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s0nicfan posted...

Having to re-convince Finn not to bail after all his TFA character development was wiped away was bad.

To be clear, Finn's character development from TFA was just to save Rey. Which is why he left at the beginning of TLJ, to go find Rey. Wasn't until he and Rose were on Canto Bight that he actually started caring about what the Resistance was fighting for.

ThanksUglyGod posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Having to re-convince Finn not to bail after all his TFA character development was wiped away was bad.

To be clear, Finn's character development from TFA was just to save Rey. Which is why he left at the beginning of TLJ, to go find Rey. Wasn't until he and Rose were on Canto Bight that he actually started caring about what the Resistance was fighting for.

Unless we're thinking of different scenes, when he tries to use an escape hatch and Rose catches him and gets all depressed because her hero is a coward, and has no excuses to give her, I don't think he was running off "to save Rey".
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Too bad they screwed up the last jedi so bad, otherwise I might go see it in theaters

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The trailer is all over the place with no coherent story.

Fully expecting the movie to be all over the place with no coherent story.
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looks terrible

It took until they showed Chewbacca to find a single character I care about and want to know what happens to them. Pretty sad how forgettable the new guard is.

I'll see it anyway because I need to finish the Skywalker saga.
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Hairistotle posted...

did not evoke any emotions

Threepio's lines are the only thing that stir anything
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Hexenherz posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Hexenherz posted...

Why are they riding Atreyus
Why are there a million star destroyers. And why does it sound like the Emperor is he seriously still alive?

The whole problem with this new trilogy is the whole premise of the Empire 2.0 doesn't make any fucking sense at all so the fundamental story is broken, it's like they clogged the toilet and now any time they flush you just see more and more shit and it is overflowing from the shit

Before you jump to any conclusions you could wait for the movie to come out.

I saw episode 7, that was enough.

Youre complaining about the story not making sense, and you havent even seen the second part, let alone the third and final?
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I don't like the "Skywalker Saga" branding of the series. I get that Anakin and Luke (and presumably Rey) were important to the franchise, but it was never just about them. It's "Star Wars" not "This one Jedi Family"
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I just have so little faith in abrams. He has nothing to say. TLJ course corrected his last hollow nostalgia wank and it looks like he's uncorrecting it
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ledbowman posted...

I just have so little faith in abrams. He has nothing to say. TLJ course corrected his last hollow nostalgia wank and it looks like he's uncorrecting it

To be fair Disney probably made him play it extremely safe for TFA and perhaps due to the TLJ backlash they're giving him more freedom
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SSJGrimReaper posted...

Threepio's lines are the only thing that stir anything

It'd mean a lot more if he had more friends around than just R2 and Chewie.
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Meh
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I'll watch it. Only one I have skipped is the han Solo movie. I will still continue to watch. I liked episode 7 and I hope this is more like that than episode 8

I felt that Rey was a boring character in 7, and all her boring qualities were just given to everyone else in 8 while she became somewhat normal.

Rogue One is still the best modern star wars movie.
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s0nicfan posted...

ThanksUglyGod posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Having to re-convince Finn not to bail after all his TFA character development was wiped away was bad.

To be clear, Finn's character development from TFA was just to save Rey. Which is why he left at the beginning of TLJ, to go find Rey. Wasn't until he and Rose were on Canto Bight that he actually started caring about what the Resistance was fighting for.

Unless we're thinking of different scenes, when he tries to use an escape hatch and Rose catches him and gets all depressed because her hero is a coward, and has no excuses to give her, I don't think he was running off "to save Rey".

He's going to look for Rey because Poe told him she went to find Luke, but he's also a coward and doesn't want people thinking he's a deserter. So when Rose finds him sneaking off, he's understandably a bit flustered.

Mr_MacPhisto posted...

It took until they showed Chewbacca to find a single character I care about and want to know what happens to them. Pretty sad how forgettable the new guard is.

I like Finn and Poe, but they were wasted in TLJ and might as well have not even been in that movie
>_>
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ZMythos posted...

I don't like the "Skywalker Saga" branding of the series. I get that Anakin and Luke (and presumably Rey) were important to the franchise, but it was never just about them. It's "Star Wars" not "This one Jedi Family"

???? 1-9 have indeed been about them. You forgot Kylo
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Fucking lol what is with that ugly fat Asian chick they keep pushing into the series? Why not a hot Lucy Liu type?

ASithLord7 posted...

???? 1-9 have indeed been about them. You forgot Kylo

Yea but the OT was like 60-40 and the prequels were more like 65-35. The sequels are 90-10.
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This looks pretty epic, I didn't think I would be, but am hyped so far.

Rogue One -is- still the best modern star wars film, and TBH Solo wasn't that bad either (just can't not see harrison ford as the role is all, but if you get past that little bit its not half bad).
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Wow, never thought i'd be this underwhelmed by a new SW trailer.
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ledbowman posted...

I just have so little faith in abrams. He has nothing to say. TLJ course corrected his last hollow nostalgia wank and it looks like he's uncorrecting it

P much

For folks who mentioned plot leaks, I would invite you to look at the reaction to the plot leaks for Avengers Endgame

Seriously if you read the plot beats to a movie laid out point by point with little description then of course it'll sound stupid lol

Also I haven't read the leaks for RoS. Don't @ me

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Doom_Art posted...

For folks who mentioned plot leaks, I would invite you to look at the reaction to the plot leaks for Avengers Endgame

Seriously if you read the plot beats to a movie laid out point by point with little description then of course it'll sound stupid lol

Also I haven't read the leaks for RoS. Don't @ me

The leaks that I read back in August are pretty spot on with this new trailer...

Doom_Art posted...

Seriously if you read the plot beats to a movie laid out point by point with little description then of course it'll sound stupid lol

tbf Endgame was pretty fucking stupid.
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crowkillers posted...

The leaks that I read back in August are pretty spot on with this new trailer...

Sure, and the plot leaks for Endgame that I mentioned perfectly summarized the finished film

And the reaction to it was people losing their minds and freaking the hell out.

Joker was the same way

The point I was making is that 99% of the time any leaks come out for any film or franchise they'll sound bad because through a page of bullet points you don't get really any context for anything.

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As 'meh' a trailer as could possibly be, nothing unexpected throughout in the slightest. The empire is back, palpatine is back, they're going to five into reys backstory which should have been done in ep8, and more legacy characters are going to die. Becuase god forbid they have balls enough to kill off any of the newer cast.

And C3POs line about his so called 'friends' was cringe worthy. Has he gone on a single adventure with any of them or even had one conversation with them? Lmao.


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Oh boy, the leaks were right
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Kylo looking like he's ready to lose yet another fight
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This topic will be infinitely more entertaining than the movie will ever be
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Xx09x7 posted...

Looks like the lightsaber duels still aren't at the level they were at in the prequels though.

Xx09x7 posted...

The choreography in the prequels was amazing to see, and was beautifully and masterfully done.

https://imgur.com/l50sp
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kewldude475 posted...

Agreed. Doesn't look very inspired honestly. At least TLJ had a cinematic and epic feel to it. I expect this to be a fun, enjoyable movie though, but then again, my expectations for watching movies are tempered. I expect to enjoy it. Jaded people on the internet (I.E. Star Wars "fans") have the expectation of it changing their lives.

Seriously

I love the series but going back to the 70s it's never been anything more than a fun adventure story. People get disappointed in it because I think they in their minds try to make the films into something they're not supposed to be.

That's what I'm expecting is a fun, heartwarming adventure film. I'm sure I'll get a kick out of it.

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BLAKUboy posted...

https://imgur.com/l50sp

this was by far the worst and most dragged out fight in any sw movie.

The fight between Maul, Kenobi and Qui Gon was the only good one.
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kewldude475 posted...

ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

https://imgur.com/l50sp

this was by far the worst and most dragged out fight in any sw movie.

The fight between Maul, Kenobi and Qui Gon was the only good one.

Imagine being this wrong. Anakin vs Obi Wan is by far the best prequel trilogy fight. This video is all you need to watch to see why you are wrong. And it's funny as fuck too I think you'll enjoy it.

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The Obi Wan and Qui-Gonn has a lot of errors not present in later fights. It was still dope as shit though, no denying that, but your opinion is wrong.

These people only care about surface level technical shit, context and subtext don't matter. "Why he not trying to kill him. Why he take so long"
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And on the subject of Palpatine's "nerfing", it looks like he's connected to some kind of giant machine presumably keeping him alive.
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I'm sure they could have made that exact video for the fight between Obiwan and Anakin.

I'm no expert sword fighter, so I really don't give a shit about how real the technical aspect of the fighting is.

Everything else about the fight, the setting, characters, music, drama is better in the first movie.

20 minutes of fighting in an incredibly fake looking cgi lava place just didn't do it for me. It was over the top and unbelievable. Just my opinion though.
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None of the fights in the prequels were any good. I mean, the ones in the original trilogy and sequels pretty much ride entirely on "these are lightsabers, cool", and aren't very well done compared to, say, The Three Musketeers swordfights, or Adventures of Robin Hood, or Scaramouche, or kung fu movies, or...I could go on. But at least they aren't distracted by their choreography and can tell stories freely. The prequels are.

BUT. Since the characters all suck and are awful and the whole story has pretty much no redeeming features, its not like having boring old fashioned lightsaber fights would have helped it any. The flamboyant choreography is there to make up for the awful everything else.
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Are they really gonna play off Palpatine as the mastermind behind everything? Or it is just a ruse to get fat 30 year olds who remember palpatine in seats and they're actually gonna go with something much less stupid for the story?
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Maybe I just grew up in a different era, but to me a good swordfight is like in the Princess Bride or, hell, even the one in Robin Hood: Men In Tights

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmraHsb8yKk" data-time="

It's the little flourishes of the blade that make the fight interesting, not flips and spins. The tension that comes from knowing each combatant is always just beyond blade tip and one slip is death. Use of the environment or shifting forms is an added bonus.

It's sort of like with sparring: a spinning back kick is impressive, but all you have to do is step in and you've completely beaten them. My problem with a lot of the prequel fights is anyone who tried a fancy flip attack should have gone down as hard as Anakin did to a skilled opponent. It just doesn't feel real.
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s0nicfan posted...

It's the little flourishes of the blade that make the fight interesting, not flips and spins. The tension that comes from knowing each combatant is always just beyond blade time and one slip is death. Use of the environment or shifting forms is an added bonus.

It's sort of like with sparring: a spinning back kick is impressive, but all you have to do is step in and you've completely beaten them. My problem with a lot of the prequel fights is anyone who tried a fancy flip attack should have gone down as hard as Anakin did to a skilled opponent. It just doesn't feel real.

This. I know it's a fantasy series but this is why I prefer the sequel trilogy lightsaber fights. (And hell, the Luke vs. Vader one in RotJ was great too, so much emotion behind that one) They're fewer in number yet they feel more real. All those flips, twirls, and kicks that make you vulnerable just look stupid to me and that video posted above made the most famous fight of the prequels look like a joke because the choreography was awful.
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Banjo2553 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

It's the little flourishes of the blade that make the fight interesting, not flips and spins. The tension that comes from knowing each combatant is always just beyond blade time and one slip is death. Use of the environment or shifting forms is an added bonus.

It's sort of like with sparring: a spinning back kick is impressive, but all you have to do is step in and you've completely beaten them. My problem with a lot of the prequel fights is anyone who tried a fancy flip attack should have gone down as hard as Anakin did to a skilled opponent. It just doesn't feel real.

This. I know it's a fantasy series but this is why I prefer the sequel trilogy lightsaber fights. (And hell, the Luke vs. Vader one in RotJ was great too, so much emotion behind that one) They're fewer in number yet they feel more real. All those flips, twirls, and kicks that make you vulnerable just look stupid to me and that video posted above made the most famous fight of the prequels look like a joke because the choreography was awful.

Well that's another good point... part of what makes a great fight is that it's more than just 2 people fighting... often it's a clash of ideals. They're fighting through their differences while they're actively trying to kill each other. Luke vs Vader was great because the characters established their motivations, fought to defend them, and we even see Luke grow as a character over a couple of minutes and come out the other side a different person. He expresses doubt, anger, concern, desperation, resolve... all within the course of one fight. We wanted to root for Luke but at the same time Vader cast such an imposing presence that it gave real weight to the struggle and a sense of hopelessness at first.

Most of the prequel fights were just fights with nothing more to them. I think the reason people gravitate to the Anakin and Maul fights is because there was emotional conflict whereas nearly every other prequel fight was just... lifeless.
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