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TheGreatGeno6 12/09/19 12:56:41 AM #1: |
The freer the market, the freer corporations are to fuck over everybody else so they and their shareholders can enrich themselves no matter how many people are hurt by their actions
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viewmaster_pi 12/09/19 12:57:13 AM #2: |
Bioshock was a warning.
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Beveren_Rabbit 12/09/19 1:00:32 AM #3: |
some say that a lot of medication and medical equipment is actually really cheap , but expensive for reasons
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ArchiePeck 12/09/19 1:03:01 AM #4: |
Beveren_Rabbit posted...
some say that a lot of medication and medical equipment is actually really cheap , but expensive for reasons Unlike pretty much every other first world country, healthcare is primarily a commercial concern in America. So you pay like ten times what things actually cost LOL ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheGreatGeno6 12/09/19 1:05:47 AM #5: |
ArchiePeck posted...
Unlike pretty much every other first world country, healthcare is primarily a commercial concern in America. So you pay like ten times what things actually cost LOL ArchiePeck posted... Unlike pretty much every other first world country, healthcare is primarily a commercial concern in America. So you pay like ten times what things actually cost LOLThe freer the market, the freer people are to die an early death from a medical issue they can't afford to fix --- Formerly known as Genocet_10-325 Conservatism is a plague on society. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Unsugarized_Foo 12/09/19 1:07:36 AM #6: |
America foots the bill for most of the good R&D, you're welcome world
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SK8T3R215 12/09/19 1:10:03 AM #7: |
me: ok
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Broseph_Stalin 12/09/19 1:12:26 AM #8: |
so explain to us why there is such a strong correlation between free markets and free people
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DirkDiggles 12/09/19 1:16:45 AM #10: |
TheGreatGeno? pft. more like TheComradeGeno, mirite?
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masterbarf 12/09/19 1:18:18 AM #11: |
That coupled with the notion that said freedom must be absolutely uninfringed is literally the wisdom of a 6-7 year old me. Every time I see somebody who believes the free market must be the sole answer to everything and socialism has absolutely zero place, all I see is somebody with the intellect and notion of what it means for America to be its best, of somebody who's barely older than a toddler.
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Dragonblade01 12/09/19 1:19:36 AM #12: |
I would say they are still "freer" in general, even if a perfectly free market still wouldn't lead to perfectly free people.
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Unsugarized_Foo 12/09/19 1:20:02 AM #13: |
free market is just nature bby
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coh 12/09/19 1:20:27 AM #14: |
funny thing is free market is the enemy of giant corporations
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SSMajinVegeta2 12/09/19 1:20:27 AM #15: |
We should give up our guns, freedom, lower taxes and individuality so that we can have free healthcare and college.
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MarqueeSeries 12/09/19 2:06:38 AM #17: |
coh posted...
funny thing is free market is the enemy of giant corporations This Without government intervention, companies will just bloat to massive sizes until competition isn't even possible anymore I mean, that's what we've been seeing for a few decades now --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Damn_Underscore 12/09/19 2:15:31 AM #18: |
Nice circlejerk topic. The fact is free markets stem naturally from a free society, although there has been plenty of evidence that an unregulated economy isn't a good thing.
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cerealbox760 12/09/19 2:45:23 AM #19: |
TheGreatGeno6 posted...
The freer the market, the freer corporations are to fuck over everybody else so they and their shareholders can enrich themselves no matter how many people are hurt by their actionsThe role of government is play referee. It becomes a problem when theres too many referres in the field or when they are paid off. Government needs accountability like everyone else. Corporations get away with dirt because the referres were paid off. its a government and corporate issue. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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coh 12/09/19 3:09:35 AM #20: |
MarqueeSeries posted...
ThisI meant more that government intervention actually helps them because they can bail them out ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MarqueeSeries 12/09/19 9:14:42 AM #21: |
coh posted...
MarqueeSeries posted...ThisI meant more that government intervention actually helps them because they can bail them out When you have a corrupt government, yeah Proper government intervention is actually ideal though. See: the recent Nestle fiasco --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 12/09/19 9:24:29 AM #22: |
MarqueeSeries posted...
ThisHow? You do know we don't have a free market, right? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IShall_Run_Amok 12/09/19 9:30:58 AM #23: |
An actual free market would be the bane of large corporations and their profit motives, since they'd be footing the bill for the freedom and rights of consumers and workers. But our idea of a free market involves the freedom of corporations, not the consumers and workers, so we get the current dystopia we live in instead.
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Balrog0 12/09/19 9:32:59 AM #24: |
i agree with you but the whole concept of corporations is pretty much a creation of the state
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I Like Toast 12/09/19 9:42:31 AM #25: |
There is a balance that needs to be played. Right now anyone with a functioning brain knows corporations have to much power in their favor.
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IShall_Run_Amok 12/09/19 9:50:25 AM #27: |
Imagine thinking that the state and capital are in bed with eachother, but thinking that the answer is just for capital to kick the state out of bed.
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legendary_zell 12/09/19 9:51:53 AM #28: |
If the wealthy and corporations always tend to capture the government due to their disproportionate economic power, isn't that a knock against this hypothetical free market? Just like how lots of people tend to end up dead under the heel of an authoritarian dictator under Communism, you kinda have to prove it's not part of the package at this point.
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darkphoenix181 12/09/19 10:06:38 AM #29: |
coh posted...
funny thing is free market is the enemy of giant corporations Basically. Copyright is a government protection. If the market was super free, you could make an iphone and sell it. The market tc is hating on is one that has tons of government intetventions like requiring a license to sell certain things, a permit, etc. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkphoenix181 12/09/19 12:22:17 PM #30: |
https://fee.org/articles/is-the-corporation-a-free-market-institution/
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On_The_Edge 12/09/19 12:23:42 PM #31: |
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thanosibe 12/09/19 12:35:42 PM #32: |
DirkDiggles posted...
TheGreatGeno? pft. more like TheComradeGeno, mirite?Our shit posts. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 12/09/19 12:42:56 PM #33: |
When are we gonna see classical liberals and libertarians arguing to reduce corporate power then? I'm sure it'll happen any day now. They certainly don't constantly argue for rule by wealth.
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friendbuddypal 12/09/19 12:47:51 PM #34: |
We need common sense socialism to replace the rotting and failed capitalist structure.
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darkphoenix181 12/09/19 1:03:14 PM #35: |
legendary_zell posted...
When are we gonna see classical liberals and libertarians arguing to reduce corporate power then? I'm sure it'll happen any day now. They certainly don't constantly argue for rule by wealth. Well I found this: https://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2011/11/dear-left-corporatism-is-your-fault/ Im not usually one for polemics. But sometimes polemics is called for. Here goes. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 12/09/19 1:20:54 PM #36: |
Is there an example of a system where the rich didn't capture the system? And is the solution to just have a society with no rules? Would that somehow reduce their power? It sounds like that writer is saying that government is a priori bad and so any bad thing that the government does is because government is bad and any bad thing a corporation or rich person does is also because of the government.
The problem with regulatory capture is the power amassed by individuals and groups of individuals and the lack of ethics and disincentives for corruption. We've focused on the wrong type of regulations and the people blocking those ethics regulations because there anti-all regulation. We need to increase competition and flatten out wealth disparities and we'll see less ability for regulatory capture and monopolies to form. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ConquestOfBread 12/09/19 1:38:39 PM #37: |
you people know nothing of true freedom
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Loud_Pipes 12/09/19 1:40:32 PM #38: |
legendary_zell posted...
flatten out wealth disparities Wealth disparities are not necessarily bad. This just reeks of jealousy or lack of understanding of basic economics. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 12/09/19 1:50:07 PM #39: |
Loud_Pipes posted...
Wealth disparities are not necessarily bad. This just reeks of jealousy or lack of understanding of basic economics. They are when concentrated wealth is used to hold communities hostage by tying their jobs to not exercising worker power through unions or threatening to leave if they have to pay a living wage to employees. It's bad when that wealth is used to distort the political system through campaign donations, access buying, and warping where society can even seek funds from. It's bad when the wealthy use their influence to pay for custom made laws like they do through organizations like ALEC. It's bad when they use their concentrated wealth to purchase news organizations around the world and limit news that could challenge their power. It's pretty bad when they pay for fake studies that downplay the damage their money generating businesses are doing to society and the planet or when they pay to suppress true science. None of that could happen without the extreme concentration of wealth and it all seems pretty negative to me. There's no jealousy involved, that's simply a reflexive talking point that the wealthy have you spouting for free. Concentrated wealth paid for that rhetoric and you're not benefitting from it. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 12/09/19 2:01:46 PM #40: |
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They are when concentrated wealth is used to hold communities hostage by tying their jobs to not exercising worker power through unions or threatening to leave if they have to pay a living wage to employees. It's bad when that wealth is used to distort the political system through campaign donations, access buying, and warping where society can even seek funds from. It's bad when the wealthy use their influence to pay for custom made laws like they do through organizations like ALEC. It's bad when they use their concentrated wealth to purchase news organizations around the world and limit news that could challenge their power. It's pretty bad when they pay for fake studies that downplay the damage their money generating businesses are doing to society and the planet or when they pay to suppress true science.keep in mind that you're talking to Proudclad --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jerry_Hellyeah 12/09/19 2:10:54 PM #41: |
The "Freedom should be unlimited" types crack me up. Its gotta be internet people.
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