Current Events > Julian Castro has had it with bullshit Iowa

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Antifar 11/14/19 2:36:09 PM #1:	https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1194796417216331776 He's correct, but can only say as much because he's got no chance of winning. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:930132795] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1194796417216331776 He's correct, but can only say as much because he's got no chance of winning.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 11/14/19 2:40:01 PM #2:	"states that aren't representative of our party" --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:930132964] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>"states that aren't representative of our party" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Garioshi 11/14/19 2:42:13 PM #4:	Damn_Underscore posted... "states that aren't representative of our party" I mean, Iowa isn't exactly known as a Democratic hotbed --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 <cite>Garioshi posted [p:930133055] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>Damn_Underscore posted... </cite> <quote>"states that aren't representative of our party" </quote>I mean, Iowa isn't exactly known as a Democratic hotbed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 11/14/19 2:43:16 PM #5:	This is what happens when the union gave scum ass confederates any concessions mistake --- https://imgtc.com/i/HXEuaL9.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/xZ5hGDm.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/UZiqG9l.jpg https://imgtc.ws/i/gEfkzml.gif <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:930133110] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>This is what happens when the union gave scum ass confederates any concessions mistake</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Great_Reapette 11/14/19 2:46:19 PM #6:	"we don't like a swing state because it didn't vote for us last time" There are plenty of reasons to dislike plenty of the political systems but this one just seems a bit... pathetic? --- "A learning experience is one of those things that say, "You know that thing you just did? Don't do that."" https://imgur.com/PeaHB6E <cite>Great_Reapette posted [p:930133243] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>"we don't like a swing state because it didn't vote for us last time" There are plenty of reasons to dislike plenty of the political systems but this one just seems a bit... pathetic? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 11/14/19 2:47:02 PM #7:	I don't agree with his take on caucuses either. I agree that only having one event at 7PM on a weekday can be unfair to some people, but giving online access (which they did) totally fixes that. Caucuses allow for deeper involvement in the election system by voters, but they also require more effort. If the turnouts are so low even after those barriers have been removed, why should the system be blamed rather than the voters? --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:930133275] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>I don't agree with his take on caucuses either. I agree that only having one event at 7PM on a weekday can be unfair to some people, but giving online access (which they did) totally fixes that. Caucuses allow for deeper involvement in the election system by voters, but they also require more effort. If the turnouts are so low even after those barriers have been removed, why should the system be blamed rather than the voters?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 11/14/19 2:48:39 PM #8:	Great_Reapette posted... "we don't like a swing state because it didn't vote for us last time" There are plenty of reasons to dislike plenty of the political systems but this one just seems a bit... pathetic? The only pairing of states that's whiter than Iowa and New Hampshire(IIRC) is Utah and Vermont. Julian Castro is saying that putting them first is sidelining more diverse states that are more representative of not only the Democratic Party's base, but of America at-large. That's much harder to dispute than a strawman though. <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:930133347] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>Great_Reapette posted...</cite> <quote>"we don't like a swing state because it didn't vote for us last time" There are plenty of reasons to dislike plenty of the political systems but this one just seems a bit... pathetic? </quote> The only pairing of states that's whiter than Iowa and New Hampshire(IIRC) is Utah and Vermont. Julian Castro is saying that putting them first is sidelining more diverse states that are more representative of not only the Democratic Party's base, but of America at-large. That's much harder to dispute than a strawman though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 11/14/19 2:51:49 PM #9:	Great_Reapette posted... "we don't like a swing state because it didn't vote for us last time" There are plenty of reasons to dislike plenty of the political systems but this one just seems a bit... pathetic? That is not, at all, being said here. The tweet talks about Iowa's demographics, but the video is Castro talking about how the caucus process itself excludes a lot of people. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:930133489] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>Great_Reapette posted...</cite> <quote>"we don't like a swing state because it didn't vote for us last time" There are plenty of reasons to dislike plenty of the political systems but this one just seems a bit... pathetic? </quote> That is not, at all, being said here. The tweet talks about Iowa's demographics, but the video is Castro talking about how the caucus process itself excludes a lot of people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 11/14/19 2:51:53 PM #10:	ElatedVenusaur posted... The only pairing of states that's whiter than Iowa and New Hampshire(IIRC) is Utah and Vermont. Julian Castro is saying that putting them first is sidelining more diverse states that are more representative of not only the Democratic Party's base, but of America at-large. He's not talking about Iowa going first, though? His issue seems more just about participation rate. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:930133491] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>ElatedVenusaur posted...</cite> <quote>The only pairing of states that's whiter than Iowa and New Hampshire(IIRC) is Utah and Vermont. Julian Castro is saying that putting them first is sidelining more diverse states that are more representative of not only the Democratic Party's base, but of America at-large.</quote> He's not talking about Iowa going first, though? His issue seems more just about participation rate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/14/19 2:52:32 PM #11:	ElatedVenusaur posted... The only pairing of states that's whiter than Iowa and New Hampshire(IIRC) is Utah and Vermont. Utah is pretty white but not that white, unless you mean white including hispanics who identify as white theres a lot of midwestern states whiter than utah --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:930133520] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>ElatedVenusaur posted... </cite> <quote>The only pairing of states that's whiter than Iowa and New Hampshire(IIRC) is Utah and Vermont.</quote> Utah is pretty white but not that white, unless you mean white including hispanics who identify as white theres a lot of midwestern states whiter than utah </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cmiller4642 11/14/19 2:52:45 PM #12:	Iowa is filled with a bunch of Trump supporters who hate all of these candidates, so why should they matter? NY and CA should be the main caucus states <cite>cmiller4642 posted [p:930133532] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>Iowa is filled with a bunch of Trump supporters who hate all of these candidates, so why should they matter? NY and CA should be the main caucus states</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Great_Reapette 11/14/19 2:53:15 PM #13:	ElatedVenusaur posted... The only pairing of states that's whiter than Iowa and New Hampshire(IIRC) is Utah and Vermont. Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire, WV, and then Iowa. Julian Castro is saying that putting them first is sidelining more diverse states that are more representative of not only the Democratic Party's base, but of America at-large. yeah I suppose. man, it sure sucks to have to wait your turn. absolute way to marginalise anyone. California? New York? they don't mean shit when a state with a population less than their largest cities gets a say --- "A learning experience is one of those things that say, "You know that thing you just did? Don't do that."" https://imgur.com/PeaHB6E <cite>Great_Reapette posted [p:930133553] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>ElatedVenusaur posted... </cite> <quote>The only pairing of states that's whiter than Iowa and New Hampshire(IIRC) is Utah and Vermont.</quote>Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire, WV, and then Iowa. <quote>Julian Castro is saying that putting them first is sidelining more diverse states that are more representative of not only the Democratic Party's base, but of America at-large.</quote>yeah I suppose. man, it sure sucks to have to wait your turn. absolute way to marginalise anyone. California? New York? they don't mean shit when a state with a population less than their largest cities gets a say </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThePrinceFish 11/14/19 2:54:11 PM #15:	cmiller4642 posted... Iowa is filled with a bunch of Trump supporters who hate all of these candidates, so why should they matter? NY and CA should be the main caucus states That would be so awesome. Here's hoping for next time. --- Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say 'Golly gee, I can't do that" Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:930133588] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>cmiller4642 posted...</cite> <quote>Iowa is filled with a bunch of Trump supporters who hate all of these candidates, so why should they matter? NY and CA should be the main caucus states</quote> That would be so awesome. Here's hoping for next time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/14/19 2:54:15 PM #16:	Great_Reapette posted... yeah I suppose. man, it sure sucks to have to wait your turn. absolute way to marginalise anyone. California? New York? they don't mean shit when a state with a population less than their largest cities gets a say what are you even trying to say? I live in Arkansas and think its bullshit that iowa and new hampshire get such a disproportionate say and attention... --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:930133590] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>Great_Reapette posted... </cite> <quote>yeah I suppose. man, it sure sucks to have to wait your turn. absolute way to marginalise anyone. California? New York? they don't mean shit when a state with a population less than their largest cities gets a say</quote> what are you even trying to say? I live in Arkansas and think its bullshit that iowa and new hampshire get such a disproportionate say and attention... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 11/14/19 2:54:41 PM #17:	Great_Reapette posted... yeah I suppose. man, it sure sucks to have to wait your turn Why is their turn after Iowa's? --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:930133613] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>Great_Reapette posted...</cite> <quote>yeah I suppose. man, it sure sucks to have to wait your turn</quote> Why is their turn after Iowa's?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Damn_Underscore 11/14/19 2:58:40 PM #19:	shockthemonkey posted... His issue is with how few people take part in the caucus and how it makes it difficult for more people to get involved, I dont know why some people are having such a hard time understanding that. The guy who made the tweet mentioned Iowa "not being representative of our party", whatever that means. And he is the press secretary of Julian Castro according to his twitter bio. And again, I don't see how caucuses make it more difficult for people to get involved, other than that they require more effort from voters to participate in. And as he mentioned, online access to caucuses was given so it's no longer an issue of not being able to physically attend a caucus building. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:930133762] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>His issue is with how few people take part in the caucus and how it makes it difficult for more people to get involved, I dont know why some people are having such a hard time understanding that.</quote> The guy who made the tweet mentioned Iowa "not being representative of our party", whatever that means. And he is the press secretary of Julian Castro according to his twitter bio. And again, I don't see how caucuses make it more difficult for people to get involved, other than that they require more effort from voters to participate in. And as he mentioned, online access to caucuses was given so it's no longer an issue of not being able to physically attend a caucus building.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 11/14/19 3:00:37 PM #20:	Damn_Underscore posted... And as he mentioned, online access to caucuses was given It was then taken away https://www.kcci.com/article/dnc-recommends-iowa-scrap-electronic-caucusing/28868506 --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:930133839] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>And as he mentioned, online access to caucuses was given </quote> It was then taken away https://www.kcci.com/article/dnc-recommends-iowa-scrap-electronic-caucusing/28868506</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Great_Reapette 11/14/19 3:01:21 PM #21:	Antifar posted... Why is their turn after Iowa's? ...Because they choose to have it after Iowa's? You realise that the state legislature determines primary/caucus date, right? --- "A learning experience is one of those things that say, "You know that thing you just did? Don't do that."" https://imgur.com/PeaHB6E <cite>Great_Reapette posted [p:930133881] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>Why is their turn after Iowa's?</quote>...Because they choose to have it after Iowa's? You realise that the state legislature determines primary/caucus date, right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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berlyman101 11/14/19 3:05:05 PM #23:	Well yeah this entire process is shitty on a bonkers level --- http://www.lukesurl.com/comics/2010-02-24-determinism.png <cite>berlyman101 posted [p:930134029] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>Well yeah this entire process is shitty on a bonkers level </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/14/19 3:05:53 PM #24:	Great_Reapette posted... ...Because they choose to have it after Iowa's? You realise that the state legislature determines primary/caucus date, right? and the national party penalizes states that set their primaries and/or caucuses before Iowa and New Hampshire --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:930134067] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>Great_Reapette posted... </cite> <quote>...Because they choose to have it after Iowa's? You realise that the state legislature determines primary/caucus date, right?</quote> and the national party penalizes states that set their primaries and/or caucuses before Iowa and New Hampshire </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Garioshi 11/14/19 3:06:15 PM #25:	ITT: Iowan shills for Iowa --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 <cite>Garioshi posted [p:930134086] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>ITT: Iowan shills for Iowa </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 11/14/19 3:06:42 PM #26:	Great_Reapette posted... Because they choose to have it after Iowa's? You realise that the state legislature determines primary/caucus date, right? But it's the parties that have afforded and protected Iowa's status as the first: https://bit.ly/2qfFVNd Prompted by Carter's reelection loss in 1980, the national Democratic Party theorized that the drawn-out nomination process was more of a hindrance than a help to their party's nominee. They rolled out new rules that would restrict how early any state's nomination processes could be held, but still allowed Iowa to caucus first. At that point, it seemed like everyone was happy. Then, Vermont moved up the date of its straw poll. In response, New Hampshire made its primary earlier. In defiance of the national party, Iowa chose to move the caucuses earlier than its nationally assigned date to maintain the buffer between the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary. In November of 1983, with the caucuses (whatever their date was to be) soon approaching, state party officials gathered to resolve the disagreement and vote on the official date. Those in favor of the earlier date wanted to preserve both Iowa and New Hampshire's unique roles in the nomination process. Those in favor of the later date wanted the whole process shortened to help the eventual nominee. The party leaders voted 20-10 for the earlier date. Iowa's status as first in the nation was, at least for the moment, secured. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:930134110] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>Great_Reapette posted...</cite> <quote>Because they choose to have it after Iowa's? You realise that the state legislature determines primary/caucus date, right? </quote> But it's the parties that have afforded and protected Iowa's status as the first: https://bit.ly/2qfFVNd <quote>Prompted by Carter's reelection loss in 1980, the national Democratic Party theorized that the drawn-out nomination process was more of a hindrance than a help to their party's nominee. They rolled out new rules that would restrict how early any state's nomination processes could be held, but still allowed Iowa to caucus first. At that point, it seemed like everyone was happy. Then, Vermont moved up the date of its straw poll. In response, New Hampshire made its primary earlier. In defiance of the national party, Iowa chose to move the caucuses earlier than its nationally assigned date to maintain the buffer between the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary. In November of 1983, with the caucuses (whatever their date was to be) soon approaching, state party officials gathered to resolve the disagreement and vote on the official date. Those in favor of the earlier date wanted to preserve both Iowa and New Hampshire's unique roles in the nomination process. Those in favor of the later date wanted the whole process shortened to help the eventual nominee. The party leaders voted 20-10 for the earlier date. Iowa's status as first in the nation was, at least for the moment, secured.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Great_Reapette 11/14/19 3:07:35 PM #27:	Balrog0 posted... and the national party penalizes states that set their primaries and/or caucuses before Iowa and New Hampshire so why is either being held at fault? like yeah there are countless ways that the entire election cycle could be improved, but there's not some kind of corn boogeyman telling the feds to keep California or NJ from having an early primary hell, they tried to do that in 2008, but decided they'd rather have a late one to cut costs. blame them --- "A learning experience is one of those things that say, "You know that thing you just did? Don't do that."" https://imgur.com/PeaHB6E <cite>Great_Reapette posted [p:930134138] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>and the national party penalizes states that set their primaries and/or caucuses before Iowa and New Hampshire</quote>so why is either being held at fault? like yeah there are countless ways that the entire election cycle could be improved, but there's not some kind of corn boogeyman telling the feds to keep California or NJ from having an early primary hell, they tried to do that in 2008, but decided they'd rather have a late one to cut costs. blame them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 11/14/19 3:08:36 PM #28:	Antifar posted... Damn_Underscore posted... And as he mentioned, online access to caucuses was given It was then taken away https://www.kcci.com/article/dnc-recommends-iowa-scrap-electronic-caucusing/28868506 I assumed "virtual caucus" meant online caucus. An online caucus would be much more interactive and more secure than a telephone caucus. Fault the DNC for that. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:930134189] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>And as he mentioned, online access to caucuses was given </quote> It was then taken away https://www.kcci.com/article/dnc-recommends-iowa-scrap-electronic-caucusing/28868506</quote> I assumed "virtual caucus" meant online caucus. An online caucus would be much more interactive and more secure than a telephone caucus. Fault the DNC for that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/14/19 3:12:40 PM #29:	Great_Reapette posted... so why is either being held at fault? Because they lobby hard to maintain their first in the nation status(es)? Though to be clear I dont see the video in the OP criticizing Iowa for being first so much as criticizing the fact that they're always first. Great_Reapette posted... like yeah there are countless ways that the entire election cycle could be improved, but there's not some kind of corn boogeyman telling the feds to keep California or NJ from having an early primary Nah they aren't boogeymen just tools in the democratic party establishment like tom vilsack, who himself is only a nationally prominent politician due to the status of Iowa as going first. it's a self-promoting cycle Great_Reapette posted... hell, they tried to do that in 2008, but decided they'd rather have a late one to cut costs. blame them Florida and Michigan lost all of their delegates in 2008 because they did do this --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:930134354] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>Great_Reapette posted... </cite> <quote>so why is either being held at fault?</quote> Because they lobby hard to maintain their first in the nation status(es)? Though to be clear I dont see the video in the OP criticizing Iowa for being first so much as criticizing the fact that they're always first. Great_Reapette posted... </cite> <quote>like yeah there are countless ways that the entire election cycle could be improved, but there's not some kind of corn boogeyman telling the feds to keep California or NJ from having an early primary</quote> Nah they aren't boogeymen just tools in the democratic party establishment like tom vilsack, who himself is only a nationally prominent politician due to the status of Iowa as going first. it's a self-promoting cycle Great_Reapette posted... </cite> <quote>hell, they tried to do that in 2008, but decided they'd rather have a late one to cut costs. blame them</quote> Florida and Michigan lost all of their delegates in 2008 because they did do this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 11/14/19 3:15:37 PM #30:	After looking into primary turnout, I'm not really sure what to think of the 16% number tbh https://i.imgur.com/O0TuU2O.png --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:930134493] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>After looking into primary turnout, I'm not really sure what to think of the 16% number tbh https://i.imgur.com/O0TuU2O.png</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Great_Reapette 11/14/19 3:18:10 PM #31:	Balrog0 posted... Though to be clear I dont see the video in the OP criticizing Iowa for being first so much as criticizing the fact that they're always first. Oh yeah, no, that's a plenty fair point to make. There have been a number of plans suggested for either changing up the order or randomising it, but always tending to favour smaller states first (because otherwise their voices would be drowned out), and they're all pretty good ideas. Which is why it's a wonder that they've all been shot down. Florida and Michigan lost all of their delegates in 2008 because they did do this newsflash: the DNC is dumb, more at 11 --- "A learning experience is one of those things that say, "You know that thing you just did? Don't do that."" https://imgur.com/PeaHB6E <cite>Great_Reapette posted [p:930134605] in Julian Cas... [t:78160238]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>Though to be clear I dont see the video in the OP criticizing Iowa for being first so much as criticizing the fact that they're always first.</quote>Oh yeah, no, that's a plenty fair point to make. There have been a number of plans suggested for either changing up the order or randomising it, but always tending to favour smaller states first (because otherwise their voices would be drowned out), and they're all pretty good ideas. Which is why it's a wonder that they've all been shot down. <quote>Florida and Michigan lost all of their delegates in 2008 because they did do this</quote>newsflash: the DNC is dumb, more at 11 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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