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Smashingpmkns
01/01/20 9:49:56 PM
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Both Luke and Leia die from performing what is essentially a long distance force phone call. Meanwhile the decrepit old ass Palpatine gets thrown down a reactor shaft and somehow manages to survive. They must have had AT&T.
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LordFarquad1312
01/01/20 9:50:46 PM
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au_gold
01/01/20 9:51:06 PM
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I dont even remember how Leia died. I just remember her body disappearing.

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Smashingpmkns
01/01/20 9:52:44 PM
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au_gold posted...
I dont even remember how Leia died. I just remember her body disappearing.


She Skype called her son with a bad connection.
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AFrench2
01/01/20 10:16:00 PM
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au_gold posted...
I dont even remember how Leia died. I just remember her body disappearing.
She took over Ben's body, made him drop his saber and eat a stab from Rey - she essentially telepathically killed herself.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
01/01/20 10:17:43 PM
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Anakin went out with honor and class, saved his son, destroyed the sith, got to become a force ghost, and got to prove his wife right.

Shame that disney decided to fuck over Luke and Leia the way they did, and lets not even talk about Kylo bitch boy Ren dying to save a Palpatine.

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Gobstoppers12
01/01/20 10:18:08 PM
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AFrench2 posted...
She took over Ben's body
She absolutely didn't do that.

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Smashingpmkns
01/01/20 10:19:52 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
AFrench2 posted...
She took over Ben's body
She absolutely didn't do that.


Yeah she kinda just whispered in his ear from a few planets away.
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AFrench2
01/01/20 10:35:07 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
She absolutely didn't do that.
Yes she did

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DrizztLink
01/01/20 10:36:59 PM
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Gobstoppers12
01/01/20 10:38:29 PM
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AFrench2 posted...
Yes she did
She called out to him, and the sensation of her dying breath is what caused him to drop his saber. Rey felt it a second or two later, after she stabbed him.

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AFrench2
01/01/20 10:42:05 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
She called out to him, and the sensation of her dying breath is what caused him to drop his saber. Rey felt it a second or two later, after she stabbed him.
She didn't die from calling out to him, she died by saving Kylo from the stab. She transferred herself into him momentarily to save him, and killed her physical self in the process but saved Kylo from Rey's stab.

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Smashingpmkns
01/01/20 10:44:05 PM
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AFrench2 posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
She called out to him, and the sensation of her dying breath is what caused him to drop his saber. Rey felt it a second or two later, after she stabbed him.
She didn't die from calling out to him, she died by saving Kylo from the stab. She transferred herself into him momentarily to save him, and killed her physical self in the process but saved Kylo from Rey's stab.


This is not what happened at all lol
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Jabodie
01/01/20 10:45:20 PM
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AFrench2 posted...
She took over Ben's body, made him drop his saber and eat a stab from Rey - she essentially telepathically killed herself.
Lmao, this is the best headcanon explanation of her death.

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parabola_master
01/02/20 12:19:56 AM
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I thought she had a natural death, and in that moment both Ben and Rey felt that she passed away so they stopped fighting

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Wetterdew
01/02/20 2:10:56 AM
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The movie doesn't spell out exactly what happened but it was clearly a result of Rey stabbing ren. If Rey hadn't stabbed him then Leia wouldn't have died. Thematically it makes sense because it shows how embracing violence to quell Ren leads to cruel ironic tragedy. Ren at this point is still very conflicted and can still be good, so it makes sense that killing him would not necessarily be the best thing. So it's no surprise that when Rey tries to do something a bit dark, it backfires and hurts somebody innocent (Leia). Rey stared into the abyss and the abyss stared back. It also ties into her story arc of coming close to the dark side.

Those are the important parts of that scene. The "hows" are honestly insignificant. (Did Leia control Ren, inhabit his body, or just telepathically distract him? It doesn't really matter.) What matters is that she intervened somehow and got caught in the fray when Rey decided it would be good to stab Ren.

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Gobstoppers12
01/02/20 2:17:54 AM
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Wetterdew posted...
The movie doesn't spell out exactly what happened but it was clearly a result of Rey stabbing ren. If Rey hadn't stabbed him then Leia wouldn't have died.

100% false.

Why do you think they had Maz talking to Chewie like..."She knows she has to use all the strength she has left to reach her son."

That was literally the movie telling us through her that Leia's effort to call out to Ben was going to kill her. She was dying when he heard her message. That's why he stopped in the first place.

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NinjaBreakfast
01/02/20 2:24:43 AM
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The Leia thing was extremely unclear and bad and glossed over like every other apparent important moment in ROS

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Akagami_Shanks
01/02/20 2:26:46 AM
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Didn't Luke call out to Leia back in episode v, with a cut off hand and dangling from the bottom of cloud city? lmao

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Wedge Antilles
01/02/20 2:27:50 AM
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I never took it as Leia taking over his body but simply her whispering to Kylo Ren halfway across the galaxy and dying (kinda similar to Luke) which shocked him and gave Rey the opening.

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AFrench2
01/02/20 2:49:26 AM
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People, people...

In the OT it was pretty basic to whisper across the galaxy using the Force. Now you all are sitting here telling me Leia used all her energy and died just by whispering to her son?

No...she got stabbed by Rey and died for her son.

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XXmiznatorXX
01/02/20 2:51:13 AM
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Leia wouldve been better dying offscreen and the Resistance having a funeral scene for her. Than using rehashed footage to try to shoehorn a weird death storyline like they did.
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Wetterdew
01/02/20 2:52:51 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
100% false.

Why do you think they had Maz talking to Chewie like..."She knows she has to use all the strength she has left to reach her son."

That was literally the movie telling us through her that Leia's effort to call out to Ben was going to kill her. She was dying when he heard her message. That's why he stopped in the first place.
I don't remember that line but ok. I would honestly prefer it if Rey's action caused her death because it's more tragic and it would highlight the double-edged nature of such violence

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AFrench2
01/02/20 2:57:19 AM
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That line had nothing to do with the literal proximity it took to get to her son using the Force. The line had to do with figuratively "reaching" him as in getting through to him.

It's going to take all her strength to try and get through to him.

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SpaceBear_
01/02/20 3:02:53 AM
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Mad how they killed both Skywalkers in the same bullshit way

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au_gold
01/02/20 3:09:46 AM
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Im sure its because they couldnt film a proper death scene after Carrie Fisher died. Thats one element of the movie I can forgive.

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Jabodie
01/02/20 3:26:20 AM
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AFrench2 posted...
People, people...

In the OT it was pretty basic to whisper across the galaxy using the Force. Now you all are sitting here telling me Leia used all her energy and died just by whispering to her son?

No...she got stabbed by Rey and died for her son.
Do you really believe this?

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Parappa09
01/02/20 3:29:08 AM
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NinjaBreakfast posted...
The Leia thing was extremely unclear and bad and glossed over like every other apparent important moment in ROS
an incoherent major plot point from jj abrams?

say it ain't so

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Smashingpmkns
01/02/20 10:05:38 AM
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Wetterdew posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
100% false.

Why do you think they had Maz talking to Chewie like..."She knows she has to use all the strength she has left to reach her son."

That was literally the movie telling us through her that Leia's effort to call out to Ben was going to kill her. She was dying when he heard her message. That's why he stopped in the first place.
I don't remember that line but ok. I would honestly prefer it if Rey's action caused her death because it's more tragic and it would highlight the double-edged nature of such violence


You probably should have wrote the movie
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Doom_Art
01/02/20 11:00:58 AM
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Somehow I don't imagine Luke and Leia using the dark side to turn themselves in liches like Ol Sheev

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CruelBuffalo
01/02/20 11:03:37 AM
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au_gold posted...
Im sure its because they couldnt film a proper death scene after Carrie Fisher died. Thats one element of the movie I can forgive.

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pikachupwnage
01/02/20 11:06:56 AM
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AFrench2 posted...
People, people...

In the OT it was pretty basic to whisper across the galaxy using the Force. Now you all are sitting here telling me Leia used all her energy and died just by whispering to her son?

No...she got stabbed by Rey and died for her son.

The people doing the talking were already dead though.

Also Leia's role was always gonna be awkward. Carrie Fisher died so they were kinda limited in how they could handle it.

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GrandConjuraton
01/02/20 11:09:39 AM
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Not gonna lie, I lol'ed.


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Doom_Art
01/02/20 11:15:21 AM
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I assumed it wasn't the talking that killed Leia it was that she bonded to Ben and was actively working to pull him back that was so stressful and traumatic to her

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AFrench2
01/02/20 1:01:22 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
I assumed it wasn't the talking that killed Leia it was that she bonded to Ben and was actively working to pull him back that was so stressful and traumatic to her
Exactly, she bonded to him

but then he got stabbed so she felt it.

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NinjaBreakfast
01/02/20 1:09:50 PM
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The main writer guy who has been thrown to the wolves during the ROS press run (terrio iirc) has said its as simple as Leia reaching out to 'cure' her son

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I Like Toast
01/02/20 1:19:30 PM
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AFrench2 posted...
She didn't die from calling out to him, she died by saving Kylo from the stab. She transferred herself into him momentarily to save him, and killed her physical self in the process but saved Kylo from Rey's stab

https://i.imgur.com/VnQ2CNW.gif

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