Board 8 > Your New Jim Gordon... Jeffrey Wright

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scarletspeed7
09/23/19 5:54:06 PM
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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/batman-jeffrey-wright-talks-play-commissioner-gordon-1237376

As a massive fan of his work spanning the last fifteen years or so, I'm all on board for Wright in the Gordon role. It's a great turn away from the Oldman-style Gordon. This will be a more soft-spoken Gordon with more ferocity in the eyes, I expect. Definitely a side of Gordon I'd like to see.

This comes after Robert Pattinson was picked for the Batman role. Honestly, a really intriguing cast so far.
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Ryokles
09/23/19 5:56:10 PM
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oh nice hes a great actor

I can dig it
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Aecioo
09/23/19 6:28:34 PM
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Jeffrey Wright is awesome. So glad he's coming back as Felix in the next Bond film

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MarkS222222222222222
09/23/19 7:02:09 PM
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Terrible casting. He doesn't look anything like him
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scarletspeed7
09/23/19 7:05:35 PM
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You're right, he's not a two-dimensional drawing.
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HeroDelTiempo17
09/23/19 7:09:28 PM
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I was gonna say in before people get mad it's a black dude but alas.

I think I only know Wright from Westworld but he's pretty great in that so sounds good

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Johnbobb
09/23/19 7:10:02 PM
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well there goes my plan for a Jeffrey Wright Selina Kyle
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skullbone
09/23/19 7:12:32 PM
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I think Jeffrey Wright would have made an amazing Harvey Dent but I'll settle for Gordon.
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scarletspeed7
09/23/19 7:12:47 PM
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Give me a Thandie Newton Selina Kyle?
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scarletspeed7
09/23/19 7:13:22 PM
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skullbone posted...
I think Jeffrey Wright would have made an amazing Harvey Dent but I'll settle for Gordon.

Rumor right now is Jonah Hill is either in for that role, Riddler or Penguin. They are in talks with Matt Reeves and Jonah Hill, at least.
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skullbone
09/23/19 7:18:50 PM
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Uhh I like Jonah Hilll but those options for him suck. I guess he could play a really smarmy Riddler but there are better choices I think.

I mean say what you will about Gotham but the actor they cast for Riddler was about as close as you can get.
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scarletspeed7
09/23/19 7:19:50 PM
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And yet they tanked the character completely by season 2.

David Tennant remains the best Riddler choice though.
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MarkS222222222222222
09/23/19 7:23:07 PM
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I'm not mad that he's a black dude. He could be anyone that doesn't look like commissioner Gordon and I would be disappointed. As a fan of comic books, I would rather have movies that stay at close as possible to the source material and bring it to life rather than a director or studio's own creative take
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scarletspeed7
09/23/19 7:24:23 PM
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As someone who manages a comic book store and has read every issue of Batman for decades now, there is no consistent Gordon look outside of, well, being white. He's been bald, he's been ripped, he's been young, he's been fat, he's been old.
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skullbone
09/23/19 7:27:49 PM
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Okay yes, David Tennant Riddler would be the best option. Jonah would be a good Mad Hatter but I don't know if Mad Hatter could really carry an entire movie.

I remember thinking Heath Ledger was dumb casting too and that worked out pretty well so I guess we'll see. Matt Reeves is no Christopher Nolan
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scarletspeed7
09/23/19 7:28:54 PM
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skullbone posted...
Okay yes, David Tennant Riddler would be the best option. Jonah would be a good Mad Hatter but I don't know if Mad Hatter could really carry an entire movie.

I remember thinking Heath Ledger was dumb casting too and that worked out pretty well so I guess we'll see. Matt Reeves is no Christopher Nolan

I tend to just sit back at this point and judge casting later. Hatter would be an awesome character to bring in, honestly. You could have a very mind-trip based Batman film. I'd be all for it.
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09/23/19 7:32:15 PM
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good casting
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MarkS222222222222222
09/23/19 7:33:25 PM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
As someone who manages a comic book store and has read every issue of Batman for decades now, there is no consistent Gordon look outside of, well, being white. He's been bald, he's been ripped, he's been young, he's been fat, he's been old.


I mean sure, there are different versions throughout different comics, but there's still a general iconic look for the character. White male, strong jaw, glasses, mustache, red or gray hair, probably a trench coat
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skullbone
09/23/19 7:35:51 PM
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MarkS222222222222222 posted...
I mean sure, there are different versions throughout different comics, but there's still a general iconic look for the character. White strong jaw, glasses, mustache, red or gray hair, probably a trench coat


"I'm not mad that he's a black guy but he should be white"

uhh okay guy
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Jakyl25
09/23/19 7:36:47 PM
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What Jim Gordon looks like really is irrelevant to the character

Its not like Bruce where he kind of has to be white since he, by necessity, comes from old money and privilege
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MarkS222222222222222
09/23/19 7:37:46 PM
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skullbone posted...
MarkS222222222222222 posted...
I mean sure, there are different versions throughout different comics, but there's still a general iconic look for the character. White strong jaw, glasses, mustache, red or gray hair, probably a trench coat


"I'm not mad that he's a black guy but he should be white"

uhh okay guy


There's no contradiction in that statement.
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pjbasis
09/23/19 7:40:57 PM
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Without going into the whole racist argument, I think it's still very picky to care about the actor's skin colors.

Not looking like the character does not mean you can't bring the character to life. Nor does looking like the character exactly mean you're bringing it to life in the first place.

It's also extremely constraining when casting to have to 1:1 character design.

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scarletspeed7
09/23/19 7:44:37 PM
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There are definitely characters where race matters in comics. Magneto, Wonder Woman, Black Lightning, Iron Fist, Shang Chi, The Great Ten, certain versions of Hawkman, Black Adam... you could list them out.

But generally speaking, the supporting cast characters are pretty much blank slates.
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MarkS222222222222222
09/23/19 7:46:36 PM
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1:1 is obviously be be impossible, but I find it so much more enjoyable when the actors look and feel like real life representations of the comics.

How great was Patrick Stewart as Professor X or J. K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson.
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Jakyl25
09/23/19 7:49:50 PM
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How great was Sam Jackson as Nick Fury?
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Jakyl25
09/23/19 7:51:46 PM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
There are definitely characters where race matters in comics. Magneto, Wonder Woman, Black Lightning, Iron Fist, Shang Chi, The Great Ten, certain versions of Hawkman, Black Adam... you could list them out.

But generally speaking, the supporting cast characters are pretty much blank slates.


Speaking of Magneto, how are they planning on working around him being a Holocaust survivor but not being like 100 years old?

I know about sliding time but I dont think WWII slides like that
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scarletspeed7
09/23/19 7:52:41 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
How great was Sam Jackson as Nick Fury?

I hesitate to bring this up, but that was set up in Ultimates Vol. 1 over 15 years ago:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e8/UltimateNickFury.jpg

A better example is Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. Or Ruth Negga as Tulip O'Hare.
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scarletspeed7
09/23/19 7:53:03 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
scarletspeed7 posted...
There are definitely characters where race matters in comics. Magneto, Wonder Woman, Black Lightning, Iron Fist, Shang Chi, The Great Ten, certain versions of Hawkman, Black Adam... you could list them out.

But generally speaking, the supporting cast characters are pretty much blank slates.


Speaking of Magneto, how are they planning on working around him being a Holocaust survivor but not being like 100 years old?

I know about sliding time but I dont think WWII slides like that

I have absolutely no problem with being a mutant extending your lifespan.
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HeroDelTiempo17
09/23/19 7:54:03 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...


Its not like Bruce where he kind of has to be white since he, by necessity, comes from old money and privilege


There's probably a good take on black Bruce if you make the Waynes new money instead but it somehow hasn't been done yet so maybe I havent thought this through enough.

Also Gordon already got the perfect comic to film look with Oldman so I don't know why anyone would want to do that again but worse.

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MarkS222222222222222
09/23/19 8:00:08 PM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
How great was Sam Jackson as Nick Fury?

I hesitate to bring this up, but that was set up in Ultimates Vol. 1 over 15 years ago:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e8/UltimateNickFury.jpg

A better example is Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. Or Ruth Negga as Tulip O'Hare.


Hugh Jackman is a great example. He is a bad Wolverine. Wolverine was not a tall handsome quippy clever character. The X-Men movies were such a mess anyway that I was able to let go and let it be it's own thing, and I really enjoyed Logan, but I would have loved to have seen something closer to Claremont era Wolverine
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Jakyl25
09/23/19 8:00:54 PM
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I think you could make BATMAN have a similar origin story and be black, but at that point it wouldnt really be Bruce Wayne. Might as well have another civilian name.

Its nitpicking I know.
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Jakyl25
09/23/19 8:05:19 PM
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On a similar note, Im shocked there hasnt been a what is Superman like if Kryptonians didnt happen to resemble Caucasians story. Like Red Son but with a different skin color instead of a different landing spot.

Or maybe there has been and Ive just never heard of it
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scarletspeed7
09/23/19 8:05:57 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
On a similar note, Im shocked there hasnt been a what is Superman like if Kryptonians didnt happen to resemble Caucasians story. Like Red Son but with a different skin color instead of a different landing spot.

Or maybe there has been and Ive just never heard of it

Grant Morrison did it.
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MarkS222222222222222
09/23/19 8:09:17 PM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
scarletspeed7 posted...
There are definitely characters where race matters in comics. Magneto, Wonder Woman, Black Lightning, Iron Fist, Shang Chi, The Great Ten, certain versions of Hawkman, Black Adam... you could list them out.

But generally speaking, the supporting cast characters are pretty much blank slates.


Speaking of Magneto, how are they planning on working around him being a Holocaust survivor but not being like 100 years old?

I know about sliding time but I dont think WWII slides like that

I have absolutely no problem with being a mutant extending your lifespan.


That's the best way to do it in my mind. Or have it set a few decades in the past and have it not directly connected to the rest of the MCU
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ChaosTonyV4
09/23/19 8:10:25 PM
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Jonah Hill could be a great Arkham style Ridder. You know hes extremely smart, but hes also extremely pathetic. Even a confident/snarky Jonah Hill could pull that off.
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swordz9
09/23/19 8:16:33 PM
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Skin color shouldnt matter, but it can hurt immersion when actors dont look like the characters usually do. I mean some are so weird theyre damn near impossible to replicate in reality anyways, but people would probably find it weird if the next Superman was played by a Chinese guy
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HeroDelTiempo17
09/23/19 8:19:46 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
On a similar note, Im shocked there hasnt been a what is Superman like if Kryptonians didnt happen to resemble Caucasians story. Like Red Son but with a different skin color instead of a different landing spot.

Or maybe there has been and Ive just never heard of it


He gets elected President of the Unites States around 2008.

I'm not kidding.

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GranzonEx
09/23/19 8:25:30 PM
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I would have been fine with Ed Harris as Gordon
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5tarscream
09/23/19 8:25:44 PM
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swordz9 posted...
Skin color shouldnt matter, but it can hurt immersion when actors dont look like the characters usually do. I mean some are so weird theyre damn near impossible to replicate in reality anyways, but people would probably find it weird if the next Superman was played by a Chinese guy


Like when Scarlett Johansson got tons of heat for playing an Asian character and saying something like I hope anybody can play any character or Ed Skrein quitting Hellboy because of whitewashing. This isn't anything like those situations though. Not sure why.
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TomNook
09/23/19 8:26:00 PM
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Neither Jim Gordon nor Barbara Gordon were white in Lego Batman, so it's not like this is new for the characters.
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09/23/19 8:26:27 PM
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I haven't been paying attention to the DCEU, did they just retcon all of the previous movies with Batman in them?
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HeroDelTiempo17
09/23/19 8:41:00 PM
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Anagram posted...
I haven't been paying attention to the DCEU, did they just retcon all of the previous movies with Batman in them?


No because Birds of Prey/Suicide Squad, Aquaman, and Wonder Woman are all moving forward from being established in the Snyderverse. But I'm guessing the continuity won't really matter unless they say it does later. Welcome to Hypertime.

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scarletspeed7
09/23/19 8:43:27 PM
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https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/arrow/images/a/aa/Crisis_on_Infinite_Earths_logo.png/revision/latest?cb=20190114041338
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Snake5555555555
09/23/19 8:46:15 PM
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I was looking forward to having JK Simmons in the role but hey, this could be a great choice ultimately!

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Jakyl25
09/23/19 8:48:52 PM
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DC just cant exist in any medium without constantly rewriting their timelines I guess
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GranzonEx
09/23/19 8:54:23 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
DC just cant exist in any medium without constantly rewriting their timelines I guess

time to end Rebirth and shake things up

maybe have Chinese Batman and Native American Gordon
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scarletspeed7
09/23/19 8:59:06 PM
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There is a Chinese Batman.
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swordz9
09/23/19 9:05:51 PM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
There is a Chinese Batman.

This doesnt surprise me, but people are so used to rich & white Batman its weird when hes anything else. It would be like if Nintendo decided from the next game on Marios outfit colors are orange & black just because or Sega said from now on Sonic would be green instead of blue. It would change nothing about them or the gameplay, but people would complain because they wouldnt look like they usually do.
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GranzonEx
09/23/19 9:09:50 PM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
There is a Chinese Batman.

I forgot about this

I meant more like Bruce Wayne is Chinese
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HeroDelTiempo17
09/23/19 9:20:03 PM
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swordz9 posted...


This doesnt surprise me, but people are so used to rich & white Batman its weird when hes anything else. It would be like if Nintendo decided from the next game on Marios outfit colors are orange & black just because or Sega said from now on Sonic would be green instead of blue. It would change nothing about them or the gameplay, but people would complain because they wouldnt look like they usually do.


It's not even as extreme as those examples because superheroes have iconic imagery in their costumes that (usually) doesn't change and is immediately more recognizable than the people in the suits.

People would complain though, you're right!

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