Current Events > Kathleen Kennedy ruined Star Wars. who the fuck is she anyway. what good movie

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_BIueMonk
12/26/19 7:39:53 PM
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has she made besides

schindler's list
jurassic park
an american tail
hook
gremlins
back to the future
indiana jones
the color purple
who framed roger rabbit
the land before time
poltergeist
and ET.

besides those hidden gems, all her movies SUCK!

FIRE HER!!!


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KillerSlaw
12/26/19 7:42:15 PM
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She didn't make any of those movies, though.

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lilORANG
12/26/19 7:48:45 PM
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Notice what those movies aren't, a trilogy of films set in an established universe trying to tell a large overarching story.
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creativerealms
12/26/19 7:49:30 PM
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KillerSlaw posted...
She didn't make any of those movies, though.
She also made none of the new Star Wars movies.

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NeonOctopus
12/26/19 7:49:34 PM
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lilORANG posted...
Notice what those movies aren't, a trilogy of films set in an established universe trying to tell a large overarching story.

Land before Time has like 20 movies bruh
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CRON
12/26/19 7:50:56 PM
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lilORANG posted...
Notice what those movies aren't, a trilogy of films set in an established universe trying to tell a large overarching story.
Jurassic Park, Back To The Future and Indiana Jones were on that list. \_()_/

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InfinityMonster
12/26/19 7:51:40 PM
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Tbf, Steven Spielberg is pretty much the brains behind most of those.

Also to note that Spielberg, Lucas and Kennedy are very old friends and none of them have really done anything that great in the past decade. Spielberg was just involved with Cats, and that shit is flopping hard.

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XXmiznatorXX
12/26/19 7:51:55 PM
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_BIueMonk posted...
has she made besides

schindler's list
jurassic park
an american tail
hook
gremlins
back to the future
indiana jones
the color purple
who framed roger rabbit
the land before time
poltergeist
and ET.

besides those hidden gems, all her movies SUCK!

FIRE HER!!!
Good thing she literally made none of those movies...
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KillerSlaw
12/26/19 7:54:46 PM
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creativerealms posted...
She also made none of the new Star Wars movies.

Yeah, but she was the person in charge of the studio that made them. She wasn't that with those films I believe.

I feel like Kennedy gets too much crap from one side of this and gets way too little crap from the other side. She deserves criticism for putting so much faith into Rian Johnson IMO. She deserves criticism for creating the Star Wars Story Group too.

I don't believe she deserves much criticism for problems people have with TROS because it sounds like JJ Abrams getting carte blanche was Disney decision and not a Lucasfilm decision, but maybe that isn't true and it was her call.

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Smashingpmkns
12/26/19 7:55:58 PM
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A lot of people don't realize what a producer does. Either way, she has a much better track record than Abrams. Probably a bad idea to point a finger at any single person for however you feel about these movies though.
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KillerSlaw
12/26/19 7:58:26 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
A lot of people don't realize what a producer does. Either way, she has a much better track record than Abrams. Probably a bad idea to point a finger at any single person for however you feel about these movies though.

I think the problem people have is that they believe Kennedy had the power to stop a lot of these problems, and her track record makes it seem like she should have known to stop these problems from happening. (not having a full plan for the trilogy, putting so much faith in directors to write star wars scripts, etc. etc.)

But like, we don't *really* know how much was going on behind the scenes. She was probably under tremendous pressure from Disney to just get it done, or could have mistakenly believed that most people would just eat up anything Star Wars if it had real sets and practical effects.


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creativerealms
12/26/19 8:03:30 PM
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It seems that if you press enough for why someone hates her they will eventually say "The force is female."

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Tyranthraxus
12/26/19 8:08:19 PM
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creativerealms posted...
It seems that if you press enough for why someone hates her they will eventually say "The force is female."
This.

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BakonBitz
12/26/19 8:10:24 PM
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XXmiznatorXX posted...
Good thing she literally made none of those movies...
She didn't make the new Star Wars movies either. So the point being is...she shouldn't be blamed for the poor direction the sequel trilogy took.

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KillerSlaw
12/26/19 8:12:31 PM
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BakonBitz posted...
She didn't make the new Star Wars movies either. So the point being is...she shouldn't be blamed for the poor direction the sequel trilogy took.

And yet I saw nobody make this distinction with Kevin Feige or Amy Pascal

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Kolibri X
12/26/19 8:13:17 PM
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Hollywood nepotism at its finest for fetching coffee for Spielberg in the 70s.

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I Like Toast
12/26/19 8:15:39 PM
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Someone deserves blame for the disjoint between episodes 8 and 9. I like the tlj more and would have rather had rian do ep9 and build off it over jjs reliance on repeating the ot. But if you were going to have jj do 2 films have someone who fits his style do episode 8.

While episode 8 is my favorite movie of the trilogy judging on an individual level. Its the worse of the trilogy since jj didnt want to use what rian set up. rey not being born into a bloodline to be powerful. Luke's sacrifice being the spark that ignites the rebellion. And the force awakening beyond just rey.

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InfinityMonster
12/26/19 8:17:37 PM
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It's not that she's bad as a producer or anything. The point is that she is the president of Lucasfilm, and till Solo, there's been a really hands off approach by the Disney higher ups. Everything goes through her for SW.

Like with the MCU, Kevin Feige gets the credit and everything goes by him, because he's the president of Marvel Studios. He gets everybody to work together and weaves the structure.

Sean Bailey gets shit for all the garbage live action Disney films we've gotten in the past decade because he's the president of Walt Disney Pictures.

Likewise, Edwin Catmull was highly praised as president of Walt Disney Animation/Pixar for almost 3 decades of hits. Jim Morris replaced him a few months ago and who knows how he leads things.

All 4 report to Alan Horn, who reports to Bob Iger. But for the most part, they have a lot of independence. The only actual involvement by them stated publicly is getting Kevin Feige to cross over into Lucasfilm to make a SW. Considering how fucking busy the guy is with the MCU, it seems like a desperate and kind of condescending move.

"We're gonna get another division's president to help"


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stoltenberg11
12/26/19 8:19:20 PM
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What's the point of this topic? That she was involved with some good stuff in the past? The new Star Wars movies suck regardless of what else she's done.

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AlisLandale
12/26/19 8:21:22 PM
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Rey not being related to anybody important makes no sense considering her visions in TFA.

though honestly my assumption before TLJ was just that her parents were disciples of Luke who wanted to hide her from the Knights of Ren. >_>

though knowing Abrams approach to storytelling the actual answer was probably idk let the next guy worry about it <_<

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Tyranthraxus
12/26/19 8:22:12 PM
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InfinityMonster posted...
Like with the MCU, Kevin Feige gets the credit and everything goes by him, because he's the president of Marvel Studios. He gets everybody to work together and weaves the structure.
That's fucking ridiculous. Why is he getting the credit and not Bob Iger?

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TomNook20
12/26/19 8:23:41 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
Its the worse of the trilogy since jj didnt want to use what rian set up

Why would he? He did to RJ what RJ did to him.

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I Like Toast
12/26/19 8:25:57 PM
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AlisLandale posted...
Rey not being related to anybody important makes no sense considering her visions in TFA.
Except you can force wave it away a million different ways for making a vastly more interesting universe. Rather than making the movie that's about space nazis are bad, by undermine the point by showing that you need those pure palpatine bloodlines if you want to be a powerful jedi. Since even anakin was created by palpatine.

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I Like Toast
12/26/19 8:27:07 PM
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TomNook20 posted...


Why would he? He did to RJ what RJ did to him
Because he agreed to take millions of dollars to do the job. If he didn't want to, don't take the job.

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IronWolf87
12/26/19 8:27:39 PM
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creativerealms posted...
It seems that if you press enough for why someone hates her they will eventually say "The force is female."

In legends the force is female tho and like super sexy.
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electricbugs2
12/26/19 8:31:31 PM
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I dont blame Kennedy, except for having multiple directors.

It worked with the OT, because as goofy as Lucas got later on, him being there was the glue for that trilogy. He knew what worked lorewise, and his co directors and long timers like Guinness and Cushing gave industry advice that made those movies flow.

I feel like if they had one gooby running the show throughout the sequels may have flowed a bit better.

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ExtremeLuchador
12/26/19 8:35:02 PM
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Wasn't it her birthday party JFK Jr. was flying to when he died?

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I Like Toast
12/26/19 8:35:06 PM
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electricbugs2 posted...
He knew what worked lorewise,

And jj didnt use Lucas lore keepers to make ep9.

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InfinityMonster
12/26/19 8:35:27 PM
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KillerSlaw posted...
And yet I saw nobody make this distinction with Kevin Feige or Amy Pascal
People also seem to ignore that Kennedy was handpicked by George Lucas and not Disney, while also hating him and his decisions.

Tyranthraxus posted...
That's fucking ridiculous. Why is he getting the credit and not Bob Iger?
Because he's not really involved in Marvel. He's working on a higher level to get all the different presidents and chairmen and whatnot to work together to keep Disney as a whole going forward.

And he's gotten A LOT of credit for that. Did you see his recent $66 million compensation package for all the Disney success for just a single year?

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electricbugs2
12/26/19 8:36:28 PM
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I mean SW lore evolves over time. Imagine if when ROTJ came out people got angry because Palpatine could shoot lightning yet Vader had never done it before.

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Doom_Art
12/26/19 8:42:37 PM
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electricbugs2 posted...
Imagine if when ROTJ came out people got angry because Palpatine could shoot lightning
People did get mad over that

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electricbugs2
12/26/19 8:44:41 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
People did get mad over that
Not surprised, but obviously I wasnt there to witness it first hand. I aint that old damnit.

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XXmiznatorXX
12/26/19 8:46:52 PM
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BakonBitz posted...
She didn't make the new Star Wars movies either. So the point being is...she shouldn't be blamed for the poor direction the sequel trilogy took.
I never said she did. She was the producer for them, though... unlike the other aforementioned films.z
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ExtremeLuchador
12/26/19 9:12:58 PM
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There are old use.net posts from the 1980s complaining about Star Wars, the NBA etc

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Tropicalwood
12/26/19 9:18:27 PM
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CRON posted...
Jurassic Park, Back To The Future and Indiana Jones were on that list. \_()_/
They weren't established though.

But no, she isn't to blame, Disney wanted to pump out a film every year and refused to use any of George Lucas' ideas while scraping screenplays faster than SNL.

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Esrac
12/26/19 9:35:39 PM
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NeonOctopus posted...
Land before Time has like 20 movies bruh

And only one good one.
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Zack_Attackv1
12/26/19 9:40:47 PM
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That was then and this is now.
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IShall_Run_Amok
12/26/19 9:45:28 PM
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Fortunately, she made up for some of those by making the first good Star Wars since the literal 80s.

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ledbowman
12/26/19 9:46:30 PM
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If it's any one person that fucked it up it's Abrams. He gave movie #2 not much interesting to work with, just some vague mysterious hooks. His movie #3 wasn't interested in what #2 developed, just some more shallow bullshit instead

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Polycosm
12/26/19 9:55:36 PM
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The sequel trilogy either had no plan, or didn't adhere to one. An absurd number of directors have been fired and there have been more cancelled movies than there have been released. That's a problem and Kennedy is the common factor.

Star Wars is far from ruined but it needs someone to be awake at the wheel.

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darkphoenix181
12/26/19 10:06:49 PM
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Whoever decided the main heroes should be Rey and not Mara Jade messed up the sequel trilogy.

Should have Mara Jade and Finn, and then have Poe not even exist.
Then Kylo vs. Mara be cousins fighting.

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Skye Reynolds
12/26/19 10:18:04 PM
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_BIueMonk posted...


schindler's list
jurassic park
an american tail
hook
gremlins
back to the future
indiana jones
the color purple
who framed roger rabbit
the land before time
poltergeist
and ET.

Interesting. You can almost pinpoint the exact moment when she said women weren't allowed to be sexy anymore.

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Polycosm
12/26/19 11:53:11 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
Interesting. You can almost pinpoint the exact moment when she said women weren't allowed to be sexy anymore.

You better not be talking about Greta...

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