Poll of the Day > The Sandy Hook Promise "Back to School Essentials"

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whoever made that should be ashamed
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I_Always_Die posted...

whoever made that should be ashamed

it was made by I think friends and family of those who lost kids at the Sandy Hook shooting

why should they be ashamed? someone else, over on CE called it "tasteless and tacky"

I don't get it. this was a very powerful ad. I think you are missing the message. or you are an NRA fan or something.

That's was a disgusting video and the creators should ashamed.

How about we focus on why a child feels the need to use any type of violence on other child as a solution to a problem instead of blaming guns?
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this video is so toxic
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SunWuKung420 posted...

That's was a disgusting video and the creators should ashamed.

How about we focus on why a child feels the need to use any type of violence on other child as a solution to a problem instead of blaming guns?

the problem is both guns and mental health issues. the ad didn't even specifically attack guns. you are being pretty defensive about this

and again like I said to the other person, the people who made this lost or know those who lost children at sandy hook.

That was strange.

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SolidDBZ posted...

That was strange.

we livei n strange times

wow.
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Zikten posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

That's was a disgusting video and the creators should ashamed.

How about we focus on why a child feels the need to use any type of violence on other child as a solution to a problem instead of blaming guns?

the problem is both guns and mental health issues. the ad didn't even specifically attack guns. you are being pretty defensive about this

and again like I said to the other person, the people who made this lost or know those who lost children at sandy hook.

The ad did nothing to address the mental health issue and guns aren't the issue. You can replace gun with hammer and you'd still have the same problem of using violence as a problem solving tool. The culture of violence is the issue, not the tools.
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Zikten posted...

SolidDBZ posted...

That was strange.

we livei n strange times

Fucking deep bro

Damn, people butthurt over the reality of school shootings becoming more common.
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As unpleasant as that video is, the fact that were actually having these school shootings is worse

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The ending was sad. I say we do something and stop these school shootings.
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Cacciato posted...

Zikten posted...

SolidDBZ posted...

That was strange.

we livei n strange times

Fucking deep bro

i laughed
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kind9 posted...

The ending was sad. I say we do something and stop these school shootings.

We already made it easier to get guns than healthcare, what else can we do?

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Jen0125 posted...

Damn, people butthurt over the reality of school shootings becoming more common.

It's more disturbing that someone made an ad designed to terrify parents and children about going back to school.

If you don't want more school shootings, don't focus on the shootings, you focus on the events that lead to the shooting.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Damn, people butthurt over the reality of school shootings becoming more common.

It's more disturbing that someone made an ad designed to terrify parents and children about going back to school.

If you don't want more school shootings, don't focus on the shootings, you focus on the events that lead to the shooting.

Did this sound like some intellectually astounding post in your mind?

The problem isnt guns, its mental illness!

Ok so maybe people should have universal healthcare so that everyone can get treatment for mental health?

No!

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I mean, the POINT of this video is to be horrible and make people feel uncomfortable. Because people in general are far too comfortable with school shootings. It's happened so many times that it barely matters to anyone that wasn't directly impacted.

If you think that's uncomfortable, imagine living through it.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

How about we focus on why a child feels the need to use any type of violence on other child as a solution to a problem instead of blaming guns?

SunWuKung420 posted...

It's more disturbing that someone made an ad designed to terrify parents and children about going back to school.

If you don't want more school shootings, don't focus on the shootings, you focus on the events that lead to the shooting.

It's not about blaming guns at all. It's about knowing the signs that show a child may be thinking of harming themselves or others so that these sort of events might be stopped before they happen. So that the child can be helped before they reach that point of doing something awful.

You don't even have to go to their website to know what they're about. Just watching the video to the end. "School shootings are preventable when you know the signs."
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Why does sunny even post here

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SunWuKung420 posted...

The ad did nothing to address the mental health issue and guns aren't the issue. You can replace gun with hammer and you'd still have the same problem of using violence as a problem solving tool.

Guns are absolutely the issue. You think a 20 year old could kill six adults and 20 children with a hammer?

Hell, the day after the Sandy Hook shooting there was a similar incident at a primary school in China, except due to lack of guns the guy was armed with a knife instead and went on a stabbing spree. Know how many people he killed?

Zero. He killed zero people. He attacked and wounded children and adults before he was finally subdued, but all of them survived.

There's a reason why the US, which has ~1/20th of the world's population, accounts for over a third of its mass shootings.
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darkknight109 posted...

Guns are absolutely the issue. You think a 20 year old could kill six adults and 20 children with a hammer?

Hell, the day after the Sandy Hook shooting there was a similar incident at a primary school in China, except due to lack of guns the guy was armed with a knife instead and went on a stabbing spree. Know how many people he killed?

Zero. He killed zero people. He attacked and wounded children and adults before he was finally subdued, but all of them survived.

There's a reason why the US, which has ~1/20th of the world's population, accounts for over a third of its mass shootings.

Can't wait for @SunWuKung420 's pseudo-intellectual rebuttal to this

SunWuKung420 posted...

That's was a disgusting video and the creators should ashamed.

How about we focus on why a child feels the need to use any type of violence on other child as a solution to a problem instead of blaming guns?

Did you watch the video?

At the end it says "School shootings are preventable when you know the signs", meaning you can look for language and patterns of behavior in people who may potentially become a threat. No where in the video do they blame guns. Pretty much the opposite of what you're saying.
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Moonjay posted...

the POINT of this video is to be horrible and make people feel uncomfortable.

Mead posted...

The problem isnt guns, its mental illness!

Ok so maybe people should have universal healthcare so that everyone can get treatment for mental health?

No!

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I like it better when it's taken as a dark joke cause a kid from a sitcom is in it. Otherwise, it just goes kinda far.

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I think of it this way, this is basically as effective as another school shooting in disturbing us just a little further to the point of doing something about it.

This video is like -1 school shooting.

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Missing the prologue where kids bully each other relentlessly.

dedbus posted...

Missing the prologue where kids bully each other relentlessly.

And the school's administration did nothing to stop it.
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*readies popcorn *
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That's some pitch black comedy with a powerful message.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

The ad did nothing to address the mental health issue and guns aren't the issue. You can replace gun with hammer and you'd still have the same problem of using violence as a problem solving tool. The culture of violence is the issue, not the tools.

Easy access to weapons of such easy destruction definitely does not help. I am also drawing a complete blank on the last time a school kid attacked their school with a weapon here in this country. Definitely not with guns, but also not with a hammer.

Edit: That commercial is so dark... But uhm, was I alone in expecting a new message sound after the fade to black followed by a gun shot?
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

The ad did nothing to address the mental health issue and guns aren't the issue. You can replace gun with hammer and you'd still have the same problem of using violence as a problem solving tool. The culture of violence is the issue, not the tools.

Easy access to weapons of such easy destruction definitely does not help. I am also drawing a complete blank on the last time a school kid attacked their school with a weapon here in this country. Definitely not with guns, but also not with a hammer.

America has a culture of violence starting at the top with warmongering and profiteering. It's easy to blame a tool when you can't accept that our society is to blame for the increased violence. Streaming for more gun control is like asking for a bandaid when you actually need brand new organs.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

America has a culture of violence starting at the top with warmongering and profiteering. It's easy to blame a tool when you can't accept that our society is to blame for the increased violence. Streaming for more gun control is like asking for a bandaid when you actually need brand new organs.

I am not just blaming the tool, I just mean that the fantasy becomes more tangible, with a weapon that is easier to do greater damage with and is more feared. Especially when that weapon is relatively easy to acquire.

Terror with a gun is just simpler. And that is me putting more blame on the human psyche, not just guns.
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I don't see where this ad is blaming guns at all. It's just talking about the reality of school shootings occurring.
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I was expecting that to end in a sales pitch for a back to school sale at Walmart.

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Mad_Max posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

That's was a disgusting video and the creators should ashamed.

How about we focus on why a child feels the need to use any type of violence on other child as a solution to a problem instead of blaming guns?

Did you watch the video?

At the end it says "School shootings are preventable when you know the signs", meaning you can look for language and patterns of behavior in people who may potentially become a threat. No where in the video do they blame guns. Pretty much the opposite of what you're saying.

@SunWuKung420
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@Mad_Max

If they really wanted to make a video properly addressing violence in schools, they should have made a video explaining how bullying and ostracizing others creates the mentally that only by resorting to violence can they get respect with friendship and understanding being the best prevention.

Instead, it's a video about how terrifying an unhinged shooter is without actually providing any sort of solution. "Know the signs" is something the school administrators and parents need to know on both sides, the bullied and the bullies. The kids need to be taught to get along.
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What the actual ....

This will probably just fuel more shooting when the nut ball kids see it.

Well, the Sandy Hook shooting was perpetrated by a 20 year old man who hadn't gone to that school since 5h grade. He didn't seem to be targeting anyone specific and his motive remains a mystery. School bullying is a huge problem but it's not the only reason.
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Moonjay posted...

Well, the Sandy Hook shooting was perpetrated by a 20 year old man who hadn't gone to that school since 5h grade. He didn't seem to be targeting anyone specific and his motive remains a mystery. School bullying is a huge problem but it's not the only reason.

But many other school shootings were done by students.
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Yeah, but this video was made by Sandy Hook people.
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that was pretty disturbing, but I guess that was the point; they're trying to get people to be more likely to anticipate and hopefully prevent them. pretty depressing though.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

@Mad_Max

If they really wanted to make a video properly addressing violence in schools, they should have made a video explaining how bullying and ostracizing others creates the mentally that only by resorting to violence can they get respect with friendship and understanding being the best prevention.

Instead, it's a video about how terrifying an unhinged shooter is without actually providing any sort of solution. "Know the signs" is something the school administrators and parents need to know on both sides, the bullied and the bullies. The kids need to be taught to get along.

OK, but that's not how you started out making your case in this topic. Your initial post comes across like you hadn't bothered to watch the thing. Everything you said about it was off.
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Good ad. Makes people feel uncomfortable, which is the point.

Parents need to pay more attention to their kids.
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TomNook posted...

Good ad. Makes people feel uncomfortable, which is the point.

Parents need to pay more attention to their kids.

And punish the shit out of them so they stop stepping out of line, the little snots.
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darkknight109 posted...

Guns are absolutely the issue. You think a 20 year old could kill six adults and 20 children with a hammer?

Yes. Like, easily.

There was a guy who went on a stabbing spree on London Bridge outside Parliament, he got a load of people in a high security public space.
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my daughter is about to be 2, and i'm honestly scared as hell about dealing with her going to school. i know the chances of her actually being part of a school shooting are minuscule, but it's still nerve-racking. that video was brilliant, but also flipped my anxiety to 10 just now. i hate this shit so much.
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