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UnfairRepresent
10/08/19 3:05:51 AM
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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., defended her call for potential "prison abolition" as part of broader restructuring of the criminal justice system, in a series of tweets Monday.

"Mass incarceration is our American reality. It is a system whose logic evolved from the same lineage as Jim Crow, American apartheid, & slavery," Ocasio-Cortez wrote in reaction to a tweet from comedian Chelsea Handler. "To end it, we have to change. That means we need to have a real conversation about decarceration & prison abolition in this country."

The Democrat recalled a conversation she had with a woman who was "thrown into Rikers [Island] as a teenager" and was "put in solitary confinement for months," which she called "torture."

"The conditions were so bad, she too had drank out of toilets," Ocasio-Cortez tweeted. "A cage is a cage is a cage. And humans dont belong in them."

Later in the day, Ocasio-Cortez defended her use of the term "prison abolition," pointing to statistics that showed the U.S. "incarcerates more than anywhere in the world."

"I know the term 'prison abolition' is breaking some peoples brains. The right is already freaking out," Ocasio-Cortez tweeted to start a thread. "Yet the US incarcerates more than anywhere in the world. We have more than enough room to close many of our prisons and explore just alternatives to incarceration."

"First of all, many people in jailed or in prison dont belong there at all. Whether its punitive sentencing for marijuana possession or jailing people for their poverty & letting the rich free through systems like cash bail, we wrongly incarcerate far, far too many people.

"Secondly, our prison & jail system is so large bc we use them as de facto mental hospitals, homeless shelters, & detox centers instead of *actually* investing in... mental health, housing, edu, & rehab. If we invested meaningfully, what do you think would happen to crime?"

She continued: "Lastly, people tend to say 'what do you do with all the violent people?' as a defense for incarcerating millions. Our lawmaking process means we come to solutions together, & either way we should work to an end where our prison system is dramatically smaller than it is today."

A report published in March by the Prison Policy Initiative stated almost 2.3 million people were "held by the American justice system."


Full Article: https://www.foxnews.com/media/aoc-prison-abolition-incarceration-tweets
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pegusus123456
10/08/19 3:07:20 AM
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Yeah, I dunno why she thought "prison abolition" was the phrase to go with.
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Middle hope
10/08/19 3:21:18 AM
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The idea of prison and jail is barbaric. There should be no punishment for anyone's actions. Ban cops too. And dentists

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AnimeFan462
10/08/19 3:23:35 AM
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How to deal with criminals then?
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Shablagoo
10/08/19 3:27:47 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Yeah, I dunno why she thought "prison abolition" was the phrase to go with.


It is 100% appropriate, though.
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StucklnMyPants
10/08/19 3:30:32 AM
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AnimeFan462 posted...
How to deal with criminals then?

Wag your finger at them and give them a stern talking-to.
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konokonohamaru
10/08/19 3:38:16 AM
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AnimeFan462 posted...
How to deal with criminals then?


In socialist utopia no one will need to commit any crime
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Irony
10/08/19 3:39:25 AM
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She's destroying her career
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gmanthebest
10/08/19 3:39:32 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
pegusus123456 posted...
Yeah, I dunno why she thought "prison abolition" was the phrase to go with.


It is 100% appropriate, though.

I think "prison reform" is an infinitely better phrase
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Malfunction
10/08/19 3:40:25 AM
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The US prison system in its current form should definitely be abolished
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Heineken14
10/08/19 3:44:28 AM
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gmanthebest posted...
Shablagoo posted...
pegusus123456 posted...
Yeah, I dunno why she thought "prison abolition" was the phrase to go with.


It is 100% appropriate, though.

I think "prison reform" is an infinitely better phrase


Yeah, saying you want to abolish prison is just giving right wingers chum for their frenzied base. Nothing of what she said was unreasonable, but now you gave the right headlines for their Fake News loving base to pass around "AOC WANTS TO BAN PRISONS!" and no one reads the meat of the details.
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konokonohamaru
10/08/19 3:45:43 AM
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Heineken14 posted...
gmanthebest posted...
Shablagoo posted...
pegusus123456 posted...
Yeah, I dunno why she thought "prison abolition" was the phrase to go with.


It is 100% appropriate, though.

I think "prison reform" is an infinitely better phrase


Yeah, saying you want to abolish prison is just giving right wingers chum for their frenzied base. Nothing of what she said was unreasonable, but now you gave the right headlines for their Fake News loving base to pass around "AOC WANTS TO BAN PRISONS!" and no one reads the meat of the details.


Yeah but she used the words prison abolition herself probably exactly to generate this kind of outrage and buzz
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Rika_Furude
10/08/19 3:47:59 AM
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"Humans dont belong in cages"

I dont consider murderers and rapists to be human
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JE19426
10/08/19 3:49:33 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
"Humans dont belong in cages"

I dont consider murderers and rapists to be human


Then you are wrong.
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Irony
10/08/19 3:50:08 AM
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JE19426 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
"Humans dont belong in cages"

I dont consider murderers and rapists to be human


Then you are wrong.

Nah
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MabusIncarnate
10/08/19 3:51:41 AM
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Even hamsters will cannibalize each other if the conditions are too condensed. AOC of all people should be well familiar with hamster ethics and culture.
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Heineken14
10/08/19 3:53:40 AM
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MabusIncarnate posted...
Even hamsters will cannibalize each other if the conditions are too condensed. AOC of all people should be well familiar with hamster ethics and culture.


I'm not gonna do hamster style anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceSjbwi0S5E" data-time="

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UnfairRepresent
10/08/19 3:53:54 AM
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konokonohamaru posted...
Heineken14 posted...
gmanthebest posted...
Shablagoo posted...
pegusus123456 posted...
Yeah, I dunno why she thought "prison abolition" was the phrase to go with.


It is 100% appropriate, though.

I think "prison reform" is an infinitely better phrase


Yeah, saying you want to abolish prison is just giving right wingers chum for their frenzied base. Nothing of what she said was unreasonable, but now you gave the right headlines for their Fake News loving base to pass around "AOC WANTS TO BAN PRISONS!" and no one reads the meat of the details.


Yeah but she used the words prison abolition herself probably exactly to generate this kind of outrage and buzz

and doubled down on it
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Shablagoo
10/08/19 3:54:19 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
"Humans dont belong in cages"

I dont consider murderers and rapists to be human

Non-violent drug offenses account for the incarceration of almost half a million people.
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Rika_Furude
10/08/19 3:58:40 AM
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JE19426 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
"Humans dont belong in cages"

I dont consider murderers and rapists to be human


Then you are wrong.

I should expand on what i said. While they are technically of the human race, they have chosen to give up their place in society and forfeit all their rights including their basic human rights. This was their choice and we must respect it.
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Rika_Furude
10/08/19 3:59:35 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
"Humans dont belong in cages"

I dont consider murderers and rapists to be human

Non-violent drug offenses account for the incarceration of almost half a million people.

Sounds like a problem with the legal system, not with prison as a concept. I agree someone who does weed shouldnt go to prison
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Shablagoo
10/08/19 4:01:21 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Shablagoo posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
"Humans dont belong in cages"

I dont consider murderers and rapists to be human

Non-violent drug offenses account for the incarceration of almost half a million people.

Sounds like a problem with the legal system, not with prison as a concept. I agree someone who does weed shouldnt go to prison


I think thats all shes saying. That the current system which incentivizes mass incarceration above all else needs to be abolished. Not that we should just let murderers kill people left and right without doing anything.
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Kensaimage
10/08/19 4:01:48 AM
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Irony posted...
Nah


CE defending murderers and rapists as if they hadnt surrendered their humanity when they chose to ruin the lives of the innocent...

Just wow
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JE19426
10/08/19 4:02:58 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
While they are technically of the human race, they have chosen to give up their place in society and forfeit all their rights including their basic human rights.


Nobody can give up their basic human rights. That's what makes them basic human rights. You have them whether you want them or not.
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UnfairRepresent
10/08/19 4:19:08 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
"Humans dont belong in cages"

I dont consider murderers and rapists to be human

Non-violent drug offenses account for the incarceration of almost half a million people.

1 in 6 people in prison are in there for drug related offenses
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Rika_Furude
10/08/19 4:23:31 AM
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JE19426 posted...

Nobody can give up their basic human rights.

you can if you murder rape someone
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Kaiganeer
10/08/19 4:26:22 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
"A cage is a cage is a cage. And humans dont belong in them."
some choice individuals absolutely deserve to be locked in a cell and have the key thrown away
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Caution998
10/08/19 9:01:19 AM
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normal behavior
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Shablagoo
10/08/19 9:02:06 AM
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Caution998 posted...
normal behavior

Locking people in cages? Seek professional help.
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pls
10/08/19 9:04:44 AM
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Not locking up people who didn't commit violent or egregious crimes seems fine to me. Not sure why she chose to call it prison abolition, since having a smaller prison system is not the same as abolishing the prison system.
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Shablagoo
10/08/19 9:07:00 AM
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pls posted...
Not locking up people who didn't commit violent or egregious crimes seems fine to me. Not sure why she chose to call it prison abolition, since having a smaller prison system is not the same as abolishing the prison system.


Its kind of like how we abolished slavery but there is still slavery (due to the 13th Amendment). The system is much different even if its essentially just a smaller version of the current system.
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EndOfDiscOne
10/08/19 9:10:18 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
"I know the term 'prison abolition' is breaking some peoples brains. The right is already freaking out," Ocasio-Cortez tweeted to start a thread.

Lol and this is who people want as our future POTUS. She's the Trump of the left.
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pls
10/08/19 9:11:35 AM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
"I know the term 'prison abolition' is breaking some peoples brains. The right is already freaking out," Ocasio-Cortez tweeted to start a thread.

Lol and this is who people want as our future POTUS. She's the Trump of the left.


I mean she has some good ideas/visions for the future, but she definitely says some stupid shit sometimes. I chalk it up to inexperience and too much credence given to Marx.
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UnfairRepresent
10/08/19 9:16:14 AM
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pls posted...
EndOfDiscOne posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
"I know the term 'prison abolition' is breaking some peoples brains. The right is already freaking out," Ocasio-Cortez tweeted to start a thread.

Lol and this is who people want as our future POTUS. She's the Trump of the left.


I mean she has some good ideas/visions for the future, but she definitely says some stupid shit sometimes. I chalk it up to inexperience and too much credence given to Marx.

Tell me my man, what was the road to hell paved with again?
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WashYourHands
10/08/19 9:17:12 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
Its kind of like how we abolished slavery but there is still slavery (due to the 13th Amendment). The system is much different even if its essentially just a smaller version of the current system.
saying people who are in jail are victims of slavery is disrespectful to the actual horrible slavery victims in the worlds history

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Shablagoo
10/08/19 9:18:44 AM
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WashYourHands posted...
Shablagoo posted...
Its kind of like how we abolished slavery but there is still slavery (due to the 13th Amendment). The system is much different even if its essentially just a smaller version of the current system.
saying people who are in jail are victims of slavery is disrespectful to the actual horrible slavery victims in the worlds history


You dont even know the difference between jail and prison so maybe shhh mmk?
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DBZFlGHTEH
10/08/19 9:19:19 AM
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Middle hope posted...
The idea of prison and jail is barbaric. There should be no punishment for anyone's actions. Ban cops too. And dentists


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WashYourHands
10/08/19 9:20:39 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
You dont even know the difference between jail and prison so maybe shhh mmk?
They both involve caging people so I would think its all the same to you

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Shablagoo
10/08/19 9:25:54 AM
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WashYourHands posted...
Shablagoo posted...
You dont even know the difference between jail and prison so maybe shhh mmk?
They both involve caging people so I would think its all the same to you


They pick cotton for no pay and are forced to play prisoner games where the officers literally carry hogtied prisoners on their horses and toss them back and forth to each other.
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KillerSlaw
10/08/19 9:29:12 AM
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AnimeFan462 posted...
How to deal with criminals then?


Traffic Violations = Fines and revocation of license
Theft = Revocation of hand
Rape = Revocation of Genitals
Manslaughter = 15 lashings
Murder = Revocation of life
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MudKip_Master
10/08/19 9:30:08 AM
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They just need to end prison time for non-dealer amounts of marijuana and the prison system is basically fixed.

Dunno why she is trying to go for something so dumb as complete abolition...
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Shablagoo
10/08/19 9:30:40 AM
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lol does this mean someone ignored/blocked me?

4xtcGfT
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WashYourHands
10/08/19 9:33:33 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
They pick cotton for no pay and are forced to play prisoner games where the officers literally carry hogtied prisoners on their horses and toss them back and forth to each other.
While I agree for non violent crimes, what is wrong with violent criminals doing some manual labor?

Tossing hogtied prisoners from horse to horse? Cmon, you are going to have to source that through a respectable news source that isnt from slavery days or accept that it would make for a great scene in a movie

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Were_Wyrm
10/08/19 9:39:38 AM
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We just need to find a giant desert island with all sorts of crazy deadly animals and send all of our prisoners there.
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EndOfDiscOne
10/08/19 9:42:11 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
lol does this mean someone ignored/blocked me?

4xtcGfT


If you look at the post #s, is there a gap in the numbers?

It could also be that someone deleted their post.
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Shablagoo
10/08/19 9:43:37 AM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
Shablagoo posted...
lol does this mean someone ignored/blocked me?

4xtcGfT


If you look at the post #s, is there a gap in the numbers?

It could also be that someone deleted their post.


Yeah it skips #41. And yeah but when someone deletes their post it usually says (message deleted) or whatever.
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Vicious_Dios
10/08/19 9:52:23 AM
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The real travesty of that photo is that you don't have it set to 50 posts-per-page.
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masterpug53
10/08/19 9:57:29 AM
#49:


pegusus123456 posted...
Yeah, I dunno why she thought "prison abolition" was the phrase to go with.


I'm normally one to wince at a poorly-chosen phrase, buy hey, it got people talking about it. Probably the only sliver of a chance we have at criminal justice reform is to shove the issue in people's faces.
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EndOfDiscOne
10/08/19 9:57:50 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
EndOfDiscOne posted...
Shablagoo posted...
lol does this mean someone ignored/blocked me?

4xtcGfT


If you look at the post #s, is there a gap in the numbers?

It could also be that someone deleted their post.


Yeah it skips #41. And yeah but when someone deletes their post it usually says (message deleted) or whatever.

That would be your buddy KillerSlaw
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