Poll of the Day > How Andrew yang would support $1000 UBI bill

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Kyuubi4269 12/01/19 8:30:17 PM #51:	Aaantlion posted... Because apparently a person can't be trained to do something. A lot of people are terminally stupid and struggle mentally to stack shelves. LinkPizza posted... Not everyone can. Especially at certain points in your life. Especially if theyve always done one specific thing. It definitely can be hard to teach an old dog new tricks... Old dog should should retire. We don't need useless people working, but if we want them around we can still feed them. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:930974449] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote>Because apparently a person can't be trained to do something.</quote> A lot of people are terminally stupid and struggle mentally to stack shelves. LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Not everyone can. Especially at certain points in your life. Especially if theyve always done one specific thing. It definitely can be hard to teach an old dog new tricks...</quote> Old dog should should retire. We don't need useless people working, but if we want them around we can still feed them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/01/19 8:33:46 PM #52:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Old dog should should retire. We don't need useless people working, but if we want them around we can still feed them. Some people cant afford to retire... Not in this economy... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930974618] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Old dog should should retire. We don't need useless people working, but if we want them around we can still feed them.</quote> Some people cant afford to retire... Not in this economy...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 12/01/19 8:37:45 PM #53:	The problem with retraining programs is that theyre abysmally unsuccessful Historically they have a success rating of around 1% and the remaining workforce either ends up resigning themselves to working multiple part time jobs with little to no benefits, or leaving the workforce entirely --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:930974796] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>The problem with retraining programs is that theyre abysmally unsuccessful Historically they have a success rating of around 1% and the remaining workforce either ends up resigning themselves to working multiple part time jobs with little to no benefits, or leaving the workforce entirely</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 12/01/19 8:45:37 PM #54:	LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... Old dog should should retire. We don't need useless people working, but if we want them around we can still feed them. Some people cant afford to retire... Not in this economy... Maybe with an income guaranteed without work... --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:930975131] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Old dog should should retire. We don't need useless people working, but if we want them around we can still feed them.</quote> Some people cant afford to retire... Not in this economy...</quote> Maybe with an income guaranteed without work...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/01/19 8:54:09 PM #55:	Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... Old dog should should retire. We don't need useless people working, but if we want them around we can still feed them. Some people cant afford to retire... Not in this economy... Maybe with an income guaranteed without work... If youre talking about the $1000 a month, thats not even close to enough for some people... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930975491] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Old dog should should retire. We don't need useless people working, but if we want them around we can still feed them.</quote> Some people cant afford to retire... Not in this economy...</quote> Maybe with an income guaranteed without work...</quote> If youre talking about the $1000 a month, thats not even close to enough for some people...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 12/01/19 9:39:03 PM #56:	LinkPizza posted... If youre talking about the $1000 a month, thats not even close to enough for some people... no but if you don't need it, save it. I am sure you would have a lot more then anything social security can provide if you saved it over a lifetime. --- MICHALECOLE is the greatest poster of all time I have literally watched him bang my mom before <cite>yutterh posted [p:930977358] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>If youre talking about the $1000 a month, thats not even close to enough for some people...</quote> no but if you don't need it, save it. I am sure you would have a lot more then anything social security can provide if you saved it over a lifetime. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/01/19 9:57:46 PM #57:	yutterh posted... LinkPizza posted... If youre talking about the $1000 a month, thats not even close to enough for some people... no but if you don't need it, save it. I am sure you would have a lot more then anything social security can provide if you saved it over a lifetime. Sure... But that's not what we were talking about... The main point of the conversation was about people not being able to work, or make enough to live, so I don't know how you comment fits into that discussion... No offense or anything... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930978195] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>If youre talking about the $1000 a month, thats not even close to enough for some people...</quote> no but if you don't need it, save it. I am sure you would have a lot more then anything social security can provide if you saved it over a lifetime. </quote> Sure... But that's not what we were talking about... The main point of the conversation was about people not being able to work, or make enough to live, so I don't know how you comment fits into that discussion... No offense or anything...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 12/01/19 10:49:54 PM #58:	LinkPizza posted... Sure... But that's not what we were talking about... The main point of the conversation was about people not being able to work, or make enough to live, so I don't know how you comment fits into that discussion... No offense or anything... I don't know why i butted in either...... --- MICHALECOLE is the greatest poster of all time I have literally watched him bang my mom before <cite>yutterh posted [p:930980584] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Sure... But that's not what we were talking about... The main point of the conversation was about people not being able to work, or make enough to live, so I don't know how you comment fits into that discussion... No offense or anything...</quote> I don't know why i butted in either...... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 12/01/19 10:59:22 PM #59:	The interview just underscores that Andrew Yang is a joke. His entire plan is based on theories where he fundamentally misunderstands effects, such as believing that UBI is the cure for incarceration despite the fact that many crimes have little to do with peoples' ability to afford something, ignores that UBI will create inflation that drives up costs on all Americans, etc. And he just tosses out completely speculative math for much of it. He's like Jill Stein, but worse. Not to mention that he doesn't understand that VATs create costs that get passed along to consumers. yutterh posted... Also ubi only $1000, you cant live off of that Assuming it's non-taxable and depending on your circumstances (particularly if "free" universal healthcare is passed and that burden is shifted onto your taxes), you kinda can. Granted, even if it was taxable, that alone could fall into a non-taxable bracket. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:930981015] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>The interview just underscores that Andrew Yang is a joke. His entire plan is based on theories where he fundamentally misunderstands effects, such as believing that UBI is the cure for incarceration despite the fact that many crimes have little to do with peoples' ability to afford something, ignores that UBI will create inflation that drives up costs on all Americans, etc. And he just tosses out completely speculative math for much of it. He's like Jill Stein, but worse. Not to mention that he doesn't understand that VATs create costs that get passed along to consumers. yutterh posted...</cite> <quote>Also ubi only $1000, you cant live off of that </quote> Assuming it's non-taxable and depending on your circumstances (particularly if "free" universal healthcare is passed and that burden is shifted onto your taxes), you kinda can. Granted, even if it was taxable, that alone could fall into a non-taxable bracket.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/01/19 11:03:53 PM #60:	yutterh posted... LinkPizza posted... Sure... But that's not what we were talking about... The main point of the conversation was about people not being able to work, or make enough to live, so I don't know how you comment fits into that discussion... No offense or anything... I don't know why i butted in either...... I mean, it's ok to join the conversation. It was just kind of a weird comment because it didn't really have anything to do with the current conversation we were having at the time... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930981192] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Sure... But that's not what we were talking about... The main point of the conversation was about people not being able to work, or make enough to live, so I don't know how you comment fits into that discussion... No offense or anything...</quote> I don't know why i butted in either...... </quote> I mean, it's ok to join the conversation. It was just kind of a weird comment because it didn't really have anything to do with the current conversation we were having at the time...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/01/19 11:06:26 PM #61:	Zeus posted... ignores that UBI will create inflation that drives up costs on all Americans, etc. Zeus posted... Not to mention that he doesn't understand that VATs create costs that get passed along to consumers. This is probably what worries me the most. We get an extra $1000 that means that price of many things will go up. Not to mention, landlords will start raising the prices of rent, probably... I could definitely see my shitty landlord making me pay and extra couple hundred bucks for this shitty house. Maybe even an extrs thousand. Either way, she'll try to steal my extra money, if I got it... Except I need that extra money to pay for all the stuff that will go up in price... Zeus posted... Assuming it's non-taxable and depending on your circumstances (particularly if "free" universal healthcare is passed and that burden is shifted onto your taxes), you kinda can. Granted, even if it was taxable, that alone could fall into a non-taxable bracket. Doesn't that depend on where you live? Though, even in a cheap area like I'm in, I don't think that's enough... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930981305] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>ignores that UBI will create inflation that drives up costs on all Americans, etc.</quote> Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Not to mention that he doesn't understand that VATs create costs that get passed along to consumers.</quote> This is probably what worries me the most. We get an extra $1000 that means that price of many things will go up. Not to mention, landlords will start raising the prices of rent, probably... I could definitely see my shitty landlord making me pay and extra couple hundred bucks for this shitty house. Maybe even an extrs thousand. Either way, she'll try to steal my extra money, if I got it... Except I need that extra money to pay for all the stuff that will go up in price... Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Assuming it's non-taxable and depending on your circumstances (particularly if "free" universal healthcare is passed and that burden is shifted onto your taxes), you kinda can. Granted, even if it was taxable, that alone could fall into a non-taxable bracket.</quote> Doesn't that depend on where you live? Though, even in a cheap area like I'm in, I don't think that's enough...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 12/01/19 11:16:28 PM #62:	Zeus posted... The interview just underscores that Andrew Yang is a joke. His entire plan is based on theories where he fundamentally misunderstands effects, such as believing that UBI is the cure for incarceration despite the fact that many crimes have little to do with peoples' ability to afford something, ignores that UBI will create inflation that drives up costs on all Americans, etc. And he just tosses out completely speculative math for much of it. He's like Jill Stein, but worse. Not to mention that he doesn't understand that VATs create costs that get passed along to consumers. Assuming it's non-taxable and depending on your circumstances (particularly if "free" universal healthcare is passed and that burden is shifted onto your taxes), you kinda can. Granted, even if it was taxable, that alone could fall into a non-taxable bracket. It isn't a cure and he doesn't say it is. But it will help keep petty crimes down. He also plans to decriminalize drug use, so you won't go to jail just for using the drug. Drug dealers will still go to jail. Sure it isn't a cure all but it will immensely help people that are in tough situations who commit crimes out of necessity. I also don't believe the UBI will raise inflation that much, Sure it will probably increase costs some what in reply to the vat tax but not enough to out do the UBI. Heck many probably won't increase prices since they will be selling a lot more items. Since demand will most likely increase, economics 101. It is also a infinitely better option then forcing the minimum wage to increase which will have a much more devastating effect on the economy and jobs. This is definitely also a better option then trickle down economy model. This will help smaller communities and towns immensely, it will be much safer to open up a new business or be a entrepreneur. The thing with Yang's UBI is the pro's drastically out way the cons. Sure some adjustments will need to be made but it will be very helpful to a lot of people. Heck it isn't even really for us who are doing decent or well, it is to help those who are struggling, losing jobs to; automation, minimum wage increases, medical issues, forced medical coverage, dying business's etc. Also yang will have single payer medicare for all and keep private healthcare. It is most likely not taxable and sure you can live off that if you live with your parents and have them pay all your bills. Where in the united states can you afford rent, utilities, food, luxury goods, etc all on $1000 a month? --- MICHALECOLE is the greatest poster of all time I have literally watched him bang my mom before <cite>yutterh posted [p:930981728] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>The interview just underscores that Andrew Yang is a joke. His entire plan is based on theories where he fundamentally misunderstands effects, such as believing that UBI is the cure for incarceration despite the fact that many crimes have little to do with peoples' ability to afford something, ignores that UBI will create inflation that drives up costs on all Americans, etc. And he just tosses out completely speculative math for much of it. He's like Jill Stein, but worse. Not to mention that he doesn't understand that VATs create costs that get passed along to consumers. Assuming it's non-taxable and depending on your circumstances (particularly if "free" universal healthcare is passed and that burden is shifted onto your taxes), you kinda can. Granted, even if it was taxable, that alone could fall into a non-taxable bracket.</quote> It isn't a cure and he doesn't say it is. But it will help keep petty crimes down. He also plans to decriminalize drug use, so you won't go to jail just for using the drug. Drug dealers will still go to jail. Sure it isn't a cure all but it will immensely help people that are in tough situations who commit crimes out of necessity. I also don't believe the UBI will raise inflation that much, Sure it will probably increase costs some what in reply to the vat tax but not enough to out do the UBI. Heck many probably won't increase prices since they will be selling a lot more items. Since demand will most likely increase, economics 101. It is also a infinitely better option then forcing the minimum wage to increase which will have a much more devastating effect on the economy and jobs. This is definitely also a better option then trickle down economy model. This will help smaller communities and towns immensely, it will be much safer to open up a new business or be a entrepreneur. The thing with Yang's UBI is the pro's drastically out way the cons. Sure some adjustments will need to be made but it will be very helpful to a lot of people. Heck it isn't even really for us who are doing decent or well, it is to help those who are struggling, losing jobs to; automation, minimum wage increases, medical issues, forced medical coverage, dying business's etc. Also yang will have single payer medicare for all and keep private healthcare. It is most likely not taxable and sure you can live off that if you live with your parents and have them pay all your bills. Where in the united states can you afford rent, utilities, food, luxury goods, etc all on $1000 a month? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 12/01/19 11:20:55 PM #63:	LinkPizza posted... This is probably what worries me the most. We get an extra $1000 that means that price of many things will go up. Not to mention, landlords will start raising the prices of rent, probably... I could definitely see my shitty landlord making me pay and extra couple hundred bucks for this shitty house. Maybe even an extrs thousand. Either way, she'll try to steal my extra money, if I got it... Except I need that extra money to pay for all the stuff that will go up in price... Doesn't that depend on where you live? Though, even in a cheap area like I'm in, I don't think that's enough... From my understanding it is illegal to drastically increase rent. If anything I am sure yang, states, cities, counties etc will control the rent price hikes. Not everything is gonna magically surge in inflation. Why increase your prices when you can sell more products at a slight 10% increase do to VAT? Personally it doens't make sense to increase the price of everything so high that people will be right back where they started. Also the VAT tax is mainly put into place so companies like amazon, goodle, and facebook will be forced to pay their taxes. Not to mention data sharing and autommated trucks will be charged as well. It will not be gloom and doom and is a much better option then bernie's forced minimum wage increase. --- MICHALECOLE is the greatest poster of all time I have literally watched him bang my mom before <cite>yutterh posted [p:930981897] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>This is probably what worries me the most. We get an extra $1000 that means that price of many things will go up. Not to mention, landlords will start raising the prices of rent, probably... I could definitely see my shitty landlord making me pay and extra couple hundred bucks for this shitty house. Maybe even an extrs thousand. Either way, she'll try to steal my extra money, if I got it... Except I need that extra money to pay for all the stuff that will go up in price... Doesn't that depend on where you live? Though, even in a cheap area like I'm in, I don't think that's enough...</quote> From my understanding it is illegal to drastically increase rent. If anything I am sure yang, states, cities, counties etc will control the rent price hikes. Not everything is gonna magically surge in inflation. Why increase your prices when you can sell more products at a slight 10% increase do to VAT? Personally it doens't make sense to increase the price of everything so high that people will be right back where they started. Also the VAT tax is mainly put into place so companies like amazon, goodle, and facebook will be forced to pay their taxes. Not to mention data sharing and autommated trucks will be charged as well. It will not be gloom and doom and is a much better option then bernie's forced minimum wage increase. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/02/19 12:19:18 AM #64:	yutterh posted... LinkPizza posted... This is probably what worries me the most. We get an extra $1000 that means that price of many things will go up. Not to mention, landlords will start raising the prices of rent, probably... I could definitely see my shitty landlord making me pay and extra couple hundred bucks for this shitty house. Maybe even an extrs thousand. Either way, she'll try to steal my extra money, if I got it... Except I need that extra money to pay for all the stuff that will go up in price... Doesn't that depend on where you live? Though, even in a cheap area like I'm in, I don't think that's enough... From my understanding it is illegal to drastically increase rent. If anything I am sure yang, states, cities, counties etc will control the rent price hikes. Not everything is gonna magically surge in inflation. Why increase your prices when you can sell more products at a slight 10% increase do to VAT? Personally it doens't make sense to increase the price of everything so high that people will be right back where they started. Also the VAT tax is mainly put into place so companies like amazon, goodle, and facebook will be forced to pay their taxes. Not to mention data sharing and autommated trucks will be charged as well. It will not be gloom and doom and is a much better option then bernie's forced minimum wage increase. It doesn't have to be drastic at all. It can be $25, $50, or $100 each year. You can already up prices when needed to. And a little each year is probably pretty legal, tbh. And that's if you sell more. Who's to say you're going to sell ore just because people have more money. People that need that money will probably use it on bills before spending it frivolously. 78% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. So, they might not buy more stuff because they have a little extra each month. And why not raise prices? You know people will have the funds for it... Not to mention, those companies have to make back the money they are losing... And you act like they care if we go back to where we started. They probably don't. As long as they are making money, people could care less if the rest of the country is in the same boat as before... And I'm not big on automated stuff, anyway. I'd get rid of it if I could, tbh... The only real difference between this and raising minimum wage is this could affect everybody. Though, people who probably need it (like people already getting government assistance) won't be able to get it without getting rid of whatever assistance they already have, so... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930984166] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>This is probably what worries me the most. We get an extra $1000 that means that price of many things will go up. Not to mention, landlords will start raising the prices of rent, probably... I could definitely see my shitty landlord making me pay and extra couple hundred bucks for this shitty house. Maybe even an extrs thousand. Either way, she'll try to steal my extra money, if I got it... Except I need that extra money to pay for all the stuff that will go up in price... Doesn't that depend on where you live? Though, even in a cheap area like I'm in, I don't think that's enough...</quote> From my understanding it is illegal to drastically increase rent. If anything I am sure yang, states, cities, counties etc will control the rent price hikes. Not everything is gonna magically surge in inflation. Why increase your prices when you can sell more products at a slight 10% increase do to VAT? Personally it doens't make sense to increase the price of everything so high that people will be right back where they started. Also the VAT tax is mainly put into place so companies like amazon, goodle, and facebook will be forced to pay their taxes. Not to mention data sharing and autommated trucks will be charged as well. It will not be gloom and doom and is a much better option then bernie's forced minimum wage increase.</quote> It doesn't have to be drastic at all. It can be $25, $50, or $100 each year. You can already up prices when needed to. And a little each year is probably pretty legal, tbh. And that's if you sell more. Who's to say you're going to sell ore just because people have more money. People that need that money will probably use it on bills before spending it frivolously. 78% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. So, they might not buy more stuff because they have a little extra each month. And why not raise prices? You know people will have the funds for it... Not to mention, those companies have to make back the money they are losing... And you act like they care if we go back to where we started. They probably don't. As long as they are making money, people could care less if the rest of the country is in the same boat as before... And I'm not big on automated stuff, anyway. I'd get rid of it if I could, tbh... The only real difference between this and raising minimum wage is this could affect everybody. Though, people who probably need it (like people already getting government assistance) won't be able to get it without getting rid of whatever assistance they already have, so...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/02/19 12:25:28 AM #65:	yutterh posted... It is most likely not taxable and sure you can live off that if you live with your parents and have them pay all your bills. Where in the united states can you afford rent, utilities, food, luxury goods, etc all on $1000 a month? Not everybody can live with their parents for various reasons. And even the ones who could can't always live a decent life with them. And in most places, you can't afford everything (rent, utilities, food, etc.) on $1000 a month. I live in a very cheap area, and it would be almost impossible on it's own. Maybe with another person... in certain homes... Not to mention other payments you may need to make to live comfortably instead of in constant worry, or being super uncomfortable by just living... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930984341] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote>It is most likely not taxable and sure you can live off that if you live with your parents and have them pay all your bills. Where in the united states can you afford rent, utilities, food, luxury goods, etc all on $1000 a month?</quote> Not everybody can live with their parents for various reasons. And even the ones who could can't always live a decent life with them. And in most places, you can't afford everything (rent, utilities, food, etc.) on $1000 a month. I live in a very cheap area, and it would be almost impossible on it's own. Maybe with another person... in certain homes... Not to mention other payments you may need to make to live comfortably instead of in constant worry, or being super uncomfortable by just living...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nogaems 12/02/19 12:44:26 AM #66:	LinkPizza posted... We get an extra $1000 that means that price of many things will go up. Yup, and when you dont have that extra $1k, companies + your landlord will feel bad and never ever raise their prices... --- (CATS DON'T DANCE TO MY BEATS) <cite>nogaems posted [p:930984918] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>We get an extra $1000 that means that price of many things will go up.</quote> Yup, and when you dont have that extra $1k, companies + your landlord will feel bad and never ever raise their prices... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/02/19 12:50:50 AM #67:	nogaems posted... LinkPizza posted... We get an extra $1000 that means that price of many things will go up. Yup, and when you dont have that extra $1k, companies + your landlord will feel bad and never ever raise their prices... Don't get me wrong. I know prices will go up normally. But I feel the jump may be bigger, and they make up the price more times than normal, if we start getting this extra $1000 a month. Mainly because they know we have the money to pay for whatever we're paying for... It has nothing to do with feeling bad, and I don't know where you got that from... For example, my landlord has raised the price once. But probably won't do it too often, because she knows I'd move out in the rent rose every year. Especially if the reason is I don't have the money to pay the extra amounts. But with an extra $1000, she might raise it since she knows I have the extra money and can afford it. And could probably be fine if she didn't have a tenant for a month or two if I decide to move out after the price raises... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930985130] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>nogaems posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>We get an extra $1000 that means that price of many things will go up.</quote> Yup, and when you dont have that extra $1k, companies + your landlord will feel bad and never ever raise their prices...</quote> Don't get me wrong. I know prices will go up normally. But I feel the jump may be bigger, and they make up the price more times than normal, if we start getting this extra $1000 a month. Mainly because they know we have the money to pay for whatever we're paying for... It has nothing to do with feeling bad, and I don't know where you got that from... For example, my landlord has raised the price once. But probably won't do it too often, because she knows I'd move out in the rent rose every year. Especially if the reason is I don't have the money to pay the extra amounts. But with an extra $1000, she might raise it since she knows I have the extra money and can afford it. And could probably be fine if she didn't have a tenant for a month or two if I decide to move out after the price raises...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 12/02/19 1:00:34 AM #68:	LinkPizza posted... nogaems posted... LinkPizza posted... We get an extra $1000 that means that price of many things will go up. Yup, and when you dont have that extra $1k, companies + your landlord will feel bad and never ever raise their prices... Don't get me wrong. I know prices will go up normally. But I feel the jump may be bigger, and they make up the price more times than normal, if we start getting this extra $1000 a month. Mainly because they know we have the money to pay for whatever we're paying for... It has nothing to do with feeling bad, and I don't know where you got that from... For example, my landlord has raised the price once. But probably won't do it too often, because she knows I'd move out in the rent rose every year. Especially if the reason is I don't have the money to pay the extra amounts. But with an extra $1000, she might raise it since she knows I have the extra money and can afford it. And could probably be fine if she didn't have a tenant for a month or two if I decide to move out after the price raises... With an extra $1000 a month though it would be a lot easier to move if it turns out your landlord is just being a dick --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:930985384] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>nogaems posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>We get an extra $1000 that means that price of many things will go up.</quote> Yup, and when you dont have that extra $1k, companies + your landlord will feel bad and never ever raise their prices...</quote> Don't get me wrong. I know prices will go up normally. But I feel the jump may be bigger, and they make up the price more times than normal, if we start getting this extra $1000 a month. Mainly because they know we have the money to pay for whatever we're paying for... It has nothing to do with feeling bad, and I don't know where you got that from... For example, my landlord has raised the price once. But probably won't do it too often, because she knows I'd move out in the rent rose every year. Especially if the reason is I don't have the money to pay the extra amounts. But with an extra $1000, she might raise it since she knows I have the extra money and can afford it. And could probably be fine if she didn't have a tenant for a month or two if I decide to move out after the price raises...</quote> With an extra $1000 a month though it would be a lot easier to move if it turns out your landlord is just being a dick</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/02/19 1:32:34 AM #69:	Mead posted... LinkPizza posted... nogaems posted... LinkPizza posted... We get an extra $1000 that means that price of many things will go up. Yup, and when you dont have that extra $1k, companies + your landlord will feel bad and never ever raise their prices... Don't get me wrong. I know prices will go up normally. But I feel the jump may be bigger, and they make up the price more times than normal, if we start getting this extra $1000 a month. Mainly because they know we have the money to pay for whatever we're paying for... It has nothing to do with feeling bad, and I don't know where you got that from... For example, my landlord has raised the price once. But probably won't do it too often, because she knows I'd move out in the rent rose every year. Especially if the reason is I don't have the money to pay the extra amounts. But with an extra $1000, she might raise it since she knows I have the extra money and can afford it. And could probably be fine if she didn't have a tenant for a month or two if I decide to move out after the price raises... With an extra $1000 a month though it would be a lot easier to move if it turns out your landlord is just being a dick Maybe... Though, it depends on if other landlords raise the price, as well... I wouldn't think it'd be an isolated incident. Many landlords would do it without hesitation. Mainly because they know people will move in, even with higher prices. Mostly because of the extra $1000. Plus, most people need a place to live. And with so many college kids and military members, they'll eventually hook someone... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930986226] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>nogaems posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>We get an extra $1000 that means that price of many things will go up.</quote> Yup, and when you dont have that extra $1k, companies + your landlord will feel bad and never ever raise their prices...</quote> Don't get me wrong. I know prices will go up normally. But I feel the jump may be bigger, and they make up the price more times than normal, if we start getting this extra $1000 a month. Mainly because they know we have the money to pay for whatever we're paying for... It has nothing to do with feeling bad, and I don't know where you got that from... For example, my landlord has raised the price once. But probably won't do it too often, because she knows I'd move out in the rent rose every year. Especially if the reason is I don't have the money to pay the extra amounts. But with an extra $1000, she might raise it since she knows I have the extra money and can afford it. And could probably be fine if she didn't have a tenant for a month or two if I decide to move out after the price raises...</quote> With an extra $1000 a month though it would be a lot easier to move if it turns out your landlord is just being a dick</quote> Maybe... Though, it depends on if other landlords raise the price, as well... I wouldn't think it'd be an isolated incident. Many landlords would do it without hesitation. Mainly because they know people will move in, even with higher prices. Mostly because of the extra $1000. Plus, most people need a place to live. And with so many college kids and military members, they'll eventually hook someone...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nogaems 12/02/19 2:59:59 AM #70:	LinkPizza posted... Maybe... Though, it depends on if other landlords raise the price, as well... I wouldn't think it'd be an isolated incident. Many landlords would do it without hesitation. Mainly because they know people will move in, even with higher prices. Mostly because of the extra $1000. Plus, most people need a place to live. And with so many college kids and military members, they'll eventually hook someone... Hey man, if you really don't want the money, just say so. No need for the mental gymnastics What you're describing is already the current situation, minus the money you're arguing against. Just to put things into perspective, my city has lowest wage growth of any major city in the US despite the soaring housing costs in the area. I could give you anecdotes to show that you're assumptions are not accurate for all landlords, but the numbers from official sources should be enough to show that the housing market does not give a fuck about how much or how little you have in your bank account. https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/scott-maxwell-commentary/os-op-orlando-lowest-wages-america-scott-maxwell-20190405-story.html --- (CATS DON'T DANCE TO MY BEATS) <cite>nogaems posted [p:930988218] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Maybe... Though, it depends on if other landlords raise the price, as well... I wouldn't think it'd be an isolated incident. Many landlords would do it without hesitation. Mainly because they know people will move in, even with higher prices. Mostly because of the extra $1000. Plus, most people need a place to live. And with so many college kids and military members, they'll eventually hook someone...</quote> Hey man, if you really don't want the money, just say so. No need for the mental gymnastics What you're describing is already the current situation, minus the money you're arguing against. Just to put things into perspective, my city has lowest wage growth of any major city in the US despite the soaring housing costs in the area. I could give you anecdotes to show that you're assumptions are not accurate for all landlords, but the numbers from official sources should be enough to show that the housing market does not give a fuck about how much or how little you have in your bank account. https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/scott-maxwell-commentary/os-op-orlando-lowest-wages-america-scott-maxwell-20190405-story.html </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/02/19 3:17:10 AM #71:	nogaems posted... LinkPizza posted... Maybe... Though, it depends on if other landlords raise the price, as well... I wouldn't think it'd be an isolated incident. Many landlords would do it without hesitation. Mainly because they know people will move in, even with higher prices. Mostly because of the extra $1000. Plus, most people need a place to live. And with so many college kids and military members, they'll eventually hook someone... Hey man, if you really don't want the money, just say so. No need for the mental gymnastics What you're describing is already the current situation, minus the money you're arguing against. Just to put things into perspective, my city has lowest wage growth of any major city in the US despite the soaring housing costs in the area. I could give you anecdotes to show that you're assumptions are not accurate for all landlords, but the numbers from official sources should be enough to show that the housing market does not give a fuck about how much or how little you have in your bank account. https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/scott-maxwell-commentary/os-op-orlando-lowest-wages-america-scott-maxwell-20190405-story.html No. I already said I didnt want VATs to be a thing. Though, if it becomes a thing, than I have to take he money to survive. Ive said it other topics, as well... No need for mental gymnastics. Its just how life works. And while the market may not care, landlords probably will. Especially the horribly greedy one around here. If you give everybody $1000 extra a month, landlords are most likely going to want some of it. Not to mention, the people who have it up will probably try to get some of it back through by selling it for more to the store, who pass on the extra price to us... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930988589] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>nogaems posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Maybe... Though, it depends on if other landlords raise the price, as well... I wouldn't think it'd be an isolated incident. Many landlords would do it without hesitation. Mainly because they know people will move in, even with higher prices. Mostly because of the extra $1000. Plus, most people need a place to live. And with so many college kids and military members, they'll eventually hook someone...</quote> Hey man, if you really don't want the money, just say so. No need for the mental gymnastics What you're describing is already the current situation, minus the money you're arguing against. Just to put things into perspective, my city has lowest wage growth of any major city in the US despite the soaring housing costs in the area. I could give you anecdotes to show that you're assumptions are not accurate for all landlords, but the numbers from official sources should be enough to show that the housing market does not give a fuck about how much or how little you have in your bank account. https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/scott-maxwell-commentary/os-op-orlando-lowest-wages-america-scott-maxwell-20190405-story.html </quote> No. I already said I didnt want VATs to be a thing. Though, if it becomes a thing, than I have to take he money to survive. Ive said it other topics, as well... No need for mental gymnastics. Its just how life works. And while the market may not care, landlords probably will. Especially the horribly greedy one around here. If you give everybody $1000 extra a month, landlords are most likely going to want some of it. Not to mention, the people who have it up will probably try to get some of it back through by selling it for more to the store, who pass on the extra price to us...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 12/02/19 4:02:01 AM #72:	Keep in mind that landlord is getting the money too. Some are always gonna be pricks but some might not feel the need to really turn the screws on their tenants pocketbooks when theyre getting a bit of a financial buffer themselves. --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:930989263] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>Keep in mind that landlord is getting the money too. Some are always gonna be pricks but some might not feel the need to really turn the screws on their tenants pocketbooks when theyre getting a bit of a financial buffer themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 12/02/19 5:04:28 AM #73:	LinkPizza posted... And while the market may not care, landlords probably will. Especially the horribly greedy one around here. If you give everybody $1000 extra a month, landlords are most likely going to want some of it. Not to mention, the people who have it up will probably try to get some of it back through by selling it for more to the store, who pass on the extra price to us... They already charge more than you can afford because the market is saturated. The only difference is when you're unemployed they could get that UBI money so there's reason to make property that milks the UBI only people. While you may be no better off while working, you may be able to get by a bit better if you got laid off than you would otherwise. Let's also note that prices will spike because nobody is keeping them in check, something else that sorely needs to be addressed. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:930990093] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>And while the market may not care, landlords probably will. Especially the horribly greedy one around here. If you give everybody $1000 extra a month, landlords are most likely going to want some of it. Not to mention, the people who have it up will probably try to get some of it back through by selling it for more to the store, who pass on the extra price to us...</quote> They already charge more than you can afford because the market is saturated. The only difference is when you're unemployed they could get that UBI money so there's reason to make property that milks the UBI only people. While you may be no better off while working, you may be able to get by a bit better if you got laid off than you would otherwise. Let's also note that prices will spike because nobody is keeping them in check, something else that sorely needs to be addressed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/02/19 7:20:57 AM #74:	Mead posted... Keep in mind that landlord is getting the money too. Some are always gonna be pricks but some might not feel the need to really turn the screws on their tenants pocketbooks when theyre getting a bit of a financial buffer themselves. Yeah. There might be some that dont. But its still worrying, as the good landlords usually already have remnants... Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... And while the market may not care, landlords probably will. Especially the horribly greedy one around here. If you give everybody $1000 extra a month, landlords are most likely going to want some of it. Not to mention, the people who have it up will probably try to get some of it back through by selling it for more to the store, who pass on the extra price to us... They already charge more than you can afford because the market is saturated. The only difference is when you're unemployed they could get that UBI money so there's reason to make property that milks the UBI only people. While you may be no better off while working, you may be able to get by a bit better if you got laid off than you would otherwise. Let's also note that prices will spike because nobody is keeping them in check, something else that sorely needs to be addressed. Doesnt that depend on how much you would have made a week in unemployment fees. You might be better off taking that instead of UBI. At least for a while. You could make more than $1000 a month in unemployment. The only problem is it only last for a certain length of time. While $1000 a month is better than zero a month, it doesnt seem like it would matter if its still not enough to live per month... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930992036] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Keep in mind that landlord is getting the money too. Some are always gonna be pricks but some might not feel the need to really turn the screws on their tenants pocketbooks when theyre getting a bit of a financial buffer themselves.</quote> Yeah. There might be some that dont. But its still worrying, as the good landlords usually already have remnants... Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>And while the market may not care, landlords probably will. Especially the horribly greedy one around here. If you give everybody $1000 extra a month, landlords are most likely going to want some of it. Not to mention, the people who have it up will probably try to get some of it back through by selling it for more to the store, who pass on the extra price to us...</quote> They already charge more than you can afford because the market is saturated. The only difference is when you're unemployed they could get that UBI money so there's reason to make property that milks the UBI only people. While you may be no better off while working, you may be able to get by a bit better if you got laid off than you would otherwise. Let's also note that prices will spike because nobody is keeping them in check, something else that sorely needs to be addressed.</quote> Doesnt that depend on how much you would have made a week in unemployment fees. You might be better off taking that instead of UBI. At least for a while. You could make more than $1000 a month in unemployment. The only problem is it only last for a certain length of time. While $1000 a month is better than zero a month, it doesnt seem like it would matter if its still not enough to live per month...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 12/02/19 7:52:35 AM #75:	LinkPizza posted... Doesnt that depend on how much you would have made a week in unemployment fees. You might be better off taking that instead of UBI. At least for a while. You could make more than $1000 a month in unemployment. The only problem is it only last for a certain length of time. While $1000 a month is better than zero a month, it doesnt seem like it would matter if its still not enough to live per month... Why couldn't you do both? Over $2000 a month to see you through a rough patch is pretty great, and even without and unable to pay rent, $1000 keeps you able to look for jobs, clean up on a gym membership and live in your car. It's certainly better to have $250 a week than nothing when everything turns to shit. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:930992566] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Doesnt that depend on how much you would have made a week in unemployment fees. You might be better off taking that instead of UBI. At least for a while. You could make more than $1000 a month in unemployment. The only problem is it only last for a certain length of time. While $1000 a month is better than zero a month, it doesnt seem like it would matter if its still not enough to live per month...</quote> Why couldn't you do both? Over $2000 a month to see you through a rough patch is pretty great, and even without and unable to pay rent, $1000 keeps you able to look for jobs, clean up on a gym membership and live in your car. It's certainly better to have $250 a week than nothing when everything turns to shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/02/19 8:31:09 AM #76:	Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Doesnt that depend on how much you would have made a week in unemployment fees. You might be better off taking that instead of UBI. At least for a while. You could make more than $1000 a month in unemployment. The only problem is it only last for a certain length of time. While $1000 a month is better than zero a month, it doesnt seem like it would matter if its still not enough to live per month... Why couldn't you do both? Over $2000 a month to see you through a rough patch is pretty great, and even without and unable to pay rent, $1000 keeps you able to look for jobs, clean up on a gym membership and live in your car. It's certainly better to have $250 a week than nothing when everything turns to shit. From what I heard, you can either get the government assistance youre already getting or UBI, but not both. I think he said that in a video... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930993294] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Doesnt that depend on how much you would have made a week in unemployment fees. You might be better off taking that instead of UBI. At least for a while. You could make more than $1000 a month in unemployment. The only problem is it only last for a certain length of time. While $1000 a month is better than zero a month, it doesnt seem like it would matter if its still not enough to live per month...</quote> Why couldn't you do both? Over $2000 a month to see you through a rough patch is pretty great, and even without and unable to pay rent, $1000 keeps you able to look for jobs, clean up on a gym membership and live in your car. It's certainly better to have $250 a week than nothing when everything turns to shit.</quote> From what I heard, you can either get the government assistance youre already getting or UBI, but not both. I think he said that in a video...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 12/02/19 8:53:03 AM #77:	LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Doesnt that depend on how much you would have made a week in unemployment fees. You might be better off taking that instead of UBI. At least for a while. You could make more than $1000 a month in unemployment. The only problem is it only last for a certain length of time. While $1000 a month is better than zero a month, it doesnt seem like it would matter if its still not enough to live per month... Why couldn't you do both? Over $2000 a month to see you through a rough patch is pretty great, and even without and unable to pay rent, $1000 keeps you able to look for jobs, clean up on a gym membership and live in your car. It's certainly better to have $250 a week than nothing when everything turns to shit. From what I heard, you can either get the government assistance youre already getting or UBI, but not both. I think he said that in a video... Then it's waaaaay less expensive than fear-mongers claim. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:930993678] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Doesnt that depend on how much you would have made a week in unemployment fees. You might be better off taking that instead of UBI. At least for a while. You could make more than $1000 a month in unemployment. The only problem is it only last for a certain length of time. While $1000 a month is better than zero a month, it doesnt seem like it would matter if its still not enough to live per month...</quote> Why couldn't you do both? Over $2000 a month to see you through a rough patch is pretty great, and even without and unable to pay rent, $1000 keeps you able to look for jobs, clean up on a gym membership and live in your car. It's certainly better to have $250 a week than nothing when everything turns to shit.</quote> From what I heard, you can either get the government assistance youre already getting or UBI, but not both. I think he said that in a video...</quote> Then it's waaaaay less expensive than fear-mongers claim.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/02/19 8:55:47 AM #78:	Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Doesnt that depend on how much you would have made a week in unemployment fees. You might be better off taking that instead of UBI. At least for a while. You could make more than $1000 a month in unemployment. The only problem is it only last for a certain length of time. While $1000 a month is better than zero a month, it doesnt seem like it would matter if its still not enough to live per month... Why couldn't you do both? Over $2000 a month to see you through a rough patch is pretty great, and even without and unable to pay rent, $1000 keeps you able to look for jobs, clean up on a gym membership and live in your car. It's certainly better to have $250 a week than nothing when everything turns to shit. From what I heard, you can either get the government assistance youre already getting or UBI, but not both. I think he said that in a video... Then it's waaaaay less expensive than fear-mongers claim. So, basically, were back to not having enough to live... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930993739] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Doesnt that depend on how much you would have made a week in unemployment fees. You might be better off taking that instead of UBI. At least for a while. You could make more than $1000 a month in unemployment. The only problem is it only last for a certain length of time. While $1000 a month is better than zero a month, it doesnt seem like it would matter if its still not enough to live per month...</quote> Why couldn't you do both? Over $2000 a month to see you through a rough patch is pretty great, and even without and unable to pay rent, $1000 keeps you able to look for jobs, clean up on a gym membership and live in your car. It's certainly better to have $250 a week than nothing when everything turns to shit.</quote> From what I heard, you can either get the government assistance youre already getting or UBI, but not both. I think he said that in a video...</quote> Then it's waaaaay less expensive than fear-mongers claim.</quote> So, basically, were back to not having enough to live...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 12/02/19 9:16:45 AM #79:	LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Doesnt that depend on how much you would have made a week in unemployment fees. You might be better off taking that instead of UBI. At least for a while. You could make more than $1000 a month in unemployment. The only problem is it only last for a certain length of time. While $1000 a month is better than zero a month, it doesnt seem like it would matter if its still not enough to live per month... Why couldn't you do both? Over $2000 a month to see you through a rough patch is pretty great, and even without and unable to pay rent, $1000 keeps you able to look for jobs, clean up on a gym membership and live in your car. It's certainly better to have $250 a week than nothing when everything turns to shit. From what I heard, you can either get the government assistance youre already getting or UBI, but not both. I think he said that in a video... Then it's waaaaay less expensive than fear-mongers claim. So, basically, were back to not having enough to live... Either it's enough to wipe out an issue which justifies the price, or it helps somewhat for a much cheaper and equally justifiable price. Seriously, there's a massive difference between having not enough to rent and having genuinely nothing. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:930994203] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Doesnt that depend on how much you would have made a week in unemployment fees. You might be better off taking that instead of UBI. At least for a while. You could make more than $1000 a month in unemployment. The only problem is it only last for a certain length of time. While $1000 a month is better than zero a month, it doesnt seem like it would matter if its still not enough to live per month...</quote> Why couldn't you do both? Over $2000 a month to see you through a rough patch is pretty great, and even without and unable to pay rent, $1000 keeps you able to look for jobs, clean up on a gym membership and live in your car. It's certainly better to have $250 a week than nothing when everything turns to shit.</quote> From what I heard, you can either get the government assistance youre already getting or UBI, but not both. I think he said that in a video...</quote> Then it's waaaaay less expensive than fear-mongers claim.</quote> So, basically, were back to not having enough to live...</quote> Either it's enough to wipe out an issue which justifies the price, or it helps somewhat for a much cheaper and equally justifiable price. Seriously, there's a massive difference between having not enough to rent and having genuinely nothing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/02/19 9:20:45 AM #80:	Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Doesnt that depend on how much you would have made a week in unemployment fees. You might be better off taking that instead of UBI. At least for a while. You could make more than $1000 a month in unemployment. The only problem is it only last for a certain length of time. While $1000 a month is better than zero a month, it doesnt seem like it would matter if its still not enough to live per month... Why couldn't you do both? Over $2000 a month to see you through a rough patch is pretty great, and even without and unable to pay rent, $1000 keeps you able to look for jobs, clean up on a gym membership and live in your car. It's certainly better to have $250 a week than nothing when everything turns to shit. From what I heard, you can either get the government assistance youre already getting or UBI, but not both. I think he said that in a video... Then it's waaaaay less expensive than fear-mongers claim. So, basically, were back to not having enough to live... Either it's enough to wipe out an issue which justifies the price, or it helps somewhat for a much cheaper and equally justifiable price. Seriously, there's a massive difference between having not enough to rent and having genuinely nothing. Sure. But both could potentially leave you homeless. You get $1000 that doesnt cover rent, then realize that after not being able to pay full rent, youre broke and have nothing else to pay the rest of the bills or get food still sucks. And still doesnt actually help much... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930994310] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Doesnt that depend on how much you would have made a week in unemployment fees. You might be better off taking that instead of UBI. At least for a while. You could make more than $1000 a month in unemployment. The only problem is it only last for a certain length of time. While $1000 a month is better than zero a month, it doesnt seem like it would matter if its still not enough to live per month...</quote> Why couldn't you do both? Over $2000 a month to see you through a rough patch is pretty great, and even without and unable to pay rent, $1000 keeps you able to look for jobs, clean up on a gym membership and live in your car. It's certainly better to have $250 a week than nothing when everything turns to shit.</quote> From what I heard, you can either get the government assistance youre already getting or UBI, but not both. I think he said that in a video...</quote> Then it's waaaaay less expensive than fear-mongers claim.</quote> So, basically, were back to not having enough to live...</quote> Either it's enough to wipe out an issue which justifies the price, or it helps somewhat for a much cheaper and equally justifiable price. Seriously, there's a massive difference between having not enough to rent and having genuinely nothing.</quote> Sure. But both could potentially leave you homeless. You get $1000 that doesnt cover rent, then realize that after not being able to pay full rent, youre broke and have nothing else to pay the rest of the bills or get food still sucks. And still doesnt actually help much...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 12/02/19 10:13:47 AM #81:	LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Doesnt that depend on how much you would have made a week in unemployment fees. You might be better off taking that instead of UBI. At least for a while. You could make more than $1000 a month in unemployment. The only problem is it only last for a certain length of time. While $1000 a month is better than zero a month, it doesnt seem like it would matter if its still not enough to live per month... Why couldn't you do both? Over $2000 a month to see you through a rough patch is pretty great, and even without and unable to pay rent, $1000 keeps you able to look for jobs, clean up on a gym membership and live in your car. It's certainly better to have $250 a week than nothing when everything turns to shit. From what I heard, you can either get the government assistance youre already getting or UBI, but not both. I think he said that in a video... Then it's waaaaay less expensive than fear-mongers claim. So, basically, were back to not having enough to live... Either it's enough to wipe out an issue which justifies the price, or it helps somewhat for a much cheaper and equally justifiable price. Seriously, there's a massive difference between having not enough to rent and having genuinely nothing. Sure. But both could potentially leave you homeless. You get $1000 that doesnt cover rent, then realize that after not being able to pay full rent, youre broke and have nothing else to pay the rest of the bills or get food still sucks. And still doesnt actually help much... I'd much rather move somewhere dirt cheap and scrape by on UBI than just be broke and stealing change from fountains to get one meal a day. It helps a lot, it's just not communism. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:930995694] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Doesnt that depend on how much you would have made a week in unemployment fees. You might be better off taking that instead of UBI. At least for a while. You could make more than $1000 a month in unemployment. The only problem is it only last for a certain length of time. While $1000 a month is better than zero a month, it doesnt seem like it would matter if its still not enough to live per month...</quote> Why couldn't you do both? Over $2000 a month to see you through a rough patch is pretty great, and even without and unable to pay rent, $1000 keeps you able to look for jobs, clean up on a gym membership and live in your car. It's certainly better to have $250 a week than nothing when everything turns to shit.</quote> From what I heard, you can either get the government assistance youre already getting or UBI, but not both. I think he said that in a video...</quote> Then it's waaaaay less expensive than fear-mongers claim.</quote> So, basically, were back to not having enough to live...</quote> Either it's enough to wipe out an issue which justifies the price, or it helps somewhat for a much cheaper and equally justifiable price. Seriously, there's a massive difference between having not enough to rent and having genuinely nothing.</quote> Sure. But both could potentially leave you homeless. You get $1000 that doesnt cover rent, then realize that after not being able to pay full rent, youre broke and have nothing else to pay the rest of the bills or get food still sucks. And still doesnt actually help much...</quote> I'd much rather move somewhere dirt cheap and scrape by on UBI than just be broke and stealing change from fountains to get one meal a day. It helps a lot, it's just not communism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/02/19 11:19:20 AM #82:	Kyuubi4269 posted... I'd much rather move somewhere dirt cheap and scrape by on UBI than just be broke and stealing change from fountains to get one meal a day. It helps a lot, it's just not communism. If they can find somewhere cheap. And if they can actually move in. I know some places (cheap or not) can require a certain amount of money that you may not have just to move in. Like maybe multiple months of rent or a deposit. Or its possible all the cheap places taken... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930997940] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>I'd much rather move somewhere dirt cheap and scrape by on UBI than just be broke and stealing change from fountains to get one meal a day. It helps a lot, it's just not communism.</quote> If they can find somewhere cheap. And if they can actually move in. I know some places (cheap or not) can require a certain amount of money that you may not have just to move in. Like maybe multiple months of rent or a deposit. Or its possible all the cheap places taken...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 12/02/19 12:00:10 PM #83:	LinkPizza posted... Yeah. There might be some that dont. But its still worrying, as the good landlords usually already have remnants... Doesnt that depend on how much you would have made a week in unemployment fees. You might be better off taking that instead of UBI. At least for a while. You could make more than $1000 a month in unemployment. The only problem is it only last for a certain length of time. While $1000 a month is better than zero a month, it doesnt seem like it would matter if its still not enough to live per month... Yall are also forgetting one very important step. UBI is given to all adults. So if you have friends, family, girlfriend, wife, kids over 18, etc it can help immensely. --- MICHALECOLE is the greatest poster of all time I have literally watched him bang my mom before <cite>yutterh posted [p:930999442] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah. There might be some that dont. But its still worrying, as the good landlords usually already have remnants... Doesnt that depend on how much you would have made a week in unemployment fees. You might be better off taking that instead of UBI. At least for a while. You could make more than $1000 a month in unemployment. The only problem is it only last for a certain length of time. While $1000 a month is better than zero a month, it doesnt seem like it would matter if its still not enough to live per month...</quote> Yall are also forgetting one very important step. UBI is given to all adults. So if you have friends, family, girlfriend, wife, kids over 18, etc it can help immensely. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/02/19 12:33:49 PM #84:	yutterh posted... LinkPizza posted... Yeah. There might be some that dont. But its still worrying, as the good landlords usually already have remnants... Doesnt that depend on how much you would have made a week in unemployment fees. You might be better off taking that instead of UBI. At least for a while. You could make more than $1000 a month in unemployment. The only problem is it only last for a certain length of time. While $1000 a month is better than zero a month, it doesnt seem like it would matter if its still not enough to live per month... Yall are also forgetting one very important step. UBI is given to all adults. So if you have friends, family, girlfriend, wife, kids over 18, etc it can help immensely. If you have someone elses. And if they are willing to help... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:931000739] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah. There might be some that dont. But its still worrying, as the good landlords usually already have remnants... Doesnt that depend on how much you would have made a week in unemployment fees. You might be better off taking that instead of UBI. At least for a while. You could make more than $1000 a month in unemployment. The only problem is it only last for a certain length of time. While $1000 a month is better than zero a month, it doesnt seem like it would matter if its still not enough to live per month...</quote> Yall are also forgetting one very important step. UBI is given to all adults. So if you have friends, family, girlfriend, wife, kids over 18, etc it can help immensely. </quote> If you have someone elses. And if they are willing to help...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 12/02/19 12:40:01 PM #85:	LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... I'd much rather move somewhere dirt cheap and scrape by on UBI than just be broke and stealing change from fountains to get one meal a day. It helps a lot, it's just not communism. If they can find somewhere cheap. And if they can actually move in. I know some places (cheap or not) can require a certain amount of money that you may not have just to move in. Like maybe multiple months of rent or a deposit. Or its possible all the cheap places taken... There will be somewhere in the entire US. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:931000998] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>I'd much rather move somewhere dirt cheap and scrape by on UBI than just be broke and stealing change from fountains to get one meal a day. It helps a lot, it's just not communism.</quote> If they can find somewhere cheap. And if they can actually move in. I know some places (cheap or not) can require a certain amount of money that you may not have just to move in. Like maybe multiple months of rent or a deposit. Or its possible all the cheap places taken...</quote> There will be somewhere in the entire US.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/02/19 12:47:46 PM #86:	Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... I'd much rather move somewhere dirt cheap and scrape by on UBI than just be broke and stealing change from fountains to get one meal a day. It helps a lot, it's just not communism. If they can find somewhere cheap. And if they can actually move in. I know some places (cheap or not) can require a certain amount of money that you may not have just to move in. Like maybe multiple months of rent or a deposit. Or its possible all the cheap places taken... There will be somewhere in the entire US. If youre talking about clog states, thats even more expensive... Not to mention, if you had anyone who threw you a little money to help when they could, even if it wasnt much, probably wont be able tonof you far away... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:931001328] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>I'd much rather move somewhere dirt cheap and scrape by on UBI than just be broke and stealing change from fountains to get one meal a day. It helps a lot, it's just not communism.</quote> If they can find somewhere cheap. And if they can actually move in. I know some places (cheap or not) can require a certain amount of money that you may not have just to move in. Like maybe multiple months of rent or a deposit. Or its possible all the cheap places taken...</quote> There will be somewhere in the entire US.</quote> If youre talking about clog states, thats even more expensive... Not to mention, if you had anyone who threw you a little money to help when they could, even if it wasnt much, probably wont be able tonof you far away...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nogaems 12/02/19 1:10:12 PM #87:	LinkPizza posted... No. I already said I didnt want VATs to be a thing. Though, if it becomes a thing, than I have to take he money to survive. Ive said it other topics, as well... No need for mental gymnastics. Its just how life works. And while the market may not care, landlords probably will. Especially the horribly greedy one around here. If you give everybody $1000 extra a month, landlords are most likely going to want some of it. Not to mention, the people who have it up will probably try to get some of it back through by selling it for more to the store, who pass on the extra price to us... Only thing I see you posting up is lots of bad assumptions which is why I said what I said. If you're happy watching prices go up while wages stagnate, then good for you, I guess. There are many others who don't hold the same opinion. --- (CATS DON'T DANCE TO MY BEATS) <cite>nogaems posted [p:931002192] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>No. I already said I didnt want VATs to be a thing. Though, if it becomes a thing, than I have to take he money to survive. Ive said it other topics, as well... No need for mental gymnastics. Its just how life works. And while the market may not care, landlords probably will. Especially the horribly greedy one around here. If you give everybody $1000 extra a month, landlords are most likely going to want some of it. Not to mention, the people who have it up will probably try to get some of it back through by selling it for more to the store, who pass on the extra price to us...</quote> Only thing I see you posting up is lots of bad assumptions which is why I said what I said. If you're happy watching prices go up while wages stagnate, then good for you, I guess. There are many others who don't hold the same opinion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/02/19 1:19:25 PM #88:	nogaems posted... LinkPizza posted... No. I already said I didnt want VATs to be a thing. Though, if it becomes a thing, than I have to take he money to survive. Ive said it other topics, as well... No need for mental gymnastics. Its just how life works. And while the market may not care, landlords probably will. Especially the horribly greedy one around here. If you give everybody $1000 extra a month, landlords are most likely going to want some of it. Not to mention, the people who have it up will probably try to get some of it back through by selling it for more to the store, who pass on the extra price to us... Only thing I see you posting up is lots of bad assumptions which is why I said what I said. If you're happy watching prices go up while wages stagnate, then good for you, I guess. There are many others who don't hold the same opinion. I never said that. But you think thats what Im saying if you want. Im not here to change anyones mind, but to voice my own opinions. I never said wage should stagnate, but you can put words in my mouth if you want to fit whatever narrative you want... Also, I dont really see how not wanting VATs would be considered a wage. Probably government assistance. But wage is normally used for work... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:931002519] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>nogaems posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>No. I already said I didnt want VATs to be a thing. Though, if it becomes a thing, than I have to take he money to survive. Ive said it other topics, as well... No need for mental gymnastics. Its just how life works. And while the market may not care, landlords probably will. Especially the horribly greedy one around here. If you give everybody $1000 extra a month, landlords are most likely going to want some of it. Not to mention, the people who have it up will probably try to get some of it back through by selling it for more to the store, who pass on the extra price to us...</quote> Only thing I see you posting up is lots of bad assumptions which is why I said what I said. If you're happy watching prices go up while wages stagnate, then good for you, I guess. There are many others who don't hold the same opinion.</quote> I never said that. But you think thats what Im saying if you want. Im not here to change anyones mind, but to voice my own opinions. I never said wage should stagnate, but you can put words in my mouth if you want to fit whatever narrative you want... Also, I dont really see how not wanting VATs would be considered a wage. Probably government assistance. But wage is normally used for work...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nogaems 12/02/19 1:30:44 PM #89:	LinkPizza posted... I never said that. But you think thats what Im saying if you want. Im not here to change anyones mind, but to voice my own opinions. I never said wage should stagnate, but you can put words in my mouth if you want to fit whatever narrative you want... Also, I dont really see how not wanting VATs would be considered a wage. Probably government assistance. But wage is normally used for work... Like I said, all pessimistic assumptions and no real argument. The topic boils down to the issue of stagnating wages and government assistance. If you think there is a proposed solution from other candidates that makes more sense to you, then please share. It would make the discussion a lot more productive. --- (CATS DON'T DANCE TO MY BEATS) <cite>nogaems posted [p:931002976] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>I never said that. But you think thats what Im saying if you want. Im not here to change anyones mind, but to voice my own opinions. I never said wage should stagnate, but you can put words in my mouth if you want to fit whatever narrative you want... Also, I dont really see how not wanting VATs would be considered a wage. Probably government assistance. But wage is normally used for work...</quote> Like I said, all pessimistic assumptions and no real argument. The topic boils down to the issue of stagnating wages and government assistance. If you think there is a proposed solution from other candidates that makes more sense to you, then please share. It would make the discussion a lot more productive. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 12/02/19 1:37:26 PM #90:	LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... I'd much rather move somewhere dirt cheap and scrape by on UBI than just be broke and stealing change from fountains to get one meal a day. It helps a lot, it's just not communism. If they can find somewhere cheap. And if they can actually move in. I know some places (cheap or not) can require a certain amount of money that you may not have just to move in. Like maybe multiple months of rent or a deposit. Or its possible all the cheap places taken... There will be somewhere in the entire US. If youre talking about moving states, thats even more expensive... Not to mention, if you had anyone who threw you a little money to help when they could, even if it wasnt much, probably wont be able to if you far away... Just fill up the car and drive, man. You've got $1000, I'm sure you can find a state somewhere where the rent isn't criminal and you can pay it the following month. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:931003229] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>I'd much rather move somewhere dirt cheap and scrape by on UBI than just be broke and stealing change from fountains to get one meal a day. It helps a lot, it's just not communism.</quote> If they can find somewhere cheap. And if they can actually move in. I know some places (cheap or not) can require a certain amount of money that you may not have just to move in. Like maybe multiple months of rent or a deposit. Or its possible all the cheap places taken...</quote> There will be somewhere in the entire US.</quote> If youre talking about moving states, thats even more expensive... Not to mention, if you had anyone who threw you a little money to help when they could, even if it wasnt much, probably wont be able to if you far away...</quote> Just fill up the car and drive, man. You've got $1000, I'm sure you can find a state somewhere where the rent isn't criminal and you can pay it the following month.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/02/19 2:02:33 PM #91:	Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... I'd much rather move somewhere dirt cheap and scrape by on UBI than just be broke and stealing change from fountains to get one meal a day. It helps a lot, it's just not communism. If they can find somewhere cheap. And if they can actually move in. I know some places (cheap or not) can require a certain amount of money that you may not have just to move in. Like maybe multiple months of rent or a deposit. Or its possible all the cheap places taken... There will be somewhere in the entire US. If youre talking about moving states, thats even more expensive... Not to mention, if you had anyone who threw you a little money to help when they could, even if it wasnt much, probably wont be able to if you far away... Just fill up the car and drive, man. You've got $1000, I'm sure you can find a state somewhere where the rent isn't criminal and you can pay it the following month. Maybe. It depends on what youre bringing as well... if anything. I dont know how well that works, though... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:931004128] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>I'd much rather move somewhere dirt cheap and scrape by on UBI than just be broke and stealing change from fountains to get one meal a day. It helps a lot, it's just not communism.</quote> If they can find somewhere cheap. And if they can actually move in. I know some places (cheap or not) can require a certain amount of money that you may not have just to move in. Like maybe multiple months of rent or a deposit. Or its possible all the cheap places taken...</quote> There will be somewhere in the entire US.</quote> If youre talking about moving states, thats even more expensive... Not to mention, if you had anyone who threw you a little money to help when they could, even if it wasnt much, probably wont be able to if you far away...</quote> Just fill up the car and drive, man. You've got $1000, I'm sure you can find a state somewhere where the rent isn't criminal and you can pay it the following month.</quote> Maybe. It depends on what youre bringing as well... if anything. I dont know how well that works, though...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/02/19 2:05:32 PM #92:	nogaems posted... LinkPizza posted... I never said that. But you think thats what Im saying if you want. Im not here to change anyones mind, but to voice my own opinions. I never said wage should stagnate, but you can put words in my mouth if you want to fit whatever narrative you want... Also, I dont really see how not wanting VATs would be considered a wage. Probably government assistance. But wage is normally used for work... Like I said, all pessimistic assumptions and no real argument. The topic boils down to the issue of stagnating wages and government assistance. If you think there is a proposed solution from other candidates that makes more sense to you, then please share. It would make the discussion a lot more productive. As opposed to all the other optimistic assumptions. Anything anyone says about it is an assumption until we see it played out here. And I voiced my argument. But because you dont agree, you say theres no argument. So, again, I dont really care what you say. And its not going to stop me from posting. And I never said the others would be better. I just dont agree with VATs... As I have said many times before... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:931004252] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>nogaems posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>I never said that. But you think thats what Im saying if you want. Im not here to change anyones mind, but to voice my own opinions. I never said wage should stagnate, but you can put words in my mouth if you want to fit whatever narrative you want... Also, I dont really see how not wanting VATs would be considered a wage. Probably government assistance. But wage is normally used for work...</quote> Like I said, all pessimistic assumptions and no real argument. The topic boils down to the issue of stagnating wages and government assistance. If you think there is a proposed solution from other candidates that makes more sense to you, then please share. It would make the discussion a lot more productive.</quote> As opposed to all the other optimistic assumptions. Anything anyone says about it is an assumption until we see it played out here. And I voiced my argument. But because you dont agree, you say theres no argument. So, again, I dont really care what you say. And its not going to stop me from posting. And I never said the others would be better. I just dont agree with VATs... As I have said many times before...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 12/02/19 2:13:48 PM #93:	LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... I'd much rather move somewhere dirt cheap and scrape by on UBI than just be broke and stealing change from fountains to get one meal a day. It helps a lot, it's just not communism. If they can find somewhere cheap. And if they can actually move in. I know some places (cheap or not) can require a certain amount of money that you may not have just to move in. Like maybe multiple months of rent or a deposit. Or its possible all the cheap places taken... There will be somewhere in the entire US. If youre talking about moving states, thats even more expensive... Not to mention, if you had anyone who threw you a little money to help when they could, even if it wasnt much, probably wont be able to if you far away... Just fill up the car and drive, man. You've got $1000, I'm sure you can find a state somewhere where the rent isn't criminal and you can pay it the following month. Maybe. It depends on what youre bringing as well... if anything. I dont know how well that works, though... It works a lot better with some money than none, and that's the point. If you allow people who hit rock bottom to just wallow and die then they're just a waste. If you give them some cash, they can try to drag themselves out of their hole and be useful again. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:931004555] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>I'd much rather move somewhere dirt cheap and scrape by on UBI than just be broke and stealing change from fountains to get one meal a day. It helps a lot, it's just not communism.</quote> If they can find somewhere cheap. And if they can actually move in. I know some places (cheap or not) can require a certain amount of money that you may not have just to move in. Like maybe multiple months of rent or a deposit. Or its possible all the cheap places taken...</quote> There will be somewhere in the entire US.</quote> If youre talking about moving states, thats even more expensive... Not to mention, if you had anyone who threw you a little money to help when they could, even if it wasnt much, probably wont be able to if you far away...</quote> Just fill up the car and drive, man. You've got $1000, I'm sure you can find a state somewhere where the rent isn't criminal and you can pay it the following month.</quote> Maybe. It depends on what youre bringing as well... if anything. I dont know how well that works, though...</quote> It works a lot better with some money than none, and that's the point. If you allow people who hit rock bottom to just wallow and die then they're just a waste. If you give them some cash, they can try to drag themselves out of their hole and be useful again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/02/19 2:14:52 PM #94:	Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... I'd much rather move somewhere dirt cheap and scrape by on UBI than just be broke and stealing change from fountains to get one meal a day. It helps a lot, it's just not communism. If they can find somewhere cheap. And if they can actually move in. I know some places (cheap or not) can require a certain amount of money that you may not have just to move in. Like maybe multiple months of rent or a deposit. Or its possible all the cheap places taken... There will be somewhere in the entire US. If youre talking about moving states, thats even more expensive... Not to mention, if you had anyone who threw you a little money to help when they could, even if it wasnt much, probably wont be able to if you far away... Just fill up the car and drive, man. You've got $1000, I'm sure you can find a state somewhere where the rent isn't criminal and you can pay it the following month. Maybe. It depends on what youre bringing as well... if anything. I dont know how well that works, though... It works a lot better with some money than none, and that's the point. If you allow people who hit rock bottom to just wallow and die then they're just a waste. If you give them some cash, they can try to drag themselves out of their hole and be useful again. You youll hope they would. But its not as easy for some. What would be better is not taking their job away in the first place... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:931004605] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>I'd much rather move somewhere dirt cheap and scrape by on UBI than just be broke and stealing change from fountains to get one meal a day. It helps a lot, it's just not communism.</quote> If they can find somewhere cheap. And if they can actually move in. I know some places (cheap or not) can require a certain amount of money that you may not have just to move in. Like maybe multiple months of rent or a deposit. Or its possible all the cheap places taken...</quote> There will be somewhere in the entire US.</quote> If youre talking about moving states, thats even more expensive... Not to mention, if you had anyone who threw you a little money to help when they could, even if it wasnt much, probably wont be able to if you far away...</quote> Just fill up the car and drive, man. You've got $1000, I'm sure you can find a state somewhere where the rent isn't criminal and you can pay it the following month.</quote> Maybe. It depends on what youre bringing as well... if anything. I dont know how well that works, though...</quote> It works a lot better with some money than none, and that's the point. If you allow people who hit rock bottom to just wallow and die then they're just a waste. If you give them some cash, they can try to drag themselves out of their hole and be useful again.</quote> You youll hope they would. But its not as easy for some. What would be better is not taking their job away in the first place...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 12/02/19 2:19:10 PM #95:	LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... LinkPizza posted... If they can find somewhere cheap. And if they can actually move in. I know some places (cheap or not) can require a certain amount of money that you may not have just to move in. Like maybe multiple months of rent or a deposit. Or its possible all the cheap places taken... There will be somewhere in the entire US. If youre talking about moving states, thats even more expensive... Not to mention, if you had anyone who threw you a little money to help when they could, even if it wasnt much, probably wont be able to if you far away... Just fill up the car and drive, man. You've got $1000, I'm sure you can find a state somewhere where the rent isn't criminal and you can pay it the following month. Maybe. It depends on what youre bringing as well... if anything. I dont know how well that works, though... It works a lot better with some money than none, and that's the point. If you allow people who hit rock bottom to just wallow and die then they're just a waste. If you give them some cash, they can try to drag themselves out of their hole and be useful again. You youll hope they would. But its not as easy for some. What would be better is not taking their job away in the first place... When you're in a country predatory enough to drain somebody's every cent for a warm bed, I think we can consider that par for course. People's situations are always going to turn to shit at some point there, so there may as well be a way to get back on the horse to keep the circus going. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:931004790] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote> If they can find somewhere cheap. And if they can actually move in. I know some places (cheap or not) can require a certain amount of money that you may not have just to move in. Like maybe multiple months of rent or a deposit. Or its possible all the cheap places taken...</quote> There will be somewhere in the entire US.</quote> If youre talking about moving states, thats even more expensive... Not to mention, if you had anyone who threw you a little money to help when they could, even if it wasnt much, probably wont be able to if you far away...</quote> Just fill up the car and drive, man. You've got $1000, I'm sure you can find a state somewhere where the rent isn't criminal and you can pay it the following month.</quote> Maybe. It depends on what youre bringing as well... if anything. I dont know how well that works, though...</quote> It works a lot better with some money than none, and that's the point. If you allow people who hit rock bottom to just wallow and die then they're just a waste. If you give them some cash, they can try to drag themselves out of their hole and be useful again.</quote> You youll hope they would. But its not as easy for some. What would be better is not taking their job away in the first place...</quote> When you're in a country predatory enough to drain somebody's every cent for a warm bed, I think we can consider that par for course. People's situations are always going to turn to shit at some point there, so there may as well be a way to get back on the horse to keep the circus going.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nogaems 12/02/19 2:27:21 PM #96:	LinkPizza posted... As opposed to all the other optimistic assumptions. Anything anyone says about it is an assumption until we see it played out here. And I voiced my argument. But because you dont agree, you say theres no argument. So, again, I dont really care what you say. And its not going to stop me from posting. And I never said the others would be better. I just dont agree with VATs... As I have said many times before... If you don't know the difference between an assumption and an estimate, you can look it up instead of shutting yourself out of a discussion. --- (CATS DON'T DANCE TO MY BEATS) <cite>nogaems posted [p:931005141] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>As opposed to all the other optimistic assumptions. Anything anyone says about it is an assumption until we see it played out here. And I voiced my argument. But because you dont agree, you say theres no argument. So, again, I dont really care what you say. And its not going to stop me from posting. And I never said the others would be better. I just dont agree with VATs... As I have said many times before...</quote> If you don't know the difference between an assumption and an estimate, you can look it up instead of shutting yourself out of a discussion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/02/19 2:29:02 PM #97:	Kyuubi4269 posted... When you're in a country predatory enough to drain somebody's every cent for a warm bed, I think we can consider that par for course. People's situations are always going to turn to shit at some point there, so there may as well be a way to get back on the horse to keep the circus going. Thats what some are hoping for. I dont really see this helping much. And if it does, itll probably go to shit (and possibly ruin some lives) after some time. Whether its because it raises prices to the point where the $1000 in useless. I dont really care as long as it doesnt negatively affect my life. As I said, Im not much of a fan of VATs or automaton, so... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:931005221] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>When you're in a country predatory enough to drain somebody's every cent for a warm bed, I think we can consider that par for course. People's situations are always going to turn to shit at some point there, so there may as well be a way to get back on the horse to keep the circus going.</quote> Thats what some are hoping for. I dont really see this helping much. And if it does, itll probably go to shit (and possibly ruin some lives) after some time. Whether its because it raises prices to the point where the $1000 in useless. I dont really care as long as it doesnt negatively affect my life. As I said, Im not much of a fan of VATs or automaton, so...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/02/19 2:30:12 PM #98:	nogaems posted... LinkPizza posted... As opposed to all the other optimistic assumptions. Anything anyone says about it is an assumption until we see it played out here. And I voiced my argument. But because you dont agree, you say theres no argument. So, again, I dont really care what you say. And its not going to stop me from posting. And I never said the others would be better. I just dont agree with VATs... As I have said many times before... If you don't know the difference between an assumption and an estimate, you can look it up instead of shutting yourself out of a discussion. Whatever. In the end, we still dont know what will happen by enacting VATs. But all anybody sees is extra money without thinking about anything else surrounding that extra money. Like raising prices because people now know you have the extra money. And the place being taxed raising prices in the items because they dont want to lose money. And then people on government assistance who it would help not getting the money because theyre already getting money... Butnif you want to shut me out of whatever discussion youre having, go ahead... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:931005276] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>nogaems posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>As opposed to all the other optimistic assumptions. Anything anyone says about it is an assumption until we see it played out here. And I voiced my argument. But because you dont agree, you say theres no argument. So, again, I dont really care what you say. And its not going to stop me from posting. And I never said the others would be better. I just dont agree with VATs... As I have said many times before...</quote> If you don't know the difference between an assumption and an estimate, you can look it up instead of shutting yourself out of a discussion.</quote> Whatever. In the end, we still dont know what will happen by enacting VATs. But all anybody sees is extra money without thinking about anything else surrounding that extra money. Like raising prices because people now know you have the extra money. And the place being taxed raising prices in the items because they dont want to lose money. And then people on government assistance who it would help not getting the money because theyre already getting money... Butnif you want to shut me out of whatever discussion youre having, go ahead...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nogaems 12/02/19 2:56:14 PM #99:	LinkPizza posted... Whatever So you like to think with your heart. It's all good. You got heart kid!! --- (CATS DON'T DANCE TO MY BEATS) <cite>nogaems posted [p:931006335] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Whatever</quote> So you like to think with your heart. It's all good. You got heart kid!! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 12/02/19 3:20:54 PM #100:	nogaems posted... LinkPizza posted... Whatever So you like to think with your heart. It's all good. You got heart kid!! Why the hell does that even mean? --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:931007398] in How Andrew... [t:78183941]...</cite> <quote>nogaems posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Whatever</quote> So you like to think with your heart. It's all good. You got heart kid!! </quote>Why the hell does that even mean?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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