Poll of the Day > Greta Thunberg warns world leaders that, we will not let you get away with this

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She knows, this is from the same speech to the UN today:

The popular idea of cutting our emissions in half in 10 years only gives us a 50% chance of staying below 1.5C degrees, and the risk of setting off irreversible chain reactions beyond human control.
Maybe 50% is acceptable to you. But those numbers dont include tipping points, most feedback loops, additional warming hidden by toxic air pollution or the aspects of justice and equity. They also rely on my and my childrens generation sucking hundreds of billions of tonnes of your CO2 out of the air with technologies that barely exist. So a 50% risk is simply not acceptable to us we who have to live with the consequences.
To have a 67% chance of staying below a 1.5C global temperature rise the best odds given by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change the world had 420 gigatonnes of carbon dioxide left to emit back on 1 January 2018. Today that figure is already down to less than 350 gigatonnes. How dare you pretend that this can be solved with business-as-usual and some technical solutions. With todays emissions levels, that remaining CO2 budget will be entirely gone in less than eight and a half years.
There will not be any solutions or plans presented in line with these figures today. Because these numbers are too uncomfortable. And you are still not mature enough to tell it like it is.
You are failing us. But the young people are starting to understand your betrayal. The eyes of all future generations are upon you. And if you choose to fail us I say we will never forgive you. We will not let you get away with this. Right here, right now is where we draw the line. The world is waking up. And change is coming, whether you like it or not.

If you want to read more about tipping points and the problems with hitting 1.5C/2C etc, this is a link to the Hothouse Earth paper from last year that's been the backbone of a lot of the recent push for more aggressive climate policy
https://www.pnas.org/content/115/33/8252
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Justice and equity?
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meh, I will probably be dead before anything too bad happens and I can not care less what future generations think of me.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

young people

I thought someone relevant in power was saying this and I was kind of happy. She's like 16 or something.

Gotta wait for that brain to age like a fine cheese before you get to be in power. Then you get to be smart. New information just bounces off your brain like the piece of refined steel it is at that point.

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I do my part by walking more places.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

I do my part by walking more places.

That has no effect, sadly.

The vast majority of emissions came from corporations.

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what is she gonna do, summon captain planet?

you need five people for that
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ninja_lootz posted...

Justice and equity?

Poor people and minorities tend to live in areas that are more polluted despite not creating much of that pollution, proportionally while the reverse is true. Or something like that. Maybe.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

I do my part by walking more places.

Least ya try.
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When you strip away the Judeo-Christian lens of subduing the planet , maybe you come to realize that our species is kind of like a cancer on the body that is . IDK, maybe Im being pessimistic.
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jramirez23 posted...

When you strip away the Judeo-Christian lens of subduing the planet , maybe you come to realize that our species is kind of like a cancer on the body that is . IDK, maybe Im being pessimistic.

Nope. We are. We're parasites an our big plan years back was fleeing to infect Mars. We could fix Earth but denials isnt just a river in Egypt.
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Fuck Earth, lets just argue about what and what isnt politically correct instead. Yknow, actual important things that really impacts our survival as a species.
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

what is she gonna do, summon captain planet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiYjTb3opAA" data-time="
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People be plotting trajectories in straight lines when our work is on a curve.
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She needs to go back to school. Oh wait, is that what they're teaching in schools these days? Maybe it's a good thing she's not in school.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

Nope. We are. We're parasites an our big plan years back was fleeing to infect Mars. We could fix Earth but denials isnt just a river in Egypt.

I've been talking about this recently.
When you break it down, agreed, we are.
Maybe this is why there is no "advanced life" by our definition in the universe because that means wiping out a planet and "advancing" far enough to do it to another planet and repeat. We're an infection on a universe and it can only hope we limit ourselves to one "body" of the universe.

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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

I do my part by walking more places.

Least ya try.

Yeah but I cancel his out by driving in circles when I dont have to

The funniest part of most of the comments in this topic is you're proving her to be correct. I can't help wondering how many of you are over 55 and under 55. The fact is the earth will survive but we most likely won't. Few people understand the gravity of this problem like this young lady does. Some of us saw this coming 50 years ago. Just because I was 15 then and she's 16 now doesn't make us wrong.

I do agree we are no better than parasites the way we've acted since the industrial revolution. Actually more like a virus.
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peanutt121 posted...

I do agree we are no better than parasites the way we've acted since the industrial revolution. Actually more like a virus.

we're mold on bread

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LeetCheet posted...

Fuck Earth, lets just argue about what and what isnt politically correct instead. Yknow, actual important things that really impacts our survival as a species.

Like republicans believing Trumps actually accomplishing (good) things, and don't care that he's a massive hypocrite (if they even realize it in the first place). He feeds on the willful ignorance.

pedro45 posted...

FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

Nope. We are. We're parasites an our big plan years back was fleeing to infect Mars. We could fix Earth but denials isnt just a river in Egypt.

I've been talking about this recently.
When you break it down, agreed, we are.
Maybe this is why there is no "advanced life" by our definition in the universe because that means wiping out a planet and "advancing" far enough to do it to another planet and repeat. We're an infection on a universe and it can only hope we limit ourselves to one "body" of the universe.

We'll probably die off in the next generation. We wanna pretend problems fix themselves but we can't stop ourselves from driving off the cliff.
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Wait, is that the little girl which the typical offended lefties attacked for being white and privileged?

I am truly enjoying lefties losing their collective minds all over the planet and eating each other.
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Cutting our emissions in half in ten years is NOT possible. There is no way whatsoever we can do that unless the population drops.

We are growing, and growing populations create more carbon emissions.

If we want to make changes, we need to target corporations, mass reproduction (lots of countries have insanely high birth rates - which is why we are emitting more and more - not capitalism), and then look at changing the average citizen.
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Cacciato posted...

Yeah but I cancel his out by driving in circles when I dont have to

You fiend!

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MaverickXeo posted...

Cutting our emissions in half in ten years is NOT possible. There is no way whatsoever we can do that unless the population drops.

Why not? Action is compounding so you have an exponential growth curve. I'm sure we'll smash it (maybe not America).
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peanutt121 posted...

The fact is the earth will survive but we most likely won't.

Not even close. Even if we turned the world in to a nuclear wasteland, we'd survive in underground bunkers. The only thing stopping us very quickly killing off our emissions is the risk to habitats of pretty animals.

If there was any danger of us actually dying, we'd terraform the planet and drop the world's temperature 2c in 10 years.

peanutt121 posted...

Few people understand the gravity of this problem like this young lady does.

The fact that a child holds enough knowledge of the issue shows the lack of information required to reach her stance.

peanutt121 posted...

Some of us saw this coming 50 years ago. Just because I was 15 then and she's 16 now doesn't make us wrong.

50 years ago you "saw" the world would be uninhabitable by 2000. The predictions are deeply misleading using vastly inadequate information to extrapolate real limits.

The reality is we are technilogically capable of terraforming and colonising Mars if we wanted to, we'd just rather take our time and enjoy our luxurious lifestyle while we wait. There's no threat to humanity, just threat to profit margins.
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It's too late Greta.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsA3PK8bQd8" data-time="
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

peanutt121 posted...

The fact is the earth will survive but we most likely won't.

Not even close. Even if we turned the world in to a nuclear wasteland, we'd survive in underground bunkers. The only thing stopping us very quickly killing off our emissions is the risk to habitats of pretty animals.

If there was any danger of us actually dying, we'd terraform the planet and drop the world's temperature 2c in 10 years.

peanutt121 posted...

Few people understand the gravity of this problem like this young lady does.

The fact that a child holds enough knowledge of the issue shows the lack of information required to reach her stance.

peanutt121 posted...

Some of us saw this coming 50 years ago. Just because I was 15 then and she's 16 now doesn't make us wrong.

50 years ago you "saw" the world would be uninhabitable by 2000. The predictions are deeply misleading using vastly inadequate information to extrapolate real limits.

The reality is we are technilogically capable of terraforming and colonising Mars if we wanted to, we'd just rather take our time and enjoy our luxurious lifestyle while we wait. There's no threat to humanity, just threat to profit margins.

Once again you show true ignorance and put words in my mouth. Nowhere did I say anything about 2000. Not one of your statements holds even a grain of "reality".
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peanutt121 posted...

Nowhere did I say anything about 2000.

People 50 years ago thought doomsday was tomorrow, people today think doomsday is tomorrow. They weren't predicting the future any more than you are, just using other people's data to make ignorant claims.

peanutt121 posted...

Not one of your statements holds even a grain of "reality".

Believe what you want, I guess.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

MaverickXeo posted...

Cutting our emissions in half in ten years is NOT possible. There is no way whatsoever we can do that unless the population drops.

Why not? Action is compounding so you have an exponential growth curve. I'm sure we'll smash it (maybe not America).

Cutting our emissions by half without worrying about growth or advancement would put us into the 1950s at best in terms of technology.
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peanutt121 posted...

Once again you show true ignorance and put words in my mouth. Nowhere did I say anything about 2000. Not one of your statements holds even a grain of "reality".

Every 10 years a bunch of leftist crazies remind us on how we're going to all be dead by the next 10 years.

Guess what? They've constantly been wrong.
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I absolutely support what she is doing and saying

But she looks like a gremlin
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It really doesn't matter to me what you idiots do because I won't be here to suffer the consequences of your ignorance.

If anyone here really believes we have terra-forming capabilities please drive off a cliff so the rest of humanity can get on with reality. We can't even slow down a tropical storm, never mind terra-form anything. Just ask Louisiana. Or Florida. Or Japan. Seriously, you just can't fix stupid.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlQbmxaZvjU" data-time="

Anon is up to something :o
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It sure seems like we are a virus, but I for one hope we can advance beyond that point.

Mr Hangman posted...

peanutt121 posted...

If anyone here really believes we have terra-forming capabilities please drive off a cliff so the rest of humanity can get on with reality.

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/images/712129main_8247975848_88635d38a1_o.jpg
https://airandspace.si.edu/webimages/highres/WEB10606-2006h.jpg

Yes, clearly the collective actions of humanity for generations have not had a significant impact on the planet.

Not sure what your point here is, that's not terra-forming that's evidence of terra-destruction
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Mr Hangman posted...

Just seems weird to me that you think it's within humanity's power to change a planet one way but not another.

I'm not saying we won't in the future but we're not even close to that level of technology, and at the rate we're going humanity will be long dead before we do. It's always easier to destroy than create.

Does anyone on this site have any reading comprehension?!?!
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peanutt121 posted...

Mr Hangman posted...

Just seems weird to me that you think it's within humanity's power to change a planet one way but not another.

I'm not saying we won't in the future but we're not even close to that level of technology, and at the rate we're going humanity will be long dead before we do. It's always easier to destroy than create.

Does anyone on this site have any reading comprehension?!?!

People read what they wanna hear.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

peanutt121 posted...

The fact is the earth will survive but we most likely won't.

Not even close. Even if we turned the world in to a nuclear wasteland, we'd survive in underground bunkers. The only thing stopping us very quickly killing off our emissions is the risk to habitats of pretty animals.

If there was any danger of us actually dying, we'd terraform the planet and drop the world's temperature 2c in 10 years.

peanutt121 posted...

Few people understand the gravity of this problem like this young lady does.

The fact that a child holds enough knowledge of the issue shows the lack of information required to reach her stance.

peanutt121 posted...

Some of us saw this coming 50 years ago. Just because I was 15 then and she's 16 now doesn't make us wrong.

50 years ago you "saw" the world would be uninhabitable by 2000. The predictions are deeply misleading using vastly inadequate information to extrapolate real limits.

The reality is we are technilogically capable of terraforming and colonising Mars if we wanted to, we'd just rather take our time and enjoy our luxurious lifestyle while we wait. There's no threat to humanity, just threat to profit margins.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/78071121/928486782

Hypothetically... If the planet does become uninhabitable 12 years from now, how are people going to be held accountable?
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Hypothetically... If the planet does become uninhabitable 12 years from now, how are people going to be held accountable?

Yaknow... I'd like just ONE billionaire/multinational to come out and say "yes, if the world ends we'll take the blame" just to make everyone feel better
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streamofthesky posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/78071121/928486782

Thanks @streamofthesky. I can see now I should have made this clown the second on my ignore list before I let him goad me into something he could mark and get me moderated. I really should know better.
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