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What does this mean?

Who is "Us".

Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.

He was talking to the Devil because without the Devil God can't do anything.

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But God existed before the Devil and Created the Universe. God even created the Devil himself

Royal 'We'

Kings used to use it when talking about just themself

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Us referred to the other divine beings that existed.

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I'm gonna chime in and say it's the Holy Trinity, The Father, The Son & Holy Spirit.

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Jesus

uwnim posted...

Us referred to the other divine beings that existed.

Do your have more info into this line of thinking?

Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

Do your have more info into this line of thinking?

Its not that hard to find

Adam and Eve werent the only beings walking around here

If you read it carefully, the Bible is kinda clear about that

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CreekCo posted...

Its not that hard to find

Adam and Eve werent the only beings walking around here

If you read it carefully, the Bible is kinda clear about that

Thanks. I've heard of this a few times.. Wanted to gain more understanding so I made this topic

Were the Us the ones that created Man? Or were there Us asking/requesting a higher Supreme Being to create Man?

How much do you want to know?

If you just want theories, carry on I suppose.

Want a straight answer? Read the Bible for yourself and pray about it.

Ultimately, it doesnt matter how we got here. What does matter is how you chose to live this short life we have been given. Free will is a powerful gift. Not much use in chasing vainglory and information that is beyond the kin of man for a reason.

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CreekCo posted...

Want a straight answer? Read the Bible for yourself and pray about it.

You're right about that. I read the Qur'an mainly because I'm Muslim. But I take guidance from Both the Qur'an and Bible

CreekCo posted...

Ultimately, it doesnt matter how we got here. What does matter is how you chose to live this short life we have been given. Free will is a powerful gift. Not much use in chasing vainglory and information that is beyond the kin of man for a reason.

That's a fact. You're right

Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

But God existed before the Devil and Created the Universe. God even created the Devil himself

Yes but now the Devil takes charge too. It was on the contract. They mention this in the old version of the bible. The Devil wanted a ROI (return on investment) and God due to his financial situation agreed. Now it's a 50/50 partnership. Jesus was pissed from what I read.

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How could an Angel that god created be disobedient to him?
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Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

Do your have more info into this line of thinking?

John 1 explains it.

Jesus was there when God made everything.

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Curious is it not that this is there in the first book of the bible long before Jesus was born?
The isrealites had no custom of God having a son and yet here in this verse he attributes creation of man as a shared thing.
And yet, it is later revealed what this means

Hanky_Bannister posted...

How could an Angel that god created be disobedient to him?

Your mom said the same thing.

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darkphoenix181 posted...

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Curious is it not that this is there in the first book of the bible long before Jesus was born?
The isrealites had no custom of God having a son and yet here in this verse he attributes creation of man as a shared thing.
And yet, it is later revealed what this means

Authors later expand on things mentioned in their earlier works all the time. It's really not that curious.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Authors later expand on things mentioned in their earlier works all the time. It's really not that curious.

Person who wrote John did not write Genesis.

Genesis with the US existed for thousands of years of the nation said there is only one single God who created all things alone.

Thr old testament is so eloquently written to point to Christ it is not even funny. This is just one tidbit.

darkphoenix181 posted...

Person who wrote John did not write Genesis.

Genesis with the US existed for thousands of years of the nation said there is only one single God who created all things alone.

Have you never heard of the Star Wars Expanded Universe? Many authors over many years can contribute to a lore. Do you seriously think some dude at the dawn of man was interviewing some God figure?

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the old testament started in judaism and judaism was a ethno religious sect that broke out of the babylonian pagan pantheon. abrahamic religion has its roots in mesopotamian derivative paganism. it only became more monotheistic over time as it suited peoples need for unity within their own tribe and to separate themselves from others around them. the old testament has other gods in it, because of its roots in paganism, but the other gods aren't as powerful or relevant

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ThyCorndog posted...

the old testament started in judaism and judaism was a ethno religious sect that broke out of the babylonian pagan pantheon. abrahamic religion has its roots in mesopotamian derivative paganism. it only became more monotheistic over time as it suited peoples need for unity within their own tribe and to separate themselves from others around them. the old testament has other gods in it, because of its roots in paganism, but the other gods aren't as powerful or relevant

Where exactly do you claim in the Old Testament there is other gods?
Please back up the claim.

Austin_Era_II posted...

Yes but now the Devil takes charge too. It was on the contract. They mention this in the old version of the bible. The Devil wanted a ROI (return on investment) and God due to his financial situation agreed. Now it's a 50/50 partnership. Jesus was pissed from what I read.

Hanky_Bannister posted...

How could an Angel that god created be disobedient to him?

Hanky_Bannister posted...

According to an Islamic teacher I was listening to. "Iblis"(Satan) who turned to Shaitan(The Devil) was actually a "djinn"(Firelike creations/spirits). And not a full Angel(Spirits who are in complete submission to Allah's will?) of Allah(God)

https://youtu.be/-m7twsfowzg

https://youtu.be/lTEU160orz0

darkphoenix181 posted...

Where exactly do you claim in the Old Testament there is other gods?
Please back up the claim.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Deities_in_the_Hebrew_Bible

read up, I guess

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ThyCorndog posted...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Deities_in_the_Hebrew_Bible

read up, I guess

A list of the false gods that the bible says aren't real and are just stone, metal or wood is your argument saying the bible starts out as not being monotheistic?
What

I always took it to mean the Holy Trinity.

Father, Son, Holy Spirit. God in three persons, etc.

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Austin_Era_II posted...

Your mom said the same thing.

weird place to throw a your mom joke.

and did you just call my mom god?
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DevsChum posted...

I always took it to mean the Holy Trinity.

Father, Son, Holy Spirit. God in three persons, etc.

What does that even mean?

In any case God created creation through his word. The living word is Jesus Christ.

The book of Isaiah chap. 55 : 11(new American standard version) states:

11 So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it


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Marauder64 posted...

What does that even mean?

In any case God created creation through his word. The living word is Jesus Christ.

The book of Isaiah chap. 55 : 11(new American standard version) states:

11 So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it

Right, this is what makes Jesus the creator. As for the Trinity, The St. Patrick's Day guy used the illustration of a shamrock. Three leaves, one shamrock. Three persons, one God.

It's more nuanced than that, but that's the short of it.

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darkphoenix181 posted...

A list of the false gods that the bible says aren't real and are just stone, metal or wood is your argument saying the bible starts out as not being monotheistic?
What

Chemosh was portrayed as actually existing.


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uwnim posted...

Chemosh was portrayed as actually existing.

source?

The Book of Isaiah Chap 46 : 5 states that God said:

5 To whom will you liken Me or count Me equal?
To whom will you compare Me, that we should be alike?

The Book of Isaiah Chap 46 : 8-10 states:

8 Remember this and be brave;
take it to heart, you transgressors!
9 Remember what happened long ago,
for I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me.
10 I declare the end from the beginning,
and ancient times from what is still to come,
saying: My purpose will stand,
and all My good pleasure I will accomplish.


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Deuteronomy 4
28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.

Deuteronomy 28
36
The Lord shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.

Last time I checked, things that don't see, smell or hear aren't real.

But yes, with poetic language the bible does personify the idols on occassion saying such and such god was defeated in it's cause.
But the bible is clear from the earliest books that only one God is alive, living. All others are works of mens hands aka fiction.

Common phrasing in the ancient Near East. Referred to God and his heavenly council.

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Shablagoo posted...

Common phrasing in the ancient Near East. Referred to God and his heavenly council.

Some might think he refers to the angels, especially one believing in Abrahmic religion but rejecting Christianity.

However, if it refers to the angels, why is only God doing anything?

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God said, let us do x
God does x

He must be talking to himself when he says us.

Infact, later scriptures clarifies the angels did not partake in creation.

Nehemiah 9:6
Thou, even thou, art Lord alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

And of course the introduction of Jesus negated none of this as Jesus is likened as not being a wholly separate entity of God, but part of and in agreement with him, dwelling in him and equal.
Still one God.

Oh yeah Im not talking about angels. The annotated Bible I have has a more elaborate explanation but I just moved house recently and cant find it grr

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Shablagoo posted...

Oh yeah Im not talking about angels. The annotated Bible I have has a more elaborate explanation but I just moved house recently and cant find it grr

Well the host is credited in nehemiah as his creation alone, so angels or whatever, you still have a singular God.

darkphoenix181 posted...

Well the host is credited in nehemiah as his creation alone, so angels or whatever, you still have a singular God.

100% agreed, my understanding is that it was just a turn-of-phrase that was common during the time.

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darkphoenix181 posted...

Some might think he refers to the angels, especially one believing in Abrahmic religion but rejecting Christianity.

However, if it refers to the angels, why is only God doing anything?

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God said, let us do x
God does x

He must be talking to himself when he says us.

Infact, later scriptures clarifies the angels did not partake in creation.

Nehemiah 9:6
Thou, even thou, art Lord alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

And of course the introduction of Jesus negated none of this as Jesus is likened as not being a wholly separate entity of God, but part of and in agreement with him, dwelling in him and equal.
Still one God.

God was not talking to himself in the aforementioned verse. Jesus is at Gods right hand. Also, God the Father has no equal.

The Gospel according to John chap. 1 : 9-10 states about Jesus:

9 The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world.
10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.

Here we see the world was created through Jesus, the living Word of God.

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Marauder64 posted...

Also, God the Father has no equal.

1st of all, John 1 said the word was with God

The word...was God.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Philippians 2
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

John 14
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

It is a complex relationship but it is sufficient but to say Jesus is not another God.
There is only one God.
But at the same time, Jesus is not an angel or a man, he is God. Not another God, he and God are one and the same.

darkphoenix181 posted...

1st of all, John 1 said the word was with God

The word...was God.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Philippians 2
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

John 14
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

It is a complex relationship but it is sufficient but to say Jesus is not another God.
There is only one God.
But at the same time, Jesus is not an angel or a man, he is God. Not another God, he and God are one and the same.

Let me get this correct, you believe Jesus Christ and God the Father are one and the same? Jesus is FROM God. Are you saying , in the bible, all those times Jesus was praying, he was praying to.........HIMSELF? You know that by saying Jesus is Gods equal, you take away his omnipotence, and sole sovereignty correct? As it's written that Jesus said:

The Gospel according to Matthew Chap. 28-18(king james version):

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Who is greater than GOD, to GIVE HIM POWER? Nobody. so here we see Jesus is subordinate to the Father, God himself, as God the Father is whom gave Jesus Christ all power and authority in heaven and earth.

The first Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians Chap. 11 - 3(new american standard version) states:

3 But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.

Touching on what you posted that Paul the Apostle said, lets look at what Jesus himself said:

The Gospel according to John Chap. 13 - 16 states

16 Truly, truly, I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him.

Who sent Jesus to earth from Heaven again?

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Marauder64 posted...

Let me get this correct, you believe Jesus Christ and God the Father are one and the same? Jesus is FROM God. Are you saying , in the bible, all those times Jesus was praying, he was praying to.........HIMSELF? You know that by saying Jesus is Gods equal, you take away his omnipotence, and sole sovereignty correct? As it's written that Jesus said:

You want it straight, so I will give it to you straight
It is not about what I believe.

Let me ask you, what does John 1:1 say?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

You either believe what it says, or you don't.

It clearly says.

1. He was with God.
2. He also was God.

Phillipians 2 says he thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

Why would it matter what he thought about being equal with God if he was not equal?
What do you think it means when it says he thought it was not robbery to be equal?

On that note, if you protest the complex God nature of Jesus here, what is Jesus then?
You think he is angel?
A demi-god?
What is Jesus according to your philosophy?

According to what I read, he is no less than the us God speaks to in Genesis and together as one made the world.

The new testament says there is one God, you think Christ completely separate, do you worship multiple Gods?

darkphoenix181 posted...

You want it straight, so I will give it to you straight
It is not about what I believe.

Let me ask you, what does John 1:1 say?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

You either believe what it says, or you don't.

It clearly says.

1. He was with God.
2. He also was God.

Phillipians 2 says he thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

Why would it matter what he thought about being equal with God if he was not equal?
What do you think it means when it says he thought it was not robbery to be equal?

On that note, if you protest the complex God nature of Jesus here, what is Jesus then?
You think he is angel?
A demi-god?
What is Jesus according to your philosophy?

According to what I read, he is no less than the us God speaks to in Genesis and together as one made the world.

The new testament says there is one God, you think Christ completely separate, do you worship multiple Gods?

darkphoenix181 posted...

You want it straight, so I will give it to you straight
It is not about what I believe.

Let me ask you, what does John 1:1 say?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

You either believe what it says, or you don't.

It clearly says.

1. He was with God.
2. He also was God.

Phillipians 2 says he thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

Why would it matter what he thought about being equal with God if he was not equal?
What do you think it means when it says he thought it was not robbery to be equal?

On that note, if you protest the complex God nature of Jesus here, what is Jesus then?
You think he is angel?
A demi-god?
What is Jesus according to your philosophy?

According to what I read, he is no less than the us God speaks to in Genesis and together as one made the world.

The new testament says there is one God, you think Christ completely separate, do you worship multiple Gods?

It IS about what you believe. If you have a mis-understanding of something, then you can spread that mis-understanding to others. I know this very well.

Your number 1 and 2 contradict one another. If i'm WITH someone, obviously that means I'm not that person. Jesus himself made it plain in the Gospels that he is not God the Father.

Lets take a bigger look at The Gospel according to John Chap. 1 - 1-3:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

WITH God. WITH. All things came into being THROUGH him(Jesus Christ). It also clearly separates the two of them by calling one "The Word" and the other Jesus called "God the Father".

So then my answer to your question, Jesus Christ is the living "Word of God". No one else shares that title. There is only ONE "Word of God" and ONE "God the Father".

Jesus Christ is the only-begotten Son of the Father, as it is stated in:

The Gospel according to John Chap. 1-14 :

14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

To answer your other question, I worship God the Father, through my master, Jesus Christ our Lord. He is my intermediary , or "middle man" between God and myself. Hope I've answered your questions.

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Good to see a straight up Bible discussion online and on CE of all places

+5 Hope for humanity

Maybe people can actually respectfully discuss their thoughts

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Misunderstanding?

You said WITH God and repeated it, yet you quoted the verse.

@Marauder64 posted...

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

See the part I bolded?

You ignore it. Why?
I didn't write that out, I just quoted you. It is in your bible.

Thr word WAS God

WAS

What does that mean to you?

Marauder64 posted...

To answer your other question, I worship God the Father, through my master, Jesus Christ our Lord. He is my intermediary , or "middle man" between God and myself. Hope I've answered your questions.

Is Jesus not divine?
Do you deny his godhood?
Doubting Thomas exclaimed to him, "my lord and my God!"

You know, it is really weird how people get hung up over this.
God can create the world. Fine.

God can do anything. Fine.

God can be two people, one a father and one a son, separate but also one.
Wait a minute! That is too farfetched!

Why is this where the line is drawn?
The scripture is clear

Jesus was with God
Jesus was God

Both are true.
If you want to deny one of them, you have to deny both because they are stated in the same verse.

Also

John 10
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.

They are one. What does that mean?

And again
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Jesus will be called..

Everlasting father

Mighty God

And again

Titus 2
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Again

Colossians 2
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

The great God

The fulness of the Godhead

Do you still count this as a misunderstanding?

Super early bible stories had a pantheon of gods. The One God thing didn't happen till a bit later.
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lilORANG posted...

Super early bible stories had a pantheon of gods. The One God thing didn't happen till a bit later.

Give an example.
Which bible story had a pantheon?

Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

But God existed before the Devil and Created the Universe. God even created the Devil himself

Me! And the audience!

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CreekCo posted...

Good to see a straight up Bible discussion online and on CE of all places

+5 Hope for humanity

Maybe people can actually respectfully discuss their thoughts

I'm surprised the angstheists haven't shown up yet