Current Events > Do you think impeachment will backfire on the democrats?

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Bluebomber182 posted...

I would rather die than support him

Then stop telling us to ignore his crimes? Not Impeaching here is justifying everything he did.

"But Mitch will defend him!"

Cool, why not use that against him when he's up for re-election? Are all the people who hate him suddenly going to vote for him?

If we wait for impeachment and, God forbid, Trump wins in 2020 then there isn't any room to impeach him then. They'll just say "You only want to impeach because you lost twice!", and they would have a rare point since we apparently didn't care enough in his first term.

So we impeach now, and write the names down for the future.

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Bluebomber182 posted...

I dont have any power dude. Again what part of me saying Mitch is the problem do you not get. But it aint just him its Nunes Jordan Gaetz and his other flunkies too

You are just finding excuses to ignore Trump's wrongdoings.

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Democrats never put up a serious fight in Kentucky before. After Beshear beat Bevin its time for the DNC to go all in to unseat Mitch
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I don't think it ultimately matters or swings anyone. We're still about 11 months away from the election, plus the Dem primaries haven't even started. There's going to be so many news stories and things happening by the general election that this is going to be just another thing.

There's also the reality that most everyone's opinion has been made on Trump a long time ago, barring a major incident I don't see that changing. 2020 will come down to if the Dems nominate someone who can bring out voters who sat out 2016

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Bluebomber182 posted...

Bevin

That piece of shit needs to be in prison with all the fuckers he "pardon"d" as a "fuck you all for not re-electing my corrupt ass!" I'm almost certain we'll see more of his type and Trump himself will do this if he loses

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The Great Muta 22 posted...

2020 will come down to if the Dems nominate someone who can bring out voters who sat out 2016

Concur.

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People should care about his crimes but Im trying to tell you that most average joe voters dont. I know its unfair and stupid but thats the rub
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So the way to get people to care about his crimes is to ignore them completely according to you.

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Most average Joe voters either stayed home or voted Hillary in 2016. That's why Trump lost the popular vote.

So the argument went from "Independents will feel bad for Trump if he's impeached" to "Average voter is indifferent to Trump's crimes".

And for some reason we're to cater to both?

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Tmaster148 posted...

Yet you got aggressive at me for no reason. Really coming from someone not trying to make enemies with others.

I got aggressive at you for a very good reason, you're acting like a jackass and intentionally misrepresenting someone's position, which in turn, makes MY positions look weaker because of your garbage behavior. If we don't call out shitty behavior within our own party or ideology, how can we expect our opposition to do so?

I'm holding you to the standard that I want Republicans to be held to. You have demonstrated an inability to even meet that standard. I am going to publically mock you so, even if you are too stubborn to change your behavior, then perhaps ither members of my party will come to realize YOUR behavior is bad.

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

Oh so your another person upset that people want to hold Trump accountable and is siding with TC on hand waving it. I get it.

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If only there were some way of estimating how the American people feel about a given subject...

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/
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I don't see how impeachment would be worse for the Democrats than not pursuing impeachment.

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Musourenka posted...

I don't see how impeachment would be worse for the Democrats than not pursuing impeachment.

Because the people suggesting that we shouldn't impeach are the people who don't want the democrats to win in the first place.

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Bluebomber182 posted...

It gives Trump what he wants.

Lmao

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Tmaster148 posted...

Oh so your another person upset that people want to hold Trump accountable and is siding with TC on hand waving it. I get it.

No, but I'm glad you're proving my accusations true.

TC is clearly approaching the problem from a realpolitik perspective, where the result here is going to be a loss for Democrats because Trump will inevitably be "exonerated" (sarcasm) by the Senate. This will result in strong talking points for the 2020 campaign that will resonate with certain independent voters. It may even be a net benefit for the Republicans.

I don't believe, even if that's true, that that is enough to warrant dropping the proceedings. I think there are some hills, ideologically, you should die on if need be. I'd rather the Democrats lose 2020 but go down standing up for what's right and fighting corruption where it stands. Just because I disagree with TC about the value of impeachment doesn't mean he's a Trump supporter, or that he's evil, or that he thinks Trump is innocent. I can understand his position.

I guess I'm glad you found a way to feel superior to toxic Conservatives while acting just like them, though. Good mental gymnastics.

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I still don't buy the "Independents who had no opinion for three years will suddenly feel bad for Trump". Just about everyone who's voting for Trump in 2020 decided on that in 2016.

Doing nothing gives Republicans what they want. They can oppose the impeachment, at risk to their future endeavors. The Trump ship is already sinking. You can't save face by saying "I was against him all along!"... when you're on record for voting against his Impeaching.

There will always be the chickenshits who will defend him to their dying breath, but I imagine there are some who will do what they can to distance themselves by the time it all comes tumbling down

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https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1207329615506759680?s=19

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Umbreon posted...

Doing nothing gives Republicans what they want. They can oppose the impeachment, at risk to their future endeavors. The Trump ship is already sinking. You can't save face by saying "I was against him all along!"... when you're on record for voting against his Impeaching.

They can and they will because that magic R is too strong. Blue has a complete point, once it dies to the Senate the news, who people falsely believe are Liberal friends will play it as a Trump victory and that "Dems didn't have enough" rather than a miscarriage of justice it is, the only people willing to say things like that are liberal programs like Colbert, Oliver, Noah, Bee if she still has a show and maybe Meyers and most people don't care about what those guys say anyway who didn't already hate Trump.

Then come the election cycle Trump's ads will play it to their advantage that the Mueller investigation and the impeachment and removal attempts were all just liberal bullying because they can't stand Trump and hate America. and liberals will be too busy fighting each other because of the Progressive wing (Yang,Sanders, Warren) vs the Establishment wing (Bloomberg, Biden, Buttigieg) civil war going on in the party, the longer most of these people stay in the more pissed off their bases are gonna be when their guys lose, so pissed off they may vote for Trump out of spite or not vote at all and despite what you believe there are people who vote based on spite, some of Trumps vocal supporters go for him because his policies and administration will hurt people they don't like and some voted because they wanted to send a message to dems which usually ways "Stop shitting on white people so much, stop pandering to non-americans and and pushing anti capitalist policies" in my experience. but the one I hear the most is "Stop calling everything you don't like sexist and racist"

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Yes. This is fuel for another landslide victory in 2020.

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"Another landslide" he says. He barely won last time the closest thing to a landslide was Obama vs Romney

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Democrats are fickle voters who voted in 2018 largely to oppose Trump. That's why I think not going for impeachment would have hurt more -- Dems would just stay home. Republican voters will line up to defend and vote Trump no matter what, so impeachment doesn't matter on their end.


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I do believe people vote for spite, I've seen the Republican party in action.

I'm not sure the whole "Democrat civil war" will pan our though. As heated as they get against each other, Trump is a common enemy. People who claim to be Dems but voted Trump to "Teach you guys a lesson"... probably weren't actually on the Dems side in the first place.

Like I don't bet someone who resonates with Bernie turns around and votes Trump.

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Musourenka posted...

Democrats are fickle voters who voted in 2018 largely to oppose Trump. That's why I think not going for impeachment would have hurt more -- Dems would just stay home. Republican voters will line up to defend and vote Trump no matter what, so impeachment doesn't matter on their end.

Lol so you think democrats won't Vote because they want Trump out of office. That makes no sense. That's more reason for democrats to Vote.

Republicans are more likely to stay one as they act like there is no way for Trump to lose. Many will think they can stay home as he has this in the bag. While Dems will fear losing and vote in greater numbers.

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The impeachment is a loss for democrats. If they wanted to stand on principle, why did they drop the Mueller report and not act on that? They thought they had an easier argument on Ukraine that would be easier to get independents.

Trump will win again in 2020.


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CNN is joining the "oops" bandwagon
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/18/politics/impeachment-polling-donald-trump/index.html

I can see it happening, but I don't blame them. I blame all the people who either still support Trump and the GOP and are ok with all their bullshit or are just so apathetic and ignorant that they don't care about any of it. This country is fucked.

Questionmarktarius posted...

CNN is joining the "oops" bandwagon https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/18/politics/impeachment-polling-donald-trump/index.html

Of course they are. These big media operations are owned by the rich who will benefit from Trump and 4 more years of Trump will get those ratings they like.

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It shouldnt, like it really shouldnt, but it most likely will. We, as a people, are fucked. Caring too much about absolutely stupid shit. Total apathy about important things. Hatred for anything that disturbs our lives.

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creativerealms posted...

Lol so you think democrats won't Vote because they want Trump out of office. That makes no sense. That's more reason for democrats to Vote.

Republicans are more likely to stay one as they act like there is no way for Trump to lose. Many will think they can stay home as he has this in the bag. While Dems will fear losing and vote in greater numbers.

Dem voters are less likely to come out to vote if the Dem candidate if the Dems show no effort in standing up to Trump. Or they will just vote third party.

Republicans will not stay home because the GOP is great at rousing their base up into a frenzy. After all, SOCIALISM!

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it will backfire for everyone tbh it will divide the country further. the politicians are dividing their people so much that laws are going to be re-defined. its time for it. the system is allowing the president to bypass congress and thats not sitting well with anybody no matter who is the president. Obama did it. Trump is doing it. the next president will and so on... this impeachment is to limit what the president can do only to leave Congress more say into what can be approved. thats how i see it. President works through Congress as its meant to be, as its written & interpreted for all time forever.


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Of course it will, Trump's poll numbers already looking better lately

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Kazi1212 posted...

Of course it will, Trump's poll numbers already looking better lately

They're crashing and burning so yeah they are looking better for the rest of us. Not good for Trump though.

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Obviously.

The Senate was never going to authorize it so it's a complete waste of time. The only reason this was done was to put a show for the American voters in hopes of changing people's minds during the upcoming election.

Based on polls the American people are split down the middle. It's also created some unprecedented use of impeachment that can possibly be used by partisanship for all future president's.

If the Democrats and Republicans didn't like each other before, they now hate each other on a whole new level.

This is going to get real ugly in the near and future proceedings of Congress.

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Zartic4life posted...

This is going to get real ugly in the near and future proceedings of Congress.

Oh no, anything but that!
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Bluebomber182 posted...

I want accountability but it aint happening with Mitch in power. Democrats need to learn to pick their battles instead of going balls deep on a lost cause

The integrity of our justice system is a lost cause.

i mean, youre not wrong its just a weird stance to have pride in.

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Yeah, looks like it already is.

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