Current Events > ngl, I don't even really understand what fascism actually is

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BlingBling22947
12/16/19 6:56:55 PM
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I just hear it a lot.

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Flockaveli
12/16/19 6:59:58 PM
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Did I step into the twilight zone walking into this topic?

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Kazi1212
12/16/19 7:01:15 PM
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Basically America under the Obama administration when mass surveillance was at its peak

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Tyranthraxus
12/16/19 7:01:50 PM
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Fascism is a right wing authoritarian ideology centered on militarization.

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Colorahdo
12/16/19 7:02:20 PM
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The way my political science professor put it:

Fascism is giving up your rights for the good of the state

Communism is giving up your rights for the good of the people

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CADE FOSTER
12/16/19 7:03:11 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Fascism is a right wing authoritarian ideology centered on militarization.
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Kolibri X
12/16/19 7:03:13 PM
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No one does. Mussolini wrote a book about it but no one read it.

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Hexenherz
12/16/19 7:13:30 PM
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Colorahdo posted...
The way my political science professor put it:

Fascism is giving up your rights for the good of the state

Communism is giving up your rights for the good of the people
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no way

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Musourenka
12/16/19 7:16:17 PM
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Palingenetic Ultranationalism

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IShall_Run_Amok
12/16/19 7:22:31 PM
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Populist ultra-nationalism built on a fantasy laden, military-centric view of the past, scapegoating, and authoritative hierarchy.

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Ryuko_Chan
12/16/19 7:24:38 PM
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in theory its an alternate option to capitalism and communism, a middle ground of sorts
in practice its just racist capitalism

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BlingBling22947
12/19/19 5:46:21 AM
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What I read is different from what angry people online are calling it.

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BlingBling22947
12/20/19 6:10:02 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Fascism is a right wing authoritarian ideology centered on militarization.

Thought it was more military-oriented.

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Garioshi
12/20/19 6:14:10 PM
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Fascism is a right-wing ideology characterized by hypernationalism, intense militarism, corporatism, authoritarianism, and strong feelings of resentment.

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TheMikh
12/20/19 6:24:45 PM
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in its purest form, dictatorial national syndicalism, usually with a theocratic flavor

Kolibri X posted...
No one does. Mussolini wrote a book about it but no one read it.

arguably the most forgettable book i've ever read

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BlingBling22947
12/22/19 4:58:49 AM
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I have never called anyone a fascist because of this.

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Guide
12/22/19 5:10:34 AM
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Kazi1212 posted...
Basically America under the Obama administration when mass surveillance was at its peak

Are you saying Obama was right wing?

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OpenlyGator
12/22/19 5:11:25 AM
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ngl, I don't even really understand what fascism actually is
It's okay. Neither does most of Antifa...

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DeathDeathSong
12/22/19 5:16:05 AM
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OpenlyGator posted...
It's okay. Neither does most of Antifa...
what is antifa
i thought it was short for anti-fascism
but then you would be saying "anti-fascism doesnt understand what fascism means" and that doesnt make any sense

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NonDairyMiltank
12/22/19 5:27:13 AM
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Garioshi posted...
Fascism is a right-wing ideology characterized by hypernationalism, intense militarism, corporatism, authoritarianism, and strong feelings of resentment.
and examples do not necessarily need to be all of these things at once to qualify

which means there are both right-wing AND left-wing instances of fascism that exist today
if you're confused by that notion, some groups claiming to be left-wing can still be guilty of using fascist tactics due to the elements you just described

anyone painting fascism as exclusive to right-wing politics and movements is dishonest

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Guide
12/22/19 5:31:02 AM
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NonDairyMiltank posted...
and examples do not necessarily need to be all of these things at once to qualify

which means there are both right-wing AND left-wing instances of fascism that exist today
if you're confused by that notion, some groups claiming to be left-wing can still be guilty of using fascist tactics due to the elements you just described

anyone painting fascism as exclusive to right-wing politics and movements is dishonest

What kinda whataboutism bs is this? What do you mean by fascist tactics, and what scale are you using to try to paint the left as a fascist thing when, by traditional political political, it's very far on the right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum

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TheMikh
12/24/19 10:26:41 AM
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DeathDeathSong posted...
what is antifa
i thought it was short for anti-fascism
but then you would be saying "anti-fascism doesnt understand what fascism means" and that doesnt make any sense

the berlin wall was officially referred to as the anti-fascist protection rampart

take that how you will

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Shablagoo
12/24/19 10:33:49 AM
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NonDairyMiltank posted...
and examples do not necessarily need to be all of these things at once to qualify

which means there are both right-wing AND left-wing instances of fascism that exist today
if you're confused by that notion, some groups claiming to be left-wing can still be guilty of using fascist tactics due to the elements you just described

anyone painting fascism as exclusive to right-wing politics and movements is dishonest

Murder victims of the Alt Right/White Supremacy in 2017:

Heather Heyer
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/13/us/charlottesville-heather-heyer-profile/index.html

Taliesin Namkai Meche
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/05/max_stabbing_victim_attended_r_1.html#incart_big-photo

Ricky Best
http://taskandpurpose.com/ricky-best-one-2-men-killed-portland-stabbing-army-veteran/

Richard Collins III
https://www.thenation.com/article/lynching-university-maryland-campus/

Timothy Caughman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stabbing_of_Timothy_Caughman

Srinivas Kuchibhotla
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Olathe,_Kansas_shooting

Casey Marquez & Francisco Fernandez
https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-mexico-school-shooter-had-secret-life-on-pro-trump-white-supremacy-sites

Charles Davis
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/10/23/alt-righter-seattle4truth-charged-killing-father-over-conspiracy-theories

Officer Zackari Parrish
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/01/us/colorado-shooting-suspect-military-record/index.html

Buckley Kuhn-Fricker & Scott Fricker
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/teen-charged-with-killing-girlfriends-parents-they-had-worried-he-was-a-neo-nazi/2017/12/23/e2102894-e761-11e7-833f-155031558ff4_story.html?utm_term=.32ba34f2ae29

The 6 Victims of the Quebec City mosque shooting:
Ibrahima Barry, Mamadou Tanou Barry, Khaled Belkacemi, Aboubaker Thabti, Abdelkrim Hassane, and Azzedine Soufiane https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_City_mosque_shooting

Murder Victims of Antifa or the far left in 2017:

Murder victims of the Alt Right/White Supremacy in 2018:

Blaze Bernstein
https://www.haaretz.com/blaze-bernstein-murder-suspect-displayed-hate-on-social-media-1.5751372

The 17 Victims of the Stoneman Douglas High School Shooting:
Alyssa Alhadeff, Scott Beigel, Martin Duque, Nicholas Dworet, Aaron Feis, Jaime Guttenberg, Chris Hixon, Luke Hoyer, Cara Loughran, Gina Montalto, Joaquin Oliver, Alaina Petty, Meadow Pollack, Helena Ramsay, Alex Schachter, Carmen Schentrup, and Peter Wang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoneman_Douglas_High_School_shooting

The 10 Victims of the Santa Fe High School Shooting: Jared Conard Black, Shana Fisher, Christian Riley Garcia, Aaron Kyle McLeod, Glenda Anne Perkins, Angelique Ramirez, Sabika Sheikh, Christopher Stone, Cynthia Tisdale, and Kimberly Vaughan
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/18/612286146/shooting-reported-at-high-school-near-houston

The 10 Victims of the Toronto Van Attack
Beutis Renuka Amarasinghe, Andrea Bradden, Geraldine Brady, So He Chung, Anne Marie D'Amico Mary Elizabeth Forsyth, Chul Min "Eddie" Kang, Ji Hun Kim, Munir Najjar, and Dorothy Sewell
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_van_attack

Sherell L. Lewis Jr
https://nypost.com/2018/05/31/motorist-brags-about-running-over-some-n-r-on-snapchat/

Jeremy Himmelman & Andrew Oneschuck
https://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/suspect-in-tampa-neo-nazi-killings-returns-from-state-mental-hospital-20190326/

The 5 Victims of the Annapolis Capital Shooting:
Gerald Fischman, Rob Hiaasen, John McNamara, Rebecca Smith, and Wendi Winters
https://bluestatedaily.com/accused-annapolis-shooter-jarrod-ramos-was-inspired-by-the-alt-right-report/

Maurice Stallard & Vickie Lee Jones
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alleged-kroger-gunman-uttered-whites-don-t-kill-whites-witness-n924641

The 11 victims of the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting:
Joyce Fienberg, Rich Gottfried, Rose Mallinger, Jerry Rabinowitz, Cecil Rosenthal, David Rosenthal, Bernice Simon, Sylvan Simon, Daniel Stein, Melvin Wax, & Irving Younger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_synagogue_shooting

Dr. Nancy Van Vessem & Maura Binkley
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/03/us/yoga-studio-shooting-florida.html

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Disengaged
12/24/19 10:34:49 AM
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NonDairyMiltank posted...
and examples do not necessarily need to be all of these things at once to qualify

which means there are both right-wing AND left-wing instances of fascism that exist today
if you're confused by that notion, some groups claiming to be left-wing can still be guilty of using fascist tactics due to the elements you just described

anyone painting fascism as exclusive to right-wing politics and movements is dishonest


Ha ha. This is literal neo nazi propaganda cooked up ages ago on the iron march forums for swarming. (Disseminating in mass on other forums and websites, for the purpose of having the few who fall for it spread it virally.

Those idiots accidentally hacking themselves and putting it up for everyone to see is the gift that keeps on giving.

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