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TheAnthraxBunny
10/05/19 12:00:40 AM
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ChrisTaka posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Republicans won't impeach him


Well .. yeah, if they did they wouldn't be Republicans lol

So you have to like Trump to be Republican???
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ChrisTaka
10/05/19 12:18:16 AM
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TheAnthraxBunny posted...
ChrisTaka posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Republicans won't impeach him


Well .. yeah, if they did they wouldn't be Republicans lol

So you have to like Trump to be Republican???


Kinda not really? If you are a registered Republican, you've pretty much sold your primary vote and your soul to that party. So while I'm not saying you have to like Trump to be a republican, voting to remove him from office would pretty much have to be a 180 on your political views (with few acceptions)
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GameboyTroy
10/05/19 12:40:26 AM
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What the hell are they waiting for? Impeach that guy already.
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UnfairRepresent
10/05/19 5:33:06 AM
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ChrisTaka posted...
(with few acceptions)

exceptions*
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ChrisTaka
10/05/19 12:08:02 PM
#57:


UnfairRepresent posted...
ChrisTaka posted...
(with few acceptions)

exceptions*


Oof, thanks for the correction. (Not that I can edit it anyway lol)
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Machete
10/05/19 12:13:33 PM
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CloneTheHero posted...
lol not happening. the witch hunt is designed to slander trump to try to dissuade some of his voters next election. dems are petty and treacherous


When I entered this topic, I could smell a really bad fart. I have now discovered that you are the culprit.
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10/05/19 12:19:25 PM
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LadyVyxx posted...
If going against trump and fighting for impeachment is the correct thing to do and bring justice, shouldn't the current Republican government get every right to dig into the crimes allegedly committed by Biden and his son?

What crime(s) have they allegedly committed according to Trump?
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karlpilkington4
10/05/19 12:24:54 PM
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Can someone tell me the specific impeachable thing Trump supposedly has done? I have the Ukraine transcript call he made,right in front of me. I can't see a thing wrong with it.
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CircleOfManias
10/05/19 12:26:52 PM
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CloneTheHero posted...
lol not happening. the witch hunt is designed to slander trump to try to dissuade some of his voters next election. dems are petty and treacherous


A witch hunt where several witches have already been found, and Trump is floating on a broom dropping newt eyes, frog tongues and goats' blood into a cauldron while the Senate Republicans claim he's just making soup.
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Lebronwon
10/05/19 12:29:21 PM
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If Pence can be implicated. Then no reason for the GOP to impeach him. Because then Pelosi would become president. There are benefits to have a GOP president like picking the Supreme Court judges if one dies/retires.
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karlpilkington4
10/05/19 12:30:42 PM
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CircleOfManias posted...
CloneTheHero posted...
lol not happening. the witch hunt is designed to slander trump to try to dissuade some of his voters next election. dems are petty and treacherous


A witch hunt where several witches have already been found, and Trump is floating on a broom dropping newt eyes and frog tongues into a cauldron while the Senate Republicans claim he's just making soup.


Imagine thinking any of this is remotely true.
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Machete
10/05/19 12:32:42 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
Can someone tell me the specific impeachable thing Trump supposedly has done? I have the Ukraine transcript call he made,right in front of me. I can't see a thing wrong with it.


Lmao this is like saying "Can someone tell me the specific criminal act I've committed? I have the gun that I just shot and killed several innocent people with,right in front of me. I can't see a thing wrong with it."
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UnfairRepresent
10/05/19 12:35:20 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
Can someone tell me the specific impeachable thing Trump supposedly has done? I have the Ukraine transcript call he made,right in front of me. I can't see a thing wrong with it.

Treason

Holding money that the other branches of government have gathered and declares as military aid for Ukraine as bribery leverage to get them to manufacture dirt in political rivals

Abusing the power of the office of the president for personal gain against the interests of the American people.

Then arguably worse ,he tried to cover it up and hide facts/details so it could never get out.

There is also big issues such as Rudy Giuliani being used as a representative in international politics when he is not part of the US government

And the fact the Whistleblower complaint was taken to Barr.. even though hes named as a player in the scandal and as such has a huge conflict of interest overseeing it, especially before information reached the public
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karlpilkington4
10/05/19 12:41:55 PM
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Machete posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Can someone tell me the specific impeachable thing Trump supposedly has done? I have the Ukraine transcript call he made,right in front of me. I can't see a thing wrong with it.


Lmao this is like saying "Can someone tell me the specific criminal act I've committed? I have the gun that I just shot and killed several innocent people with,right in front of me. I can't see a thing wrong with it."


Is this a joke post bud? Honest question.
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UnfairRepresent
10/05/19 12:44:00 PM
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Why dud you ignore the serious reply to comment on the stupid one...
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karlpilkington4
10/05/19 12:45:05 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Can someone tell me the specific impeachable thing Trump supposedly has done? I have the Ukraine transcript call he made,right in front of me. I can't see a thing wrong with it.

Treason

Holding money that the other branches of government have gathered and declares as military aid for Ukraine as bribery leverage to get them to manufacture dirt in political rivals



Lets go over each point one by one.

1) Is the president allowed to hold money?
2) If he did, is it proven that he did it to bribe Ukraine? If so, where is this evidence? I'm not looking for conjecture, but actual proof.
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ChrisTaka
10/05/19 12:45:18 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Why dud you ignore the serious reply to comment on the stupid one...

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karlpilkington4
10/05/19 12:45:49 PM
#70:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Why dud you ignore the serious reply to comment on the stupid one...


I didn't, I don't have super human typing skills.
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karlpilkington4
10/05/19 12:48:31 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
https://images.app.goo.gl/EdRHSYvCCjRRTwjp8


Imagine thinking that proof doesn't matter in a criminal/impeachment proceeding. It doesn't work that way in the real work, bud.
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UnfairRepresent
10/05/19 12:50:16 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
1) Is the president allowed to hold money?


In the same sense you're allowed to hold a gun.

But intentionally ignoring all context to ignore the crime is insanity

Epstein is allowed to be in a room with children.

It's the rape that is the problem

2) If he did, is it proven that he did it to bribe Ukraine? If so, where is this evidence? I'm not looking for conjecture, but actual proof.


In a colloquial sense the complaint and transcripts of this and several other phone calls are proof.

In a legal sense there will be no 'proof' until he us impeached or arrested after a trial. As such all evidence of any case ever is hearsay and conjecture before a trial.

So it's a silly question
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Machete
10/05/19 12:51:30 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
Machete posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Can someone tell me the specific impeachable thing Trump supposedly has done? I have the Ukraine transcript call he made,right in front of me. I can't see a thing wrong with it.


Lmao this is like saying "Can someone tell me the specific criminal act I've committed? I have the gun that I just shot and killed several innocent people with,right in front of me. I can't see a thing wrong with it."


Is this a joke post bud? Honest question.


I'm not going to answer it until after you've given UnfairRepresent an answer that he finds acceptable.
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karlpilkington4
10/05/19 1:56:21 PM
#75:


Machete posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Machete posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Can someone tell me the specific impeachable thing Trump supposedly has done? I have the Ukraine transcript call he made,right in front of me. I can't see a thing wrong with it.


Lmao this is like saying "Can someone tell me the specific criminal act I've committed? I have the gun that I just shot and killed several innocent people with,right in front of me. I can't see a thing wrong with it."


Is this a joke post bud? Honest question.


I'm not going to answer it until after you've given UnfairRepresent an answer that he finds acceptable.


UR and I are having a discussion. He didn't even ask me a question. Not sure what motive you have in this topic, but it will be someone else's responsibility to figure it out.
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karlpilkington4
10/05/19 2:03:18 PM
#76:


UnfairRepresent posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
1) Is the president allowed to hold money?


In the same sense you're allowed to hold a gun.

But intentionally ignoring all context to ignore the crime is insanity

Epstein is allowed to be in a room with children.

It's the rape that is the problem

2) If he did, is it proven that he did it to bribe Ukraine? If so, where is this evidence? I'm not looking for conjecture, but actual proof.


In a colloquial sense the complaint and transcripts of this and several other phone calls are proof.

In a legal sense there will be no 'proof' until he us impeached or arrested after a trial. As such all evidence of any case ever is hearsay and conjecture before a trial.

So it's a silly question


What complaint and what transcripts? What are these other calls of treasonous behavior, and who has heard them? I've read the transcripts to the call to the Ukrainian President, and I didn't see any sort of illegal or nefarious activity anywhere in them. So can you point out specifics in these or other transcripts? A random "whistleblower" saying things, isnt proof in and of itself. He needs to back it with hard evidence

There is proof in many different criminal cases, before it goes to court. If a guy robs a store, there is evidence of him on camera. If someone attacks someone, there is DNA evidence, or witnesses. All of this evidence is shown either on the news or in reports. It's not a silly question at all.
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bover_87
10/05/19 2:08:48 PM
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imagine responding to karl/funbazooka

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ChrisTaka
10/05/19 2:16:21 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
What complaint and what transcripts?


Big oof
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karlpilkington4
10/05/19 2:23:28 PM
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ChrisTaka posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
What complaint and what transcripts?


Big oof


I'm asking for specifics. Try to keep up. I have transcripts right in front of me with the President and the Ukrainian President. Literally nothing out of the ordinary.
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paerarru
10/05/19 2:26:01 PM
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Who the fuck cares. Stop paying any more attention to this stupid clown.
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ChrisTaka
10/05/19 2:37:29 PM
#82:


karlpilkington4 posted...
ChrisTaka posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
What complaint and what transcripts?


Big oof


I'm asking for specifics. Try to keep up. I have transcripts right in front of me with the President and the Ukrainian President. Literally nothing out of the ordinary.


Oh believe me, I'm keeping up with all of this lol
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karlpilkington4
10/05/19 2:51:42 PM
#83:


ChrisTaka posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
ChrisTaka posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
What complaint and what transcripts?


Big oof


I'm asking for specifics. Try to keep up. I have transcripts right in front of me with the President and the Ukrainian President. Literally nothing out of the ordinary.


Oh believe me, I'm keeping up with all of this lol


You're free to provide the exact specifics in whatever transcript you want, that shows Trump selling secrets, illegal collaboration, etc.

We'll wait.
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UnfairRepresent
10/05/19 3:08:22 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...

What complaint and what transcripts? What are these other calls of treasonous behavior, and who has heard them? I've read the transcripts to the call to the Ukrainian President, and I didn't see any sort of illegal or nefarious activity anywhere in them.A random "whistleblower" saying things, isnt proof He needs to back it with hard evidence


But... His/her claims have been backed with hard evidence O_o

The transcript of the call backs what the Whistleblower said and Rudy Giuliani has backed up a lot of other shit too.

Really the only thing that hasn't been coroberated is there is a lot of "People in the Administration/intelligence commity keep being told to do to dumb/illegal things." and that's the small fry.

Also keep in mind the full whistleblower complaint has not been released, only part of it and that's the part which deals with the Ukraine phone call.

Giuliani has admitted publically that he asked Ukraine to look into digging up dirt on Joe Biden and his son for months. Between May and August. This was before and then after Trump froze the military aid.

Trump also freezing the military aid is not in dispute. And he has never expressed a valid reason for doing so. Which is a big deal you ignore.
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This is a big problem because Giuliani is not part of the US government so he should not be involved in foreign policy and this investigation did not go through the correct channels. It's shady illegal shit before you even get to the phone call.

Then we get to the phone call. Trump brings up the frozen military aid funds, then asks the president for a "favor" he then tells the president to talk to Giuliani and Barr and to find evidence that Biden stopped the investigation and/or was corrupt.
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The US president cannot do that. Even before you get to the money freezing, you cannot get foreign powers to dig dirt on your rivals for you. And then the threatening/bribing money part of it just makes it worse.

And for the record, this was released in public before any of the whisteblower allegations were made public and the transcript matched the allegations. That's the "proof" in laymans terms.

Then things get more serious as Trump tried to hide the call and cover up his wrongdoings
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And then there is the undisputed fact that when the complaint came through, it was taken to Barr, despite him being one of the players mentioned in the complaint. There's no way to just ignore that as not a conflict of interest.

You can't just ignore all of this, keep ignoring evidence and facts and go 'Well hearsay and I don't see what he did that's illegal' you reach a point where you're just being dishonest

There is proof in many different criminal cases, before it goes to court. If a guy robs a store, there is evidence of him on camera. If someone attacks someone, there is DNA evidence, or witnesses. All of this evidence is shown either on the news or in reports. It's not a silly question at all.


That camera evidence is hearsay and conjecture and the DNA evidence is circumstantial.

Just for the record do you know that? Hearsay, conjecture and circumstancial in the legal sense do not mean 'Weak'

Hearsay just means evidence obtained outside of court.

None of that evidence would be considered proof until after the trial was over.

I bring this up because when you and other people call the whistleblowing hearsay I don't think you realize that it isn't the defense you think it is. A recording of Trump on the phone during the call would also be hearsay.
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ChrisTaka
10/05/19 3:09:18 PM
#85:


karlpilkington4 posted...
ChrisTaka posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
ChrisTaka posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
What complaint and what transcripts?


Big oof


I'm asking for specifics. Try to keep up. I have transcripts right in front of me with the President and the Ukrainian President. Literally nothing out of the ordinary.


Oh believe me, I'm keeping up with all of this lol


You're free to provide the exact specifics in whatever transcript you want, that shows Trump selling secrets, illegal collaboration, etc.

We'll wait.


Unfair pretty much said everything already
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IllegalAlien
10/05/19 3:11:12 PM
#86:


No point in posting facts, since Trump supporters are not arguing in good faith.
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karlpilkington4
10/05/19 3:13:56 PM
#87:


ChrisTaka posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
ChrisTaka posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
ChrisTaka posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
What complaint and what transcripts?


Big oof


I'm asking for specifics. Try to keep up. I have transcripts right in front of me with the President and the Ukrainian President. Literally nothing out of the ordinary.


Oh believe me, I'm keeping up with all of this lol


You're free to provide the exact specifics in whatever transcript you want, that shows Trump selling secrets, illegal collaboration, etc.

We'll wait.


Unfair pretty much said everything already


LMAO, we all know you weren't gonna post ANYTHING anyways.
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karlpilkington4
10/05/19 3:16:39 PM
#88:


UR I appreciate your willingness to have an honest dialogue. I will respond to your post in a few hours.
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ChrisTaka
10/05/19 3:16:55 PM
#89:


karlpilkington4 posted...
ChrisTaka posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
ChrisTaka posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
ChrisTaka posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
What complaint and what transcripts?


Big oof


I'm asking for specifics. Try to keep up. I have transcripts right in front of me with the President and the Ukrainian President. Literally nothing out of the ordinary.


Oh believe me, I'm keeping up with all of this lol


You're free to provide the exact specifics in whatever transcript you want, that shows Trump selling secrets, illegal collaboration, etc.

We'll wait.


Unfair pretty much said everything already


LMAO, we all know you weren't gonna post ANYTHING anyways.


Well, yeah
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Banjo2553
10/05/19 3:29:15 PM
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Tired-Insomniac posted...
UltraDeku posted...
I don't get it. What's the point of impeaching Trump, isn't his term almost over?


It sends a message that abusing your power as president is a no no.

This.

Also a lot of people seem to misunderstand the impeachment process. It's doubtful that he's gonna be kicked out of office before his term is up, the process is extremely long and convoluted. Some people seem to think being impeached means you're immediately out and...that's not so easy.
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Bishop9800
10/05/19 3:29:29 PM
#91:


karlpilkington4 posted...
UR I appreciate your willingness to have an honest dialogue. I will respond to your post in a few hours.


You need a few hours to respond?

Whatever. We all know you won't.
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karlpilkington4
10/05/19 5:15:55 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...

What complaint and what transcripts? What are these other calls of treasonous behavior, and who has heard them? I've read the transcripts to the call to the Ukrainian President, and I didn't see any sort of illegal or nefarious activity anywhere in them.A random "whistleblower" saying things, isnt proof He needs to back it with hard evidence


But... His/her claims have been backed with hard evidence O_o

The transcript of the call backs what the Whistleblower said and Rudy Giuliani has backed up a lot of other shit too.

Really the only thing that hasn't been coroberated is there is a lot of "People in the Administration/intelligence commity keep being told to do to dumb/illegal things." and that's the small fry.

Also keep in mind the full whistleblower complaint has not been released, only part of it and that's the part which deals with the Ukraine phone call.

Giuliani has admitted publically that he asked Ukraine to look into digging up dirt on Joe Biden and his son for months. Between May and August. This was before and then after Trump froze the military aid.

Trump also freezing the military aid is not in dispute. And he has never expressed a valid reason for doing so. Which is a big deal you ignore.

This is a big problem because Giuliani is not part of the US government so he should not be involved in foreign policy and this investigation did not go through the correct channels. It's shady illegal shit before you even get to the phone call.



If Ukraine possesses evidence or can obtain evidence that Biden used tax money that benefited his family, then the President has every right to investigate.

Second, it's not illegal for Giuliani to talk with Ukrainian officials. You said:

it's shady illegal s***


What statute is that exactly?

We also have Kurt Volker (Ambassador) saying that there was not a deal made about Biden while Giuilani was there -

The former US envoy to Ukraine told lawmakers during his closed-door testimony Thursday how Rudy Giuliani, President Trumps personal attorney, pressed for a probe into the Ukrainian gas company that hired Joe Bidens son but knew of no quid pro quo, according to a copy of his statement.

As you will see from the extensive text messages I am providing, which convey a sense of real-time dialogue with several different actors, Vice President Biden was never a topic of discussion, Volker told the lawmakers.

You keep bringing up the military aid funds, here is the Ukranian presidents own words on it-

It is impossible to put pressure on me, he told reporters Tuesday. Many people try to influence me, he said, but I am the president of independent Ukraine.

Also-

One senior administration official said Monday that Trumps decision to hold back the funds was based on his concerns about there being a lot of corruption in Ukraine


Why is that not a valid reason? Because it doesn't fit your narrative?
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karlpilkington4
10/05/19 5:16:58 PM
#94:


shockthemonkey posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
UR I appreciate your willingness to have an honest dialogue. I will respond to your post in a few hours.


You need a few hours to respond?

Whatever. We all know you won't.

Its all part of the sea lion act.

Ah yes, reasonable evidence that I will surely consider before future posting.
*immediately shitposts again*


You were saying?
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karlpilkington4
10/05/19 5:19:38 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Repeating White House talking points that have been refuted is shitposting


Not only did I not do that, your definition of shitposting isn't even in the same hemisphere to what shitposting actually is.

But keep backpeddling, its fun to see.
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sondast
10/05/19 5:26:38 PM
#97:


Questionmarktarius posted...
I don't see this playing out much differently than Clinton's impeachment.

People said the Mueller investigation was a "nothing burger", but look at how many swamp creatures that one investigation caught.
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UnfairRepresent
10/05/19 5:31:44 PM
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sondast posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
I don't see this playing out much differently than Clinton's impeachment.

People said the Mueller investigation was a "nothing burger", but look at how many swamp creatures that one investigation caught.

What's weird about that is that Mueller found that the allegations were True but since Trump never asked for it he never broke the law.

Then Trump goes and directly asks for it..... wut
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StucklnMyPants
10/05/19 5:46:06 PM
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sondast posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
I don't see this playing out much differently than Clinton's impeachment.

People said the Mueller investigation was a "nothing burger", but look at how many swamp creatures that one investigation caught.

And it missed the biggest one. Manafort is really the only one that has had actual consequences so far. Considering we were told for 2 years that there was undeniable evidence of crimes and collusion, it's hard to take any new claims seriously that purport Trump is going down This Time .

To me, Democrats have yet to make an actual case for impeachment; they're really going to need something more substantial to convince people (other than their hardcore base) that it's a good idea to pursue impeachment when it'll just get voted down in the Senate. And I'm not entirely convinced that all this is just for blustering and theater for the upcoming election, and they really don't have the intent to pursue impeachment.
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ChrisTaka
10/05/19 5:57:42 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
sondast posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
I don't see this playing out much differently than Clinton's impeachment.

People said the Mueller investigation was a "nothing burger", but look at how many swamp creatures that one investigation caught.

What's weird about that is that Mueller found that the allegations were True but since Trump never asked for it he never broke the law.

Then Trump goes and directly asks for it..... wut


Ikr lul
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UnfairRepresent
10/05/19 6:53:18 PM
#101:


StucklnMyPants posted...
To me, Democrats have yet to make an actual case for impeachment

Except the whole...president committing impeachable offenses thing...
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