Current Events > My teacher friends be like 'We get no breaks or weekends or summers or anything'

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Those same teachers:



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How do they not get summers? They most suck at their job if that many students are failing the course.

Abiz_ posted...

How do they not get summers?

"curriculum design"
"syllabus prep"
"professional development"
"textbook research"

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Teachers have to prep the next course during the Summer.

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Abiz_ posted...

How do they not get summers? They most suck at their job if that many students are falling the course.

Teachers are required to attend seminars and other forms of continuing education during the summer. Many also have to supervise club activities and summer classes. You do know that, even if one kid has to take a summer class, there has to be a teacher there, right?

PatrickMahomes posted...

"curriculum design"
"syllabus prep"
"professional development"
"textbook research"

AKA "half-assing their school year."

I've got a friend who's a high school Latin teacher (1 through AP) and if you do even the bare minimum extra work each day during your prep periods (instead of treating them like a second lunch), you can be fully prepared such that you get the whole summer off. These same teachers that complain are the ones that arrive minutes before the bell, are home before the students, and use scantron for everything so they don't even have to grade their own tests. Plus most of the subjects are just re-using stuff from past years.

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PatrickMahomes posted...

"curriculum design"
"syllabus prep"
"professional development"
"textbook research"

That isn't believable lol. School's don't have a big enough budget to buy textbooks every year. Syllabus and curriculum isn't changing much every year. Only one that is believable is the professional development. Unless they are in some high end school with a massive budget.

after seeing elementary school teachers and how they operate for the past four years, i'm not convinced they deserve any extra respect or any extra money
it's powder puff world for the most part
deadlines are meaningless, performance isn't even measured much, they're held to a low standard and they have very little oversight
i can't operate at my job like that, there's mad expectations
perhaps things are different in high school, but elementary school is like...hey whatever guys

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PatrickMahomes posted...

"curriculum design"
"syllabus prep"
"professional development"
"textbook research"

That's complete bull. We all know they just copy the same curriculum as the previous year for at least 3 years maybe making minor tweaks here or there.

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I had a lot of high school teachers that had summer jobs because they couldn't afford to not make money all summer. Mostly ones that were recently out of school so they still had a lot of student loan debt. Older ones tended to take their summers off except for mandatory stuff with the school.

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Fucking sad how ignorant people are about how much actually goes into teaching such as lesson planning, trainging and such.

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spikethedevil posted...

Fucking sad how ignorant people are about how much actually goes into teaching such as lesson planning, trainging and such.

yeah this. my friend works his normal shift at school and comes home and works for another 4 hours unpaid. he did the math and he makes less than 11 dollars an hour if you calculate the unpaid work her does

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Still easier than most professions if not for the fact that they've been reduced to glorified babysitters that will get fired if they try to make their spoiled assed students behave

s0nicfan posted...

AKA "half-assing their school year."

I've got a friend who's a high school Latin teacher (1 through AP) and if you do even the bare minimum extra work each day during your prep periods (instead of treating them like a second lunch), you can be fully prepared such that you get the whole summer off. These same teachers that complain are the ones that arrive minutes before the bell, are home before the students, and use scantron for everything so they don't even have to grade their own tests. Plus most of the subjects are just re-using stuff from past years.

Yeah, teaching just one subject would be easier

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Fun fact too, a lot of teachers get other jobs during these breaks depending on where they teach and how their pay periods are.

But the ones making money or with money arent doing shit during the holidays.

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I am blood related to or close friends with at least 10 teachers, and I can confirm all the ones I know spend their Summers and holidays relaxing and having fun. None of them get extra jobs in the summer that I know of.

I don't know if it's just the area I live in, but they seem to have it pretty great here. I never understood the narrative of "Poor teachers, they don't actually get to enjoy any time off from work."

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I get the sense that there is a big difference in new teachers vs longer tenured ones and also at different levels of schooling.

I used to work part time at a library and one of my coworkers was a teacher who was working an extra job because of a divorce. But he only taught Biology in HS and had been teaching it for like 50 years, he did do IB or AP (maybe both?) classes too, which I think required some additional work each summer, but it was very minor.

I get the sense that there's more that goes into training and expectations for elementary teachers, but I dont know any personally

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It varies massively depending on where you work. My first teaching post had crazy workload and summer was the only break where I didn't work what would be considered full time. On the other breaks I'd just get my weekends back.

Where I am now, I generally work 7-7 Monday-Friday and never during the holidays.

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The Trent posted...

after seeing elementary school teachers and how they operate for the past four years, i'm not convinced they deserve any extra respect or any extra money
it's powder puff world for the most part
deadlines are meaningless, performance isn't even measured much, they're held to a low standard and they have very little oversight
i can't operate at my job like that, there's mad expectations
perhaps things are different in high school, but elementary school is like...hey whatever guys

Imo you get the teachers you pay for.

Insist on keeping teacher pay low - keep getting bad teachers
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Guide posted...

Teachers have to prep the next course during the Summer.

Ya the same course they have taught for a decade
Teachers where I live are severely overpaid its egregious. Full paid summer off? Ya so deserved

Literally everyone told me to not be a teacher when I was an undergrad with dreams of being a teacher.

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teaching was by far the hardest job I have ever had

CruelBuffalo posted...

teaching was by far the hardest job I have ever had

Why did you stop?

Probably coz you were underpaid for the work you did and talent you had.

If we want American education to be better we have to pay teachers more.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

teaching was by far the hardest job I have ever had

It's the hardest I've had too. On the flip side, it's the most rewarding which is why I still do it.

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TheFAQKing posted...

Ya the same course they have taught for a decade
Teachers where I live are severely overpaid its egregious. Full paid summer off? Ya so deserved

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Oh no, teachers have to make a curriculum once and then modify it annually per class they keep teaching. That totally eats up an entire summer.

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"We have so much we do during the summer" has always felt like the wrong argument for teachers to make.

My mom is a teacher and she works far more hours during the school year than I do, even though I make far more than her. If you spread out her hours over a 12 month period, she would still be working >40 hours a week.

That seems more relevant when arguing being underpaid.

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Don't always believe what your teacher tells you...

MudKip_Master posted...

Don't always believe what your teacher tells you...

A good teacher will tell you that.

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