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From what I understand they distill dating down to an exact science to better meet people. Is that correct?
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LightningAce11 posted...

From what I understand they distill dating down to an exact science to better meet people. Is that correct?

Yes

We dont take the human part out of it, we just take optimized pathways and higher levels of thinking

Also no routines or canned lines like many tend to think

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do you. i'm not going to wear dumb ass hats and shit to get people to talk to me, though.
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pauIie posted...

do you. i'm not going to wear dumb ass hats and shit to get people to talk to me, though.

That's early 2000s mystery method. Theres been 20 years of evolution since then. Everyone agrees that shit was dumb af

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I was down for PUA until I learned that you specifically target fragile/unstable people.
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Guide posted...

I was down for PUA until I learned that you specifically target fragile/unstable people.

Also not true lol. Being a PUA means learning how to seduce any girl you want

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They are just creeps.
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I mean, as much as you talk about it, you know that's not true. You're casting as wide a net as possible and seeing what catches look good. But a lot of what I've read and watched is about manipulating people with issues.
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Guide posted...

I mean, as much as you talk about it, you know that's not true. You're casting as wide a net as possible and seeing what catches look good.

If you just want to maximize your chances of getting laid in any single night, you can do that. But nope. Nowadays I look for the girl I find the hottest, open and direct the interaction towards seduction to the best of my abilities. I opened more girls when I was learning, but now I talk to maybe 6 girls a night that I'm most attracted to

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PUAs are tryhards who succeed only through attrition, and then believe that they have some sort of divine skill set.
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Guide posted...

But a lot of what I've read and watched is about manipulating people with issues.

Stop reading and material then. I suggest todd valentine or chase amante.

It amazes me how many misconceptions there are ITT

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Y'know, people probably wouldn't find you as creepy if they knew that. PUA stuff is pretty rife with exploiting people who could use help.
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Pepys Monster posted...

PUAs are tryhards who succeed only through attrition, and then believe that they have some sort of divine skill set.

I do have a divine skillset...my friend with worst game got paid 3000 for 3 days of teaching lol

Luckily I get paid more as an engineer

No clue what you mean by attrition or tryhard

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No_U_L7 posted...

Guide posted...

But a lot of what I've read and watched is about manipulating people with issues.

Stop reading and material then. I suggest todd valentine or chase amante.

It amazes me how many misconceptions there are ITT

Yeah, cause all the most popular examples are hella creepy. That guy with the furry fucking hat was the first to get internet popular, I recall.
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Guide posted...

Y'know, people probably wouldn't find you as creepy if they knew that. PUA stuff is pretty rife with exploiting people who could use help.

Guide posted...

Yeah, cause all the most popular examples are hella creepy. That guy with the furry fucking hat was the first to get internet popular, I recall.

Yeah, of course that's more popular because it was controversial. Real pick up is just knowing how to sub communicate value, understanding female psychology and how to build attraction via conversation

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No_U is the guy who drank his own piss to impress a girl. I certainly wouldn't take dating advice from him.
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For reference, ryan Gosling in crazy stupid love was a pick up artist. Think of something more like that than mystery method

(My game is a lot more technical and less reliant on looks)

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Tmaster148 posted...

No_U is the guy who drank his own piss to impress a girl. I certainly wouldn't take dating advice from him.

he's also a gimmick so its 99.99999% likely nothing he says is true
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If I fail at dating on my own for long enough, I'll look for more PUA stuff probably, but I'm watching Todd Valentine right now, and this is stuff for people who can't hold conversations naturally.
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P shitty people overall, definition of putting pussy on a pedestal and will sacrifice any self respect and dignity for some mediocre, sloppy drunk sex

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They are basically sociopaths, lying to and manipulating everyone they come in contact with.

The PUA title is just an attempt to make it seem not as terrible as it is.
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Tmaster148 posted...

They are just creeps.

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Guide posted...

If I fail at dating on my own for long enough, I'll look for more PUA stuff probably, but I'm watching Todd Valentine right now, and this is stuff for people who can't hold conversations naturally.

Big difference between natural conversations and man to woman conversations. Most people dont realize that, especially if they are good looking. Yeah most people can naturally fill 10 minutes of talking to a girl without it being awkward...that doesnt mean that interaction is leading towards anything romantic. Todd will show you how to make that conversation lead in a sexual direction naturally


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I don't think much about 'em. I think being a self-described PUA is sort of cringe, but I see nothing wrong with doing your research and learning what women are actually attracted to and how to get what you want out of your relationships with them. Seems better than just winging it or beating around the bush.
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Blue_Dream87 posted...

P shitty people overall, definition of putting pussy on a pedestal and will sacrifice any self respect and dignity for some mediocre, sloppy drunk sex

Lmao major misconceptions itp

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Ultima Dragon posted...

I don't think much about 'em. I think being a self-described PUA is sort of cringe, but I see nothing wrong with doing your research and learning what women are actually attracted to and how to get what you want out of your relationships with them. Seems better than just winging it or beating around the bush.

I hate the name too, but it's the one ascribed. Honestly cant think of a better descriptor. Seduction expert?

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It's not healthy. Human interaction is not a game. It's not an equation. The worst thing someone with some social disorder, like me, could do is listen to a goddamn PUA.
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hockeybub89 posted...

It's not healthy. Human interaction is not a game. It's not an equation. The worst thing some with a social disorder, like me, could do is listen to a goddamn PUA.

This I disagree with. Most anything can be streamlined for better results. Just because you figured out an interaction sequence doesn't mean the feelings involved aren't genuine.

PUA is still seeming creepy so far tho
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hockeybub89 posted...

It's not healthy. Human interaction is not a game. It's not an equation. The worst thing someone with some social disorder, like me, could do is listen to a goddamn PUA.

I dont think it's a game/equation. But it is a science. If you wanna do well in it and you cant do it naturally, your best option is to learn. As someone with social disorder, your dating options are limited. If you're fine with the limit, cool. If you want to break the limit cap, your best bet is to learn PUA

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Guide posted...

This I disagree with. Most anything can be streamlined for better results. Just because you figured out an interaction sequence doesn't mean the feelings involved aren't genuine.

PUA is still seeming creepy so far tho

I'm secure enough in myself to not think of it as creepy. Creepiness is the misalignment of thoughts words and actions. The way I explain it to girls is I was very sheltered growing up so I just went out and explored the world as much as I can and learn as much as I could. Oversimplified, but definitely true. I dont consider it creepy, I didnt have life experience, I wanted them and I went out and got them

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Guide posted...

This I disagree with. Most anything can be streamlined for better results. Just because you figured out an interaction sequence doesn't mean the feelings involved aren't genuine

These seem to be a bunch of weirdly clinical terms to describe social interaction. Exactly what I'm talking about.
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hockeybub89 posted...

These seem to be a bunch of weirdly clinical terms to describe social interaction. Exactly what I'm talking about.

Language exists to make communication more efficient. Each industry, including my engineering stuff has industry esoteric terms. Same for pick up. It is weird at first, I got used to it very quickly. I used to avoid the lingo entirely first couple years but it got too difficult

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pick up artist are just virgins who LARP

lol
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

pick up artist are just virgins who LARP

Lmao

But seriously, think ryan gosling in crazy stupid love.

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Dey bad

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hockeybub89 posted...

Guide posted...

This I disagree with. Most anything can be streamlined for better results. Just because you figured out an interaction sequence doesn't mean the feelings involved aren't genuine

These seem to be a bunch of weirdly clinical terms to describe social interaction. Exactly what I'm talking about.

Ever take a speech class? Same thing, whole sociologically-related field for it. PUA has nothing on that.
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No_U_L7 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

It's not healthy. Human interaction is not a game. It's not an equation. The worst thing someone with some social disorder, like me, could do is listen to a goddamn PUA.

I dont think it's a game/equation. But it is a science. If you wanna do well in it and you cant do it naturally, your best option is to learn. As someone with social disorder, your dating options are limited. If you're fine with the limit, cool. If you want to break the limit cap, your best bet is to learn PUA

If interaction isn't natural, then it isn't real. It's an act. That's the kind of shit sociopaths do to pretend to be normal.
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High functioning sociopaths wouldn't need to study.
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hockeybub89 posted...

If interaction isn't natural, then it isn't real. It's an act. That's the kind of shit sociopaths do to pretend to be normal.

Its not a binary thing, its not real/fake. And practice does make perfect. Let me put it this way: let's say you do a job where you have to give a lot of impromptu speeches. So you decide to take a speech class. This class teaches you how to do vocal cord exercises, project your voice, use dramatic pauses, etc. Does that make your on the job speeches any less real? No, all it does is improve the effectiveness of them

Same for pick up. I dont use routines or canned lines. But I know the best way to sub communicate value, how to properly read the girls sub communications, etc

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I do not think much about pick up artists, but I also don't understand the main criticism others have of them. No matter what endeavor you choose to pursue in life, there is bound to be an optimal way of achieving success at it. Yes, that could be seen as manipulative, but all the top performers in various competitions do focus on exploiting what's available to to them, whether it's through their own unfair talents, their opponent's ignorance, or whatever.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

I do not think much about pick up artists, but I also don't understand the main criticism others have of them. No matter what endeavor you choose to pursue in life, there is bound to be an optimal way of achieving success at it. Yes, that could be seen as manipulative, but all the top performers in various competitions do focus on exploiting what's available to to them, whether it's through their own unfair talents, their opponent's ignorance, or whatever.

Any way you slice it, dating is a competitive scene. Either you're settling for a girl as hot you or less hot than you or you need an edge to move up

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No_U_L7 posted...

But seriously, think ryan gosling in crazy stupid love.

Pick up artist: "I'm basically like Ryan Gosling"

Actual pick up artist:

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Pick up artist: "I'm basically like Ryan Gosling"

Actual pick up artist:

Lmao

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they're a bunch of pathetic assholes

DarthAragorn posted...

they're a bunch of pathetic assholes

I actually offered to help you out too and give you advice, what an asshole lol

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I could talk my way into the pants of the girlfriend of anyone on this board within 90 minutes of meeting her. Regardless of how loyal and committed you believe her to be.

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No_U_L7 posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

they're a bunch of pathetic assholes

I actually offered to help you out too and give you advice, what an asshole lol

I have no interest in advice from a guy who spends his time bullshitting about his life on gamefaqs.gamespot.com

CellBlock7 posted...

I could talk my way into the pants of the girlfriend of anyone on this board within 90 minutes of meeting her. Regardless of how loyal and committed you believe her to be.

I wonder how many people will believe that.

including you, I'd still say 0.
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One of the great things about getting old is that you don't have to give a shit about stuff like this anymore.

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