Board 8 > STAR WARS: The Rise of Skywalker - The Reviews ~ Certified "Not-Great"

(+) Yeah! (+)

a short time ahead, in the next galaxy over

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Xiahou Shake posted...

The low level stuff is where most of Star Wars' truly good storytelling happens, but the contrast against the space wizardry of the "main" story has always helped it be extra cool. Rogue One is a particularly strong example of this.

Rogue One was so god damn boring I had completely zoned out for the big climax.

It's the first Star Wars since the OT I didn't see in theaters.

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Looks like Abrams couldn't rescue star wars from Rian Johnson. Everything I am hearing says way too much is going on, which is of course because the 2nd leg left everything in a dumpster fire.

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Looks like Johnson couldn't save SW from Abrahams TBQH.

https://youtu.be/g7KVbTcvjJg

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TFA was better than TLJ even if neither was good. Johnson did far more harm, but both failed in a lot of ways and well never get the reunion everyone wanted.

swordz9 posted...

TFA was better than TLJ even if neither was good. Johnson did far more harm, but both failed in a lot of ways and well never get the reunion everyone wanted.

When has reuniting 60+ year old actors from an older movie ever gone well?

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It may not have gone well, but it wouldve been nice to see even one scene of them together again. Even if they ignored what happened in the movies its impossible since we had actors die :(

TheRock1525 posted...

When has reuniting 60+ year old actors from an older movie ever gone well?

I mean yeah TLJ still sucked as a whole, but reuniting Luke & Leia was a really lovely scene

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TheRock1525 posted...

Rogue One was so god damn boring I had completely zoned out for the big climax.

It's the first Star Wars since the OT I didn't see in theaters.

Putting these statements together is a bit confusing to me, but it sounds like maybe Solo is more your bag!

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Solo was below average, although I thought the guy who played Han and Chewie had some nice chemistry.

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Also it's hard to get invested into the Climax of a film when I don't give a damn about any of them, so when they die it doesn't feel like a poignant moment of importance.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

bruh, the other star wars movies were also blockbusters

I do agree that it's stupid to judge movies ENTIRELY on the basis of whether they were made for commercial reasons or not (by that logic, Battlefield Earth is better than The Godfather), but the more commercial nature of the new Star Wars films literally explains most of the problems with them.

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So I just found out the other day the person who wrote Batman v. Superman and Justice League is credited on the screenplay for this movie.

I'm not going to read any reviews; I'm going to try to go in with a fresh opinion, but I can't help but be terrified by how bad this could possibly be.

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He's an Oscar winner for writing Argo.

And another credited writer for Batman v. Superman wrote the likes of Blade, Dark City, and The Dark Knight trilogy.

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I enjoyed R1 at the time but uh yeah not being able to really remember anyone is quite a problem... and it had Donnie Yen! :(

maybe boosted at the time by being the first I went to the movies in Japan tho, woo Toho Shinjuku I kept the ticket

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K-2SO and Chirrut are amazing Rogue One characters

LinkMarioSamus posted...

He's an Oscar winner for writing Argo.

And another credited writer for Batman v. Superman wrote the likes of Blade, Dark City, and The Dark Knight trilogy.

Argo is a bad film; the critical acclaim for it and Ben Affleck at the time has got to be some sort of conspiracy

LinkMarioSamus posted...

And another credited writer for Batman v. Superman wrote the likes of Blade, Dark City, and The Dark Knight trilogy.

david goyer co-wrote batman begins and he didn't write the screenplay for either TDK or TDKR - the nolan brothers did. he only worked on the story for those. and he was one of three writers who wrote dark city.

i'd sooner blame the badness of batman v superman on goyer than chris terrio tbqh. goyer's track record is far worse.

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swordz9 posted...

K-2SO and Chirrut are amazing Rogue One characters

Best two in the movie right here. Baze was good too but he didn't have quite as much stuff. Interested to see how Cassian's Disney+ show fleshes him out, cause the stuff he vaguely talks about having done sounds like it could be cool to see.

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TheRock1525 posted...

When has reuniting 60+ year old actors from an older movie ever gone well?

are there a lot of other examples of something like this happening and going poorly?
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

are there a lot of other examples of something like this happening and going poorly?

Indiana Jones is the most egregious.

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Anyway, I'd say that the Jedi are my favorite part of Star Wars. I love the Force stuff they do, I love the lightsaber battles, and even the training and such is fun. All the lightsaber battles in the prequels were my favorite part. I love all the acrobatics they did. Lots more fun than what we've gotten from the sequel trilogy.

Xiahou Shake posted...

Best two in the movie right here. Baze was good too but he didn't have quite as much stuff. Interested to see how Cassian's Disney+ show fleshes him out, cause the stuff he vaguely talks about having done sounds like it could be cool to see.

Isn't the Cassian one the one that got canceled?
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TheRock1525 posted...

Indiana Jones is the most egregious.

Blues Brothers 2000
Every Terminator after 2

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The Next Generation movies, mostly Nemesis.

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The TNG movies were a direct continuation from the TV show, and First Contact was great. They're a totally different category.

Picard would fit better, if it's bad.
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Interesting fact

Jumanji: The Next Level sits at 69% fresh to Rise of Skywalker's 58%.

The actual reviews, though? Jumanji is 5.97 out of 10, RoS is 6.23.

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Mac Arrowny posted...

The TNG movies were a direct continuation from the TV show, and First Contact was great. They're a totally different category.

Picard would fit better, if it's bad.

All the TNG movies are bad, they're just different levels of bad.

Ending with 50+ year old Jonathan Frakes and 60+ year old Patrick Stewart trying to be action heroes.

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First Contact a 10/10 movie and one of the greatest works in Star Trek history.
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A lot of people at my job have decided to boycott TROS because TLJ was so bad.

I work at Vandenberg AFB, a Space Command unit and soon to be part of the Space Force.

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Mac Arrowny posted...

Anyway, I'd say that the Jedi are my favorite part of Star Wars. I love the Force stuff they do, I love the lightsaber battles, and even the training and such is fun. All the lightsaber battles in the prequels were my favorite part. I love all the acrobatics they did. Lots more fun than what we've gotten from the sequel trilogy.

Yeah, definitely.

Star wars is a family drama, set in space, with laser swords and space magic and cool spaceships.

They could do away with the whole light side of the force/dark side of the force if they wanted (grey Jedi ARE a part of the extended universe, and the whole light side/dark side forced dichotomy kinda hamstrings both the PT and ST). But they should keep the laser swords and space magic.

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I really liked First Contact.

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Lightsabers could be entirely unattached to the Jedi concept.

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scarletspeed7 posted...

Lightsabers could be entirely unattached to the Jedi concept.

yeah but it's an elegant weapon for a more civilized age

these seedy underbellies are neither elegant nor civilized (and it's far too late to disconnect them from the minds of Star Wars fans)

but I'd like to see them all accidentally cut off their limbs because they can't properly use a lightsaber

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What about VIBROBLADES

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

What about VIBROBLADES

sounds like we're on the path to gunblades becoming part of Star Wars canon

I'm in

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My point is Force-use doesn't need to be relegated to the overly simplistic and easily debunked dogmatic notions of the Jedi and the Sith, although both of which have been completely torpedoed by multiple writers failing to be consistent with either philosophies.

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metroid composite posted...

They could do away with the whole light side of the force/dark side of the force if they wanted (grey Jedi ARE a part of the extended universe

bring in Kyle Katarn

... that was obviously my big gripe of Rogue One, taking out Kyle Katarn's role of getting the Death Star plans in Dark Forces 1

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Kyle Katarn and Ahsoka Tano team-up movie go

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scarletspeed7 posted...

My point is Force-use doesn't need to be relegated to the overly simplistic and easily debunked dogmatic notions of the Jedi and the Sith, although both of which have been completely torpedoed by multiple writers failing to be consistent with either philosophies.

I mean yeah you can evolve the concept of Jedi and Sith but lightsaber use will always be associated with Force magic so you're not going to see randos and normals using lightsabers anytime soon (other than Finn lawl)

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scarletspeed7 posted...

Kyle Katarn and Ahsoka Tano team-up movie go

now this is the ultimate dream

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I'm definitely not dismissing Force-sensitivity, just the pedantic trappings of philosophy written by people who don't get philosophy.

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Grimlyn posted...

now this is the ultimate dream

Could this movie somehow just be taking on a ring of all the EU bounty hunters that have been cruelly yanked away from us? And/or the Rogue Squadron characters. Like the freaking horse that flies X-Wings.

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Grimlyn posted...

bring in Kyle Katarn

... that was obviously my big gripe of Rogue One, taking out Kyle Katarn's role of getting the Death Star plans in Dark Forces 1

It was one level of Dark Forces. The tutorial, even.Why does everyone latch onto that like it was a big deal?

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A better gripe is that RO changes the Death Stars weakness being due to the Empires inherent hubris to active sabotage by some guy.

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JonThePenguin posted...

It was one level of Dark Forces. The tutorial, even.Why does everyone latch onto that like it was a big deal?

As long as we still don't have Kyle Katarn canonized any further replacement of his existence is gonna be sad!

If Disney ever gets around to fixing that and bringing him in I'll be over the moon and happily ignore it, but until then I ain't gonna tolerate any Katarn Erasure!

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TLJ was awesome and the radical change Star Wars needed. This sounds like an over-correction.

Regarding Chris Terrio, my understanding us that he came in late for rewrites on BvS and was only really involved in Batman's scenes. Justice League's on him though.

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

its kind of weird how theres all these people super invested in the quality of the ninth movie in a franchise that they maybe enjoyed three movies of. Its like even if this one turned really good the trilogy of trilogies overall would still be an F.

Out of the eight Ive seen, Ive enjoyed at least six!

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MichelBollinger posted...

Looks like Johnson couldn't save SW from Abrahams TBQH.

Hey now Abraham was flawed as heck but that was the point of his biblical passages

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

its kind of weird how theres all these people super invested in the quality of the ninth movie in a franchise that they maybe enjoyed three movies of. Its like even if this one turned really good the trilogy of trilogies overall would still be an F.

this isn't weird at all. Star Wars is a top tier setting to tell great new stories in. Lightsabres, the Force, all of the tech and culture, the species, the potential is endless. Why wouldn't new movies in that that space be highly anticipated and discussed?

It actually does lend a bit of merit to the idea that the prequels are more worthwhile because at least they did cool things for the setting, while the new movies don't really utilize that design space well. Take Saw Gerrara for example - whatever his deal was could have been interesting, and he could certainly have been a memorable character, but Rogue One wasn't plotted well enough for him to be executed well. He could have been a striking representation of the extreme things the rebels had to do under the empires rule. Instead he's just a forgettable weird old guy who died right after we met him.

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