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au_gold
10/02/19 6:21:07 AM
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Its basically a Batgirl melodrama until Barbara gets shot in the stomach and raped. Did Joker actually do that in the source material? That was pretty harsh.

And that ending. Did Joker and Batman live happily ever after or what?
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AlisLandale
10/02/19 6:25:04 AM
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He doesnt rape her in the source material, but he does take pictures of her naked, unconscious body to fuck with Gordon.

Also all that Barb stuff is exclusive to the movie. Shes a bit player in the comic. They added it so it would be long enough for a full movie.
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TheoryzC
10/02/19 6:27:04 AM
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She doesn't get raped

au_gold posted...
And that ending. Did Joker and Batman live happily ever after or what?

Grant Morrison's interpretation of that ending. Don't 100% buy it but it's interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wQ2x0OKBjU" data-time="

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CyricZ
10/02/19 6:36:08 AM
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Bruce Timm has a massive hard-on for BrucexBarbara. It was present throughout the DCAU and in this as well.

Unfortunately, The Killing Joke was a masterclass in imagery, dialogue, pacing, and timing, and throwing in a 45-minute prologue that ultimately doesn't apply to the main story is doing it a massive disservice.

Would have worked better if TKJ was presented as part of a double feature with an unrelated short Batman story.

I own it, but have no desire to watch it again. :-/
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Ic3Bullet
10/02/19 7:03:23 AM
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TheoryzC posted...
She doesn't get raped

au_gold posted...
And that ending. Did Joker and Batman live happily ever after or what?

Grant Morrison's interpretation of that ending. Don't 100% buy it but it's interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wQ2x0OKBjU" data-time="

That's an interesting interpretation, but it's a bit of a stretch. You can see them both laughing still in the next frame or two.
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au_gold
10/02/19 10:15:15 PM
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TheoryzC posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wQ2x0OKBjU" data-time="

I didnt get that from the ending. The only indication would be that Batman keeps laughing after the Joker stops, but that would just make Batman seem like a psychopath if he killed him then.

Interesting take, though.
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DrizztLink
10/02/19 10:17:07 PM
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ledbowman
10/02/19 10:22:27 PM
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soulunison2
10/02/19 10:23:11 PM
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The animated kj is straight trash
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OffTempo
10/02/19 11:38:38 PM
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The movie is textbook definition of "the book was better". Also Joker never raped Barbara in either, he did take pictures of her naked to try to make Gordon go insane.
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk
10/02/19 11:41:03 PM
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Just read the fucking comic please and ignore them movie

The movie and certain types have a circlejerk she was raped
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AmericaTheBrave
10/02/19 11:46:05 PM
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The Killing Joke was actually the first Batman comic I read.

My mom bought it for me.

I was 8.

It fucked me up.
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Zack_Attackv1
10/03/19 12:09:23 AM
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They had to fill in the time for a feature length production somehow.
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au_gold
10/04/19 5:20:23 AM
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Batgirl on Batman sexy time was kind of hot. I dont know how that played out in the comics.
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Foppe
10/04/19 5:41:28 AM
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au_gold posted...
Batgirl on Batman sexy time was kind of hot. I dont know how that played out in the comics.

It didnt exist in the comics.
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Omasitor Hain
10/04/19 5:46:44 AM
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It's basically 'fuck The Killing Joke' we gots to fill some time. Not even in a good way.
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Kami_no_Kami
10/04/19 6:54:33 AM
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au_gold posted...
TheoryzC posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wQ2x0OKBjU" data-time="

I didnt get that from the ending. The only indication would be that Batman keeps laughing after the Joker stops, but that would just make Batman seem like a psychopath if he killed him then.

Interesting take, though.


Batman and the Joker being the same (ie two people who are obsessed with and shaped by their one bad day) is kinda the point of TKJ though. Batman becoming a psychopath is a pretty fitting end.

That said, I know that Barbara being paralyzed carried over to the main Batman series and that Death in the Family happened after this story, so unless something big happened between TKJ and DitF Batman could not have killed the Joker.
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AmericaTheBrave
10/05/19 11:10:08 AM
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Kami_no_Kami posted...
au_gold posted...
TheoryzC posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wQ2x0OKBjU" data-time="

I didnt get that from the ending. The only indication would be that Batman keeps laughing after the Joker stops, but that would just make Batman seem like a psychopath if he killed him then.

Interesting take, though.


Batman and the Joker being the same (ie two people who are obsessed with and shaped by their one bad day) is kinda the point of TKJ though. Batman becoming a psychopath is a pretty fitting end.

That said, I know that Barbara being paralyzed carried over to the main Batman series and that Death in the Family happened after this story, so unless something big happened between TKJ and DitF Batman could not have killed the Joker.


TKJ was meant to be a solo, Elseworlds story. Them deciding to make it canon ruined the ambiguous ending.
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ledbowman
10/05/19 11:12:38 AM
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In my head canon TKJ takes place right before Grant Morrison's Arkham Asylum
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