Current Events > POLL: Should transgender women compete in women's sports?

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And the well they should ban tall people from basketball argument doesnt work because there are already guys way taller than everyone else in there and while it makes them insane rebounders, they cant move or shoot worth dick so it evens out since its a team sport.
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EffectAndCause posted...

And the well they should ban tall people from basketball argument doesnt work because there are already guys way taller than everyone else in there and while it makes them insane rebounders, they cant move or shoot worth dick so it evens out since its a team sport.

Nah they have an unfair advantage and should only be restricted to a league just for people like them.
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The Admiral posted...

Women are treated fairly in tennis and soccer (in the U.S.) too. But they'd get utterly crushed by professional men in any of those sports.

Hell, remember when the 203rd ranked male tennis player trashed the Williams sisters while he was drinking a beer and smoking in between sets?

Yeah, I posted that before you did in this topic. I was responding to what RDVEH was loling at. Which was about respect. Of course the woman can't complete in contact sports with guys.

RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Hah, sticking to your gimmick but you'll never even be a knockoff WWEPropaganda.

And you'll never be a good one but here you are trying harder than a rock climbing wall?

Put down the booze and shut up brutal
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ZMythos posted...

EffectAndCause posted...

And the well they should ban tall people from basketball argument doesnt work because there are already guys way taller than everyone else in there and while it makes them insane rebounders, they cant move or shoot worth dick so it evens out since its a team sport.

Nah they have an unfair advantage and should only be restricted to a league just for people like them.

So basically you and that other guy have no good arguments. Well you tried.
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EffectAndCause posted...

ZMythos posted...

EffectAndCause posted...

And the well they should ban tall people from basketball argument doesnt work because there are already guys way taller than everyone else in there and while it makes them insane rebounders, they cant move or shoot worth dick so it evens out since its a team sport.

Nah they have an unfair advantage and should only be restricted to a league just for people like them.

So basically you and that other guy have no good arguments. Well you tried.

My argument is in the same vein as yours. So if you're saying mine is weak then...
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I just explained why your argument fails. Being tall is not a massive advantage in the NBA, it only benefits you in 1 or 2 areas.

There are plenty of 7 foot and beyond guys in the NBA right now, and almost none of them are all stars.
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I really enjoy someone who has no idea on how to troll tries to argue with me when I have superior knowledge on the argument
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EffectAndCause posted...

Im almost positive you dont watch sports at all. Otherwise youd know possibly the biggest MMA star of all time was a woman.

Yeah Amanda Nunes is awesome! She's lesbian too! First gay champ in the UFC :D

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EffectAndCause posted...

I just explained why your argument fails. Being tall is not a massive advantage in the NBA, it only benefits you in 1 or 2 areas.

There are plenty of 7 foot and beyond guys in the NBA right now, and almost none of them are all stars.

The average adult Male is 5'9"

The average nba athlete is 6'7"

Lol don't fucking pretend there's no correlation
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Uh, bro, you clearly dont watch basketball because theres a position called point guard composed of men of average height with amazing shooting and ball handling ability that become highly successful.

Ill give you time to regroup and come back with something else.
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You're not even worth the mod that insult would have given me.

Why don't you do some googling before you post.
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Whyd you delete your post twice? What you were saying was so easy for me to work with.
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That was admiral, whom even he knows you have no clue what you're talking about.
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Youre Googling because you dont watch basketball. I actually watch the sport so im aware of the 59 2 time all star point guard named Isaiah Thomas.
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EffectAndCause posted...

Youre Googling because you dont watch basketball. I actually watch the sport so im aware of the 59 2 time all star point guard named Isaiah Thomas.

Wow one person. Your anecdotal evidence sure ruined my argument.
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If I had the time or the interest I could go through the entirety of NBA history to rip your paper thin argument to shreds. The point stands that being tall is an advantage in maybe 2 areas of a game with many factors to be successful.

There are plenty of tall women in the WNBA and theyd still get torched by shorter NBA point guards because as ive said countless times, men are naturally stronger than women.

And it seems as if the vast, vast majority of posters here agree with me (currently 69 to 8 in the poll).
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EffectAndCause posted...

If I had the time

you do

EffectAndCause posted...

or the interest

oh you don't do you
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I think it really depends on sport. As an example olympic weightlifting would be absolutely stupid if both men and women played in the same bracket.

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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

EffectAndCause posted...

If I had the time

you do

EffectAndCause posted...

or the interest

oh you don't do you

It was actually easier than I thought. Turns out there have been 25 players UNDER 59 in the NBA that were still among the best in the world and were drafted into the NBA. If I open that up to heights 59 to 60 (still very much average), that number goes into the hundreds.

Well that was fun, want to try another angle or just give up?
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EffectAndCause posted...

RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

EffectAndCause posted...

If I had the time

you do

EffectAndCause posted...

or the interest

oh you don't do you

It was actually easier than I thought. Turns out there have been 25 players UNDER 59 in the NBA that were still among the best in the world and were drafted into the NBA. If I open that up to heights 59 to 60 (still very much average), that number goes into the hundreds.

Well that was fun, want to try another angle or just give up?

Dude, height has a major advantage in the NBA. This isn't really debatable.

You can get by at shorter heights at the point guard position since it relies on a different skill set, but point is probably the most athletic position on the floor and the one in which women would have the least likely chance of ever being able to match up with men.

The only NBA position a woman could even theoretically play would be shooting guard, where she'd have to be a spot-up perimeter shooter like J.J. Reddick. But that woman would be utter dogshit on defense, so even that's not realistic.
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EffectAndCause posted...

It was actually easier than I thought.

Great

So what did you discover?

EffectAndCause posted...

urns out there have been 25 players UNDER 59 in the NBA that were still among the best in the world and were drafted into the NBA. If I open that up to heights 59 to 60 (still very much average), that number goes into the hundreds.

Oh you think I'm someone else? oh no. just no no no no

read what I said.
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Dude, height has a major advantage in the NBA. This isn't really debatable.

You can get by at shorter heights at the point guard position since it relies on a different skill set, but point is probably the most athletic position on the floor and the one in which women would have the least likely chance of ever being able to match up with men.

The only NBA position a woman could even theoretically play would be shooting guard, where she'd have to be a spot-up perimeter shooter like J.J. Reddick. But that woman would be utter dogshit on defense, so even that's not realistic.

It sounds like you agree with me.

And theres a reason the 76 Tacko Fall is barely getting any minutes on the Celtics right now, because he needs to develop in all areas of the game besides being tall.
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EffectAndCause posted...

It sounds like you agree with me.

okay let's try once more before I mark you for trolling

I'll give you a simple task point were I argued about the NBA
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How come these debates only focus on transitioned male-to-female competing against women and never about transitioned female-to-male competing against men?

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EnterTheTekken posted...

How come these debates only focus on transitioned male-to-female competing against women and never about transitioned female-to-male competing against men?

Because they likely wouldn't have a biological advantage in the sports in question. You're effectively making the argument for not having gender divisions in sports, which I agree with, but I am not sure if you are intending to.

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Complete_Idi0t posted...

No, the idea of separating women from men in sports in the first place is ridiculous

Name fits.

Honestly it should become a new category. Things change over time. Its not discriminatory its logic.

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ZMythos posted...

Wow one person. Your anecdotal evidence sure ruined my argument.

height matters but spudd webb, mugsy bogues, nate robinson, whatever his first name was boykins....

One second thought top of my head names and i dont even watch basketball. Calm down.

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ssjevot posted...

Because they likely wouldn't have a biological advantage in the sports in question. You're effectively making the argument for not having gender divisions in sports, which I agree with, but I am not sure if you are intending to.

You do realize that if all leagues were open to both genders and no female specific categories or leagues existed women couldnt even be pro athletes right?

youre aware of what youre advocating for here?

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Transgender women should participate in transgender womens sports, not womens sports

CanuckCowboy posted...

You do realize that if all leagues were open to both genders and no female specific categories or leagues existed women couldnt even be pro athletes right?

youre aware of what youre advocating for here?

You should read the rest of the topic or at least my posts. I'm advocating for divisions based on less arbitrary criteria than gender, because the current debate results from the ambiguity surrounding gender, and even if you want to go by sex, intersex is still an issue and it has been argued some former Olympic women champions were intersex.

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Mens league
Womens league
Any% league for everyone

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toyota posted...

Transgender women should participate in transgender womens sports, not womens sports

this, rather than shoehorning them in with men or women, the most fair thing to do is give them their own, seperate category of competition

ssjevot posted...

You should read the rest of the topic or at least my posts. I'm advocating for divisions based on less arbitrary criteria than gender, because the current debate results from the ambiguity surrounding gender, and even if you want to go by sex, intersex is still an issue and it has been argued some former Olympic women champions were intersex.

doesnt address my point in the context of what you stated.

A shit tier half drunk dude smashed the Williams sisters in tennis. What do you think happens if the top female hockey players or fighters of ever fight a low end male pro?

hint: itd be really ugly.

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CanuckCowboy posted...

doesnt address my point in the context of what you stated.

A shit tier half drunk dude smashed the Williams sisters in tennis. What do you think happens if the top female hockey players or fighters of ever fight a low end male pro?

hint: itd be really ugly.

Yeah, I agree with that. So you aren't reading my posts apparently. You seem to think I don't think we can have divisions, which again I never said. I don't really want to have the exact same debate all over again.

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Sigh. It's tough. If you ask the question "Why are sports separated by gender in the first place" you quickly see why it's unfair to biological women.

Either the walls come down and everyone competes together and women are basically pushed out of sports except a few. Or transgender women compete with women and crush them.

They aren't separated because "this is the girly league, lol, girls only." It's so they can actually compete and win in some capacity.

I don't care either way. I'm not a woman. They are the ones that are going to fight that battle and decide what is best.

ssjevot posted...

Yeah, I agree with that. So you aren't reading my posts apparently. You seem to think I don't think we can have divisions, which again I never said. I don't really want to have the exact same debate all over again.

Dude whatever context there was doesnt change what you specifically said and which I specifically responded to.

if youre really dying on this hill mebbe you need to learn to express yourself better. You clearly said a thing with specific implications and i answered according to exactly what you said. If you meant something else thats on you.

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I mean exactly what I said. I think divisions based on things other than gender are better. And you just went right into talking about how men would crush women if there was only one division, which I never said I wanted. It's like saying bigger people would crush smaller people in MMA if there was only one division. You just say things I agree with instead of providing a counter-point.

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