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St0rmFury 10/21/19 11:24:03 PM #1:	https://i.redd.it/4whjj8q040u31.jpg --- "Average Joe" is a trolling term since it's completely an opinion. "Overachieving" is also an opinion. - SBAllen (Hellhole: 52458377) <cite>St0rmFury posted [p:929076855] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>https://i.redd.it/4whjj8q040u31.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 10/21/19 11:25:26 PM #2:	Vaping is going through the same problem cigarettes did: they're being marketed to kids and paraded as "safe" when they're not, really. --- I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FUH-LAMING! - Homer Simpson Don't be a turd. - Chris Pratt <cite>HylianFox posted [p:929076907] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>Vaping is going through the same problem cigarettes did: they're being marketed to kids and paraded as "safe" when they're not, really.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
southcoast09 10/21/19 11:29:54 PM #3:	Vaping is safe. Sorry, but it is. --- #MakeFinalFantasyGreatAgain <cite>southcoast09 posted [p:929077070] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>Vaping is safe. Sorry, but it is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HydraSlayer82 10/21/19 11:36:11 PM #4:	southcoast09 posted... Vaping is safe. Sorry, but it is. Its definitely not worse than cigarettes. Theres a really good chance its a safer nicotine intake than cigarettes. Theres just not enough data yet but Id be extremely surprised if the opposite is true. --- Sigless user <cite>HydraSlayer82 posted [p:929077304] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote>Vaping is safe. Sorry, but it is.</quote> Its definitely not worse than cigarettes. Theres a really good chance its a safer nicotine intake than cigarettes. Theres just not enough data yet but Id be extremely surprised if the opposite is true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 10/21/19 11:51:42 PM #6:	southcoast09 posted... Vaping is safe. Sorry, but it is. People have died and/or suffered permanent lung damage due to vaping. Sorry, but it's not 'safe.' --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:929077829] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote>Vaping is safe. Sorry, but it is.</quote> People have died and/or suffered permanent lung damage due to vaping. Sorry, but it's not 'safe.'</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RieTakahash 10/21/19 11:53:16 PM #7:	Gobstoppers12 posted... southcoast09 posted... Vaping is safe. Sorry, but it is. People have died and/or suffered permanent lung damage due to vaping. Sorry, but it's not 'safe.' Vaping non-tested, black-market made THC cartridges that have 'filler' substances in them In almost all cases <cite>RieTakahash posted [p:929077880] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote>Vaping is safe. Sorry, but it is.</quote> People have died and/or suffered permanent lung damage due to vaping. Sorry, but it's not 'safe.'</quote> Vaping non-tested, black-market made THC cartridges that have 'filler' substances in them **In almost all cases</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 10/21/19 11:54:13 PM #9:	HydraSlayer82 posted... Its definitely not worse than cigarettes. Theres a really good chance its a safer nicotine intake than cigarettes. Theres just not enough data yet but Id be extremely surprised if the opposite is true. thats odd cause I feel the exact opposite as you. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:929077914] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>HydraSlayer82 posted... </cite> <quote>Its definitely not worse than cigarettes. Theres a really good chance its a safer nicotine intake than cigarettes. Theres just not enough data yet but Id be extremely surprised if the opposite is true.</quote> thats odd cause I feel the exact opposite as you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spanky1 10/21/19 11:54:24 PM #10:	That picture is like, I dunno, dark comedy or something. Like its something out of a satire. Like a Futurama gag. --- https://imgur.com/DCjoiZ0 https://www.deviantart.com/fuee/art/spanky1-811230163 <cite>spanky1 posted [p:929077922] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>That picture is like, I dunno, dark comedy or something. Like its something out of a satire. Like a Futurama gag.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 10/21/19 11:57:08 PM #11:	metallica846 posted... I believe that was Chinese THC vape pens recently if that's what you are talking about. pneumonia has been linked to any vaping and has been for a long time. severe pneumonia is now occurring and is surprisingly linked to vaping. whats better about vaping? Can anyone explain what cigarette do that vaping doesnt that makes vaping safer? Is it Tar? Is it the additives? can anyone bring something of substance? --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:929078033] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>metallica846 posted... </cite> <quote>I believe that was Chinese THC vape pens recently if that's what you are talking about.</quote> pneumonia has been linked to any vaping and has been for a long time. severe pneumonia is now occurring and is surprisingly linked to vaping. whats better about vaping? Can anyone explain what cigarette do that vaping doesnt that makes vaping safer? Is it Tar? Is it the additives? can anyone bring something of substance? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HiddenRoar 10/22/19 12:00:55 AM #12:	HydraSlayer82 posted... Theres just not enough data yet but Id be extremely surprised if the opposite is true. There's a (landmark) study released in the UK earlier this year that made the UK's NHS adopt the position of vaping = good (and if it wasn't, they wouldn't be selling vape stuff in hospitals) https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/long-term-vaping-far-safer-than-smoking-says-landmark-study/ https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/454517/Ecigarettes_a_firm_foundation_for_evidence_based_policy_and_practice.pdf Unless you think Big Brother England and the Queen are secretly plotting to addict people to ecigs for money. <cite>HiddenRoar posted [p:929078140] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>HydraSlayer82 posted...</cite> <quote>Theres just not enough data yet but Id be extremely surprised if the opposite is true.</quote> There's a (landmark) study released in the UK earlier this year that made the UK's NHS adopt the position of vaping = good (and if it wasn't, they wouldn't be selling vape stuff in hospitals) https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/long-term-vaping-far-safer-than-smoking-says-landmark-study/ https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/454517/Ecigarettes_a_firm_foundation_for_evidence_based_policy_and_practice.pdf Unless you think Big Brother England and the Queen are secretly plotting to addict people to ecigs for money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 10/22/19 12:01:15 AM #13:	That cost is insane and should be a deterrent on its own --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:929078154] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>That cost is insane and should be a deterrent on its own</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
southcoast09 10/22/19 12:01:47 AM #14:	Gobstoppers12 posted... southcoast09 posted... Vaping is safe. Sorry, but it is. People have died and/or suffered permanent lung damage due to vaping. Sorry, but it's not 'safe.' Vaping was basically the go-to scapegoat. Can you show medical records to prove that vaping is what caused it? Can you prove to me that those people werent former cigarette smokers? If I smoked for 20 years and then quit, and started vaping, then how do you know where it came from? Most people who vape are former smokers, so its really a biased thing to even bring up. Show me proof that a person who has never smoked a cigarette got sick in any way from vaping. --- #MakeFinalFantasyGreatAgain <cite>southcoast09 posted [p:929078169] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote>Vaping is safe. Sorry, but it is.</quote> People have died and/or suffered permanent lung damage due to vaping. Sorry, but it's not 'safe.'</quote> Vaping was basically the go-to scapegoat. Can you show medical records to prove that vaping is what caused it? Can you prove to me that those people werent former cigarette smokers? If I smoked for 20 years and then quit, and started vaping, then how do you know where it came from? Most people who vape are former smokers, so its really a biased thing to even bring up. Show me proof that a person who has never smoked a cigarette got sick in any way from vaping.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HiddenRoar 10/22/19 12:15:59 AM #15:	Gobstoppers12 posted... People have died From exploding lithium ion batteries used in mechanical mod vaping devices, as a result of not understanding how to use them (We don't ban lawnmowers just because people have died from improper use). From actual nicotine, only about 3 died, and those are from direct overexposure on skin or via ingestion rather than from inhalation of aerosolized eliquid. suffered permanent lung damage From THC/marijuana vaping, a relatively new, unrelated niche from vaping nicotine. <cite>HiddenRoar posted [p:929078566] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote> People have died</quote> From exploding lithium ion batteries used in mechanical mod vaping devices, as a result of not understanding how to use them (We don't ban lawnmowers just because people have died from improper use). From actual nicotine, only about 3 died, and those are from direct overexposure on skin or via ingestion rather than from inhalation of aerosolized eliquid. <quote>suffered permanent lung damage</quote> From THC/marijuana vaping, a relatively new, unrelated niche from vaping nicotine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 10/22/19 12:19:17 AM #16:	Only thing I've seen so far is popcorn lung, which is not a problem now, and lung inflammation, which shouldn't be a surprise --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:929078663] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>Only thing I've seen so far is popcorn lung, which is not a problem now, and lung inflammation, which shouldn't be a surprise</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scorpion41 10/22/19 12:25:08 AM #17:	https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/5-truths-you-need-to-know-about-vaping Its still dangerous enough that grade school kids dont need to be getting hooked on it. Like this article says, they entice people to start smoking that otherwise wouldnt touch regular cigarettes. --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:929078821] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/5-truths-you-need-to-know-about-vaping Its still dangerous enough that grade school kids dont need to be getting hooked on it. Like this article says, they entice people to start smoking that otherwise wouldnt touch regular cigarettes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bad_Mojo 10/22/19 12:57:23 AM #18:	The issue is how quickly people are dying from it, imo But Oregon lifted the ban and you can guy them again here. At least that's what my coworker said since she vapes and was complaining about it --- https://i.imgtc.com/hQ5SuG6.gif https://i.imgtc.com/QrhAq36.gif https://i.imgtc.com/Yjov9DU.gif <cite>Bad_Mojo posted [p:929079725] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>The issue is how quickly people are dying from it, imo But Oregon lifted the ban and you can guy them again here. At least that's what my coworker said since she vapes and was complaining about it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 10/22/19 3:05:30 AM #19:	HiddenRoar posted... There's a (landmark) study released in the UK earlier this year that made the UK's NHS adopt the position of vaping = good (and if it wasn't, they wouldn't be selling vape stuff in hospitals) https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/long-term-vaping-far-safer-than-smoking-says-landmark-study/ https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/454517/Ecigarettes_a_firm_foundation_for_evidence_based_policy_and_practice.pdf Unless you think Big Brother England and the Queen are secretly plotting to addict people to ecigs for money. You should have read the first article before posting it. i havent read the second yet but boy is it fascinating how much shit like this gets posted by people who dont read more than the title. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:929082199] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>HiddenRoar posted... </cite> <quote>There's a (landmark) study released in the UK earlier this year that made the UK's NHS adopt the position of vaping = good (and if it wasn't, they wouldn't be selling vape stuff in hospitals) https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/long-term-vaping-far-safer-than-smoking-says-landmark-study/ https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/454517/Ecigarettes_a_firm_foundation_for_evidence_based_policy_and_practice.pdf Unless you think Big Brother England and the Queen are secretly plotting to addict people to ecigs for money.</quote> You should have read the first article before posting it. i havent read the second yet but boy is it fascinating how much shit like this gets posted by people who dont read more than the title. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 10/22/19 3:06:15 AM #20:	@southcoast09 posted... Vaping was basically the go-to scapegoat. Can you show medical records to prove that vaping is what caused it? Can you prove to me that those people werent former cigarette smokers? If I smoked for 20 years and then quit, and started vaping, then how do you know where it came from? Most people who vape are former smokers, so its really a biased thing to even bring up. Show me proof that a person who has never smoked a cigarette got sick in any way from vaping. You dont get pneumonia from smoking cigs.... --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:929082211] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>@southcoast09 posted... </cite> <quote>Vaping was basically the go-to scapegoat. Can you show medical records to prove that vaping is what caused it? Can you prove to me that those people werent former cigarette smokers? If I smoked for 20 years and then quit, and started vaping, then how do you know where it came from? Most people who vape are former smokers, so its really a biased thing to even bring up. Show me proof that a person who has never smoked a cigarette got sick in any way from vaping.</quote> You dont get pneumonia from smoking cigs.... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 10/22/19 3:18:12 AM #22:	dolomedes posted... it's nice that some people notice the disparity between oh no a few people died from undisclosed vape products, ban all vape products and millions of people have died from diseases caused by cigarettes, we can't stop selling tobacco products however... don't even think about alcohol has been ruining families and communities for as far back as we can recall buuuuut we'll just remind people to 'drink responsibly' the real difference though is hey, we understand you make your own choices and that this bad shit cant be banned because people would be up in arms about it, but this alternative is being marketed as something its clearly not and if no ones willing to disclose why the potential for negative impactment, especially short term, then we leave it up to the discretion of representatives to determine its availability for their constituents. We both wrote very different statements. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:929082398] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>dolomedes posted... </cite> <quote>it's nice that some people notice the disparity between oh no a few people died from undisclosed vape products, ban all vape products and millions of people have died from diseases caused by cigarettes, we can't stop selling tobacco products however... don't even think about alcohol has been ruining families and communities for as far back as we can recall buuuuut we'll just remind people to 'drink responsibly'</quote> the real difference though is hey, we understand you make your own choices and that this bad shit cant be banned because people would be up in arms about it, but this alternative is being marketed as something its clearly not and if no ones willing to disclose why the potential for negative impactment, especially short term, then we leave it up to the discretion of representatives to determine its availability for their constituents. We both wrote very different statements. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wewillrocku 10/22/19 3:19:13 AM #23:	yeah ban both --- The american prison system is a sorry mess but giving them game consoles isn't going to solve anything. Zurriah <cite>Wewillrocku posted [p:929082406] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>yeah ban both</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 10/22/19 3:32:01 AM #25:	dolomedes posted... i mean banning the sale of a competing product just seems fucked up to me. esp from an industry known for lining the pockets of lawmakers and lawenforcers. idk man it just seems fishy to me dont get me wrong Im sure theres ulterior motives in play for sure but vaping has been under question since at least back in 2005. Its more popular now especially with people using tobacco vapes so much. but the thing is the pneumonia issue was around back then, it never went away, and now its increased dramatically. Not even discussing the other points I know thats why a lot of people discourage it. throw in how unregulated it is and a few bad batches fucking with people and I see why its so controversial now. I think it should be allowed but I also agree that as long as its marketed as a safer alternative then that shit needs to be called out. Full disclosures Im a smoker myself but I also support shit like putting toxic signs on packs and shit. Im mostly against vaping cause youre putting water vapor into your lungs. Like, thats not good lol. im no expect on the subject though so Im just giving my opinion. FWIW all my friends in the weed industry have been warning against vaping since long before tobacco came out. The fight is just more public these days because way more people do it in different forms. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:929082598] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>dolomedes posted... </cite> <quote>i mean banning the sale of a competing product just seems fucked up to me. esp from an industry known for lining the pockets of lawmakers and lawenforcers. idk man it just seems fishy to me</quote> dont get me wrong Im sure theres ulterior motives in play for sure but vaping has been under question since at least back in 2005. Its more popular now especially with people using tobacco vapes so much. but the thing is the pneumonia issue was around back then, it never went away, and now its increased dramatically. Not even discussing the other points I know thats why a lot of people discourage it. throw in how unregulated it is and a few bad batches fucking with people and I see why its so controversial now. I think it should be allowed but I also agree that as long as its marketed as a safer alternative then that shit needs to be called out. Full disclosures Im a smoker myself but I also support shit like putting toxic signs on packs and shit. Im mostly against vaping cause youre putting water vapor into your lungs. Like, thats not good lol. im no expect on the subject though so Im just giving my opinion. FWIW all my friends in the weed industry have been warning against vaping since long before tobacco came out. The fight is just more public these days because way more people do it in different forms. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlockAddition 10/22/19 3:55:08 AM #27:	I know somebody who never smoked a cigarette in his life but he vapes because it's "cool" --- hi <cite>BlockAddition posted [p:929082880] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>I know somebody who never smoked a cigarette in his life but he vapes because it's "cool"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jagermeister513 10/22/19 3:58:26 AM #28:	All smoking is dumb as fuck but vaping just shows how much of a douchebag you are. --- I keep the dope fiends higher than the Goodyear Blimp <cite>Jagermeister513 posted [p:929082929] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>All smoking is dumb as fuck but vaping just shows how much of a douchebag you are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 10/22/19 4:00:19 AM #29:	dolomedes posted... oh, yeah, absolutely don't claim it as a healthy alternative. inhaling anything solid into your lungs is bad for your lungs! i bought a vape cartridge this evening actually. i never thought i'd vape, but kids at work turned me onto it 'cause it makes it easy for them to get high at work. some old friends of mine got into it, too. the last time i hung out with one of 'em, she was excited i had flower on me lol. 'it's been so long!' Ya thats how my little brother is too, hes been on cartridges for a few years now lol. My best friend works in a dispensary and he says cartridges is like 50% of the sales if not more. Cant argue with how convenient it is lol. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:929082954] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>dolomedes posted... </cite> <quote>oh, yeah, absolutely don't claim it as a healthy alternative. inhaling anything solid into your lungs is bad for your lungs! i bought a vape cartridge this evening actually. i never thought i'd vape, but kids at work turned me onto it 'cause it makes it easy for them to get high at work. some old friends of mine got into it, too. the last time i hung out with one of 'em, she was excited i had flower on me lol. 'it's been so long!'</quote> Ya thats how my little brother is too, hes been on cartridges for a few years now lol. My best friend works in a dispensary and he says cartridges is like 50% of the sales if not more. Cant argue with how convenient it is lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jagermeister513 10/22/19 4:06:46 AM #32:	dolomedes posted... Zeeak4444 posted... My best friend works in a dispensary and he says cartridges is like 50% of the sales if not more. Cant argue with how convenient it is lol. kids have it so easy these days. no more sneaking into the woods behind the school to smoke a joint or exhaling into a toilet paper roll stuffed w dryer sheets. they just charge their battery and blaze up. i'm an old hippie Those were the days. We did that at my best friends apartment back in the mid 90s. Those dryer sheets turned brown with the quickness. --- I keep the dope fiends higher than the Goodyear Blimp <cite>Jagermeister513 posted [p:929083036] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>dolomedes posted...</cite> <quote>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>My best friend works in a dispensary and he says cartridges is like 50% of the sales if not more. Cant argue with how convenient it is lol. </quote> kids have it so easy these days. no more sneaking into the woods behind the school to smoke a joint or exhaling into a toilet paper roll stuffed w dryer sheets. they just charge their battery and blaze up. i'm an old hippie</quote> Those were the days. We did that at my best friends apartment back in the mid 90s. Those dryer sheets turned brown with the quickness.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jagermeister513 10/22/19 4:33:35 AM #34:	dolomedes posted... oh grosssssss i've never actually done it, ha. We used to smoke so much his mom would bitch about all her dryer sheets going missing. --- I keep the dope fiends higher than the Goodyear Blimp <cite>Jagermeister513 posted [p:929083376] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>dolomedes posted...</cite> <quote>oh grosssssss i've never actually done it, ha.</quote> We used to smoke so much his mom would bitch about all her dryer sheets going missing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
vigorm0rtis 10/22/19 4:55:47 AM #35:	southcoast09 posted... Vaping is safe. Sorry, but it is. Science disagrees with you. --- "Can't wait to count out your coin!" -- Bethesda, 2018 <cite>vigorm0rtis posted [p:929083631] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote>Vaping is safe. Sorry, but it is.</quote> Science disagrees with you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryangrad 10/22/19 5:21:07 AM #36:	Zeeak4444 posted... You should have read the first article before posting it. i havent read the second yet but boy is it fascinating how much shit like this gets posted by people who dont read more than the title. What relevant information do you think is being missed from the study? --- https://imgur.com/v3SzL0d https://imgur.com/n8MtRqd <cite>Ryangrad posted [p:929083939] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>You should have read the first article before posting it. i havent read the second yet but boy is it fascinating how much shit like this gets posted by people who dont read more than the title.</quote> What relevant information do you think is being missed from the study?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Verdekal 10/22/19 5:40:01 AM #37:	Tobacco companies are trying to stem the competition. --- Don't tease the octopus, kids! <cite>Verdekal posted [p:929084183] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>Tobacco companies are trying to stem the competition. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 10/22/19 5:43:42 AM #38:	Ryangrad posted... Zeeak4444 posted... You should have read the first article before posting it. i havent read the second yet but boy is it fascinating how much shit like this gets posted by people who dont read more than the title. What relevant information do you think is being missed from the study? I mean a lot, but not by any fault of the study. It really was a huge step in the right direction and one of the first to generate discussion if what that article says is true. The thing is that they themselves state why its only a start to the discussion. Former smokers using e-cigarettes only had significantly lower levels of the toxic chemical NNAL (a by-product of exposure to TSNAs) than all other groups. This was equivalent to a 97% reduction compared with the levels of cigarette-only users. This is also the only real significant finding for ecigs, since the study is also focused on things like the patch and alternative methods like that. So while thats good its also not so amazing that it outweighs other potential hazards, like, again... pneumonia and serious hazards that come with smoking that form. Its crazy to me because its something thats discussed a lot on forums and stuff on the subject but never at more public levels aside from the odd viral post from a doctor. Lastly, like three sections down or so: Limitations to this study design include the possibility of recall bias as participants provide information about their smoking habits through a questionnaire. There is also the possibility of residual confounding from other unmeasured factors so findings may not be entirely accurate. A proper disclaimer. This is a good thing because thats how things should work. You get the ball rolling and continually improve. So while this is a really good study, the guy who posted it threw it out like it was some gotcha moment as we see happen all to often. Its an insult to the people who spent the time and effort to conduct the study itself imo. Its a slap in the face to anyone who reads more than titles too tbh. So nothing against anyone who believes its safer but its really wayyyyyy too early to tell. Its only my opinion that it just doesnt seem worth the risk and that if you want tobacco you should just smoke cigs (roll your own or rip out the filter if you want (healthier alternatives) or smoke it out of a pipe. But vaping just doesnt make sense to me. Not using oil at least. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:929084221] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>Ryangrad posted...</cite> <quote>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>You should have read the first article before posting it. i havent read the second yet but boy is it fascinating how much shit like this gets posted by people who dont read more than the title.</quote> What relevant information do you think is being missed from the study?</quote> I mean a lot, but not by any fault of the study. It really was a huge step in the right direction and one of the first to generate discussion if what that article says is true. The thing is that they themselves state why its only a start to the discussion. Former smokers using e-cigarettes only had significantly lower levels of the toxic chemical NNAL (a by-product of exposure to TSNAs) than all other groups. This was equivalent to a 97% reduction compared with the levels of cigarette-only users. This is also the only real significant finding for ecigs, since the study is also focused on things like the patch and alternative methods like that. So while thats good its also not so amazing that it outweighs other potential hazards, like, again... pneumonia and serious hazards that come with smoking that form. Its crazy to me because its something thats discussed a lot on forums and stuff on the subject but never at more public levels aside from the odd viral post from a doctor. Lastly, like three sections down or so: Limitations to this study design include the possibility of recall bias as participants provide information about their smoking habits through a questionnaire. There is also the possibility of residual confounding from other unmeasured factors so findings may not be entirely accurate. A proper disclaimer. This is a good thing because thats how things should work. You get the ball rolling and continually improve. So while this is a really good study, the guy who posted it threw it out like it was some gotcha moment as we see happen all to often. Its an insult to the people who spent the time and effort to conduct the study itself imo. Its a slap in the face to anyone who reads more than titles too tbh. So nothing against anyone who believes its safer but its really wayyyyyy too early to tell. Its only my opinion that it just doesnt seem worth the risk and that if you want tobacco you should just smoke cigs (roll your own or rip out the filter if you want (healthier alternatives) or smoke it out of a pipe. But vaping just doesnt make sense to me. Not using oil at least.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jagermeister513 10/22/19 6:39:51 AM #39:	Stop smoking, morons. --- I keep the dope fiends higher than the Goodyear Blimp <cite>Jagermeister513 posted [p:929084862] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>Stop smoking, morons.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AbysmalTrinity 10/22/19 7:07:30 AM #40:	HylianFox posted... Vaping is going through the same problem cigarettes did: they're being marketed to kids and paraded as "safe" when they're not, really. You don't have any idea what you are speaking of. Truly uneducated --- *Simply Abysmal* AbysmalTrinity <cite>AbysmalTrinity posted [p:929085215] in Ban vape, ... [t:78102534]...</cite> <quote>HylianFox posted... </cite> <quote>Vaping is going through the same problem cigarettes did: they're being marketed to kids and paraded as "safe" when they're not, really.</quote>You don't have any idea what you are speaking of. Truly uneducated </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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