Current Events > Adam Ruins Everything: Alpha Males Do Not Exist

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ti86veZBjU

Discuss.
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He's a beta
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He make this before or after Roe Jogan made him look like an idiot? Dude already showed he can't spit this shit when their is something who can actually voice another opinion. He got shut down and looked secondary as fuck

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Wolves though
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

He make this before or after Roe Jogan made him look like an idiot? Dude already showed he can't spit this shit when their is something who can actually voice another opinion. He got shut down and looked secondary as fuck

Post the vid. I want to see this.
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

He make this before or after Roe Jogan made him look like an idiot?

Before. And Joe ruined any credibility Adam had left.
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He has some good vids, but this is just being overly narrow with criteria.

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Orlando_Jordan posted...

Post the vid. I want to see this.

https://youtu.be/F4yz-P94n0Q

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Informative, but he's being too literal with the term.
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

Orlando_Jordan posted...

Post the vid. I want to see this.

https://youtu.be/F4yz-P94n0Q

Adam's right in this circumstance, it's just that he's using very specific operational language. He's saying the concept of alpha and beta doesn't exist on a scientific level. That doesn't mean that culturally the concept can't grow into something socially, because that's really the power of human culture and how it morphs our experience with one another, especially within a society.

Joe is creating a synonymous depiction of alpha to mean--strong, confident, etc, whereas the beta is introverted and anxious. The problem with Joe's argument is it dichotomizes people into two camps. That's overly reductionist. People are complex. Not everyone who is introverted is anxious, unconfident, and neurotic. Often the strongest leaders are introverts. You can be quiet, but certain of yourself. Likewise some of the louder, aggressive personalities can be projecting that outwardly to the world to compensate for their insecurities.

Likewise, you can still have anxious/neurotic people who are confident as well. I've run into a ton of physician colleagues who are probably on the OCD spectrum and high strung with little details, but doesn't mean they don't know their shit and manage their patients properly.

Because of so many of these traits blending in together, it's hard to quantify into this alpha beta argument.

Joe claims people are hard wired to be attracted to a certain body type, when the reality is there are people who aren't attracted to that as well. Some people are into the tiny, flat chested petite women but that doesn't necessarily translate into "traits predictive of successful labor and delivery of offspring." You see more and more women being attracted to "dad bods" and that's not because there is a de-emphasis of athleticism and fitness, but that it probably reflects on other traits. And when you incorporate more of the nuances of human society and behavior, things like money and social status impact one's attractiveness. So treating human behavior in a vacuum of a club scene where people are looking for cheap sex isn't directly translatable to human experience at large. Sure, the more forward (and therefore perceptually confident appearing) fit man will have more success at the club. But when we're talking about finding a long term relationship that's not as useful as being more emotionally intelligent and in a stable career. Different goals, different populations, which all highlight the vast range of human behavior.

So Joe's making an overly reductionist argument and Adam's being very specific and maybe a bit pedantic about his definitions, but overall Adam's main point about misattributing evolutionary biology and psychology to more modern cultural trends is valid.
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Alpha males don't exist as a general rule. Wolves don't have alphas. That's a myth perpetuated by some guy and people still believe it. It's basically as true as gum taking 7 years to digest or whatever else people used to believe

That said, masculine and dominating behaviors do exist, and that's usually what people mean by alpha

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People's folk psychology doesn't live up to reality?!

Next you're going to tell me MBTI isn't valid!

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This taking a general personality type and saying it technically doesnt exist.
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Lairen posted...

This taking a general personality type and saying it technically doesnt exist.

Personality types typically aren't actually observed (and to the extent to which personality is a real thing to begin with it is a pretty weak predictor of behavior).

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BlameAnesthesia posted...

Joe is creating a synonymous depiction of alpha to mean--strong, confident, etc, whereas the beta is introverted and anxious. The problem with Joe's argument is it dichotomizes people into two camps. That's overly reductionist. People are complex. Not everyone who is introverted is anxious, unconfident, and neurotic.

This. I mean, this is just like people who misread "survival of the fittest" when it comes to evolution to mean "only the biggest and strongest" when it actually means "whatever is best suited to its environment"

Humans (and men especially, let's be honest) have a very rudimentary and childish notion of what it means to be "strong" (or "alpha")

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BilalPowell posted...

Wolves though

Human society is a lot more complex than freakin' wolves.

Not to mention there are typically multiple alphas in a wolf pack, contrary to common human interpretation. (It's not like an alpha is "king" of the wolves)

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HylianFox posted...

Human society is a lot more complex than freakin' wolves.

Not to mention there are typically multiple alphas in a wolf pack, contrary to common human interpretation. (It's not like an alpha is "king" of the wolves)

"Alphas" in wolves are just largely parents.

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What about Alpha Chimps, Alpha Dogs, Alpha Deer, Alpha Gorillas
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No one worthwhile would ever take a man that sounds like this seriously.

Is this is same video where he claims alpha males don't exist and then casually drops alpha females in one of his arguments wihout irony?
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Why would anyone listen to a beta talk about how his superiors do not exist ?

Sounds like he is hoping if he tells the lie enough times others with believe it.
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

Why would anyone listen to a beta talk about how his superiors do not exist ?

Sounds like he is hoping if he tells the lie enough times others with believe it.

In his defense, he probably gets laid, so maybe he's "beta" in the sense that he's a nerd and not Dwayne Johnson, but he's also not an incel who buys into incel ideology.
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

Orlando_Jordan posted...

Post the vid. I want to see this.

https://youtu.be/F4yz-P94n0Q

What I see is a doughy, nerdy guy trying really hard to argue that women aren't attracted to tall, physically fit guys.