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EndOfDiscOne 01/02/20 10:24:38 AM #1:	I always thought that he eventually fulfilled the prophecy by killing Palpatine. But that's a lolnope. Is there a fan consensus on this issue? --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:932360769] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>I always thought that he eventually fulfilled the prophecy by killing Palpatine. But that's a lolnope. Is there a fan consensus on this issue? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nativengine 01/02/20 10:27:46 AM #2:	Stupid, the prophecy was. --- Jive Turkey <cite>nativengine posted [p:932360864] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>Stupid, the prophecy was. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 01/02/20 10:28:05 AM #3:	"Bring back the balance, Rey. As I did." --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:932360873] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>"Bring back the balance, Rey. As I did." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xenozoa425 01/02/20 10:35:00 AM #4:	He did bring balance. But Palpatine tipped the balance when he cheated death, Rey restored the balance again. It's a 50/50 and depends on how you view balance in the Force. Technically having no Sith or darkside users is still having the Force in balance, because the darkside is considered a perversion of the light. --- "Your flesh is a relic, a mere vessel. Hand over your flesh, and a new world awaits you. We demand it." <cite>Xenozoa425 posted [p:932361085] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>He did bring balance. But Palpatine tipped the balance when he cheated death, Rey restored the balance again. It's a 50/50 and depends on how you view balance in the Force. Technically having no Sith or darkside users is still having the Force in balance, because the darkside is considered a perversion of the light. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BurmesePenguin 01/02/20 10:36:41 AM #5:	Stupid prequel retcon is retconned out. Nothing of value was lost. <cite>BurmesePenguin posted [p:932361132] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>Stupid prequel retcon is retconned out. Nothing of value was lost. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 01/02/20 10:37:17 AM #6:	I also like the idea that the force is an irrational force of nature and it is inherently incapable of keeping itself balanced --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:932361149] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>I also like the idea that the force is an irrational force of nature and it is inherently incapable of keeping itself balanced </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerSlaw 01/02/20 10:42:18 AM #7:	Doom_Art posted... "Bring back the balance, Rey. As I did." So the whole prophecy was about bringing back balance for less than 30 years? --- https://imgur.com/shFkzJJ <cite>KillerSlaw posted [p:932361304] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>Doom_Art posted... </cite> <quote>"Bring back the balance, Rey. As I did."</quote> So the whole prophecy was about bringing back balance for less than 30 years? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xenozoa425 01/02/20 10:43:45 AM #8:	KillerSlaw posted... So the whole prophecy was about bringing back balance for less than 30 years? Not his fault that Palpatine cheated. --- "Your flesh is a relic, a mere vessel. Hand over your flesh, and a new world awaits you. We demand it." <cite>Xenozoa425 posted [p:932361345] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>KillerSlaw posted... </cite> <quote>So the whole prophecy was about bringing back balance for less than 30 years?</quote>Not his fault that Palpatine cheated. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pikachupwnage 01/02/20 10:46:20 AM #9:	KillerSlaw posted... So the whole prophecy was about bringing back balance for less than 30 years? I mean the idea that he would bring eternal Balance is silly. --- My Mario Maker 2 Maker ID is J2K-RFD-K4G Even In sigs FOE! http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/665/328/d75.gif <cite>pikachupwnage posted [p:932361409] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>KillerSlaw posted... </cite> <quote>So the whole prophecy was about bringing back balance for less than 30 years?</quote> I mean the idea that he would bring eternal Balance is silly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerSlaw 01/02/20 10:47:54 AM #10:	pikachupwnage posted... I mean the idea that he would bring eternal Balance is silly. So what's a good timeframe? 5 years? 1 year? --- https://imgur.com/shFkzJJ <cite>KillerSlaw posted [p:932361462] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>pikachupwnage posted... </cite> <quote>I mean the idea that he would bring eternal Balance is silly.</quote> So what's a good timeframe? 5 years? 1 year? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 01/02/20 10:59:51 AM #11:	KillerSlaw posted... So the whole prophecy was about bringing back balance for less than 30 years? "A prophecy that misread could have been." --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:932361812] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>KillerSlaw posted... </cite> <quote>So the whole prophecy was about bringing back balance for less than 30 years?</quote>"A prophecy that misread could have been." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 01/02/20 11:01:18 AM #12:	I don't know why the idea that things can get off balance again triggers people so hard. --- If you're going through hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill <cite>Squall28 posted [p:932361866] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>I don't know why the idea that things can get off balance again triggers people so hard. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilORANG 01/02/20 11:16:28 AM #13:	It's less than 30 years. Snoke was around long before the events of the new trilogy, and seemed to know Ben as a youngster, and he was a puppet of Palps, so Palps really didn't go away for long. --- Posted using GameFlux <cite>lilORANG posted [p:932362351] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>It's less than 30 years. Snoke was around long before the events of the new trilogy, and seemed to know Ben as a youngster, and he was a puppet of Palps, so Palps really didn't go away for long.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 01/02/20 11:20:32 AM #15:	There were like hundreds of jedi and 2 sith before order 66 and the daycare murders. He balanced the hell out of the force. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:932362488] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>There were like hundreds of jedi and 2 sith before order 66 and the daycare murders. He balanced the hell out of the force. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sLaCkEr408___RJ 01/02/20 11:21:43 AM #16:	Disney era isn't canon. Think of it as an alternate universe. Like marve comics. <cite>sLaCkEr408___RJ posted [p:932362530] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>Disney era isn't canon. Think of it as an alternate universe. Like marve comics. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 01/02/20 11:23:36 AM #17:	s0nicfan posted... There were like hundreds of jedi and 2 sith before order 66 and the daycare murders. He balanced the hell out of the force. "Now there's two jedi and two sith! Tha-That's not balance!" sLaCkEr408___RJ posted... Think of it as an alternate universe That's Legends --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:932362588] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite> <quote>There were like hundreds of jedi and 2 sith before order 66 and the daycare murders. He balanced the hell out of the force.</quote>"Now there's two jedi and two sith! Tha-That's not balance!" sLaCkEr408___RJ posted... </cite> <quote>Think of it as an alternate universe</quote>That's Legends </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sLaCkEr408___RJ 01/02/20 11:24:53 AM #18:	Squall28 posted... I don't know why the idea that things can get off balance again triggers people so hard. The Chosen One wasn't prophesied to end all conflict. Just to destroy the Sith. Anakin did fulfill this prophesy. For some reason Disney brought the Sith back in the episode ix. Nostalgia pandering methinks <cite>sLaCkEr408___RJ posted [p:932362625] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted... </cite> <quote>I don't know why the idea that things can get off balance again triggers people so hard.</quote>The Chosen One wasn't prophesied to end all conflict. Just to destroy the Sith. Anakin did fulfill this prophesy. For some reason Disney brought the Sith back in the episode ix. Nostalgia pandering methinks </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jagr_68 01/02/20 11:25:17 AM #19:	s0nicfan posted... There were like hundreds of jedi and 2 sith before order 66 and the daycare murders. He balanced the hell out of the force. Mathematically, you are absolutely not wrong here. --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://media.giphy.com/media/WvQHBYW0q4TuxdAg61/giphy.gif https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 <cite>Jagr_68 posted [p:932362636] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite> <quote>There were like hundreds of jedi and 2 sith before order 66 and the daycare murders. He balanced the hell out of the force.</quote> Mathematically, you are absolutely not wrong here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 01/02/20 11:25:59 AM #20:	Anakin did destroy the Sith The Sith weren't brought back in TRoS, that was the point --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:932362660] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>Anakin did destroy the Sith The Sith weren't brought back in TRoS, that was the point </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HBOSS 01/02/20 11:27:59 AM #21:	yes and the force moves in mysterious ways. surprise!! force ghosts only appear to crazy hermits. --- You don't stop playing because you grow old, You grow old because you stop playing <cite>HBOSS posted [p:932362723] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>yes and the force moves in mysterious ways. surprise!! force ghosts only appear to crazy hermits. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 01/02/20 11:28:02 AM #22:	Palpatine was originally meant to never come back. It was only at the suggestion of Kathleen Kennedy that he was even added into IX. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:932362724] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>Palpatine was originally meant to never come back. It was only at the suggestion of Kathleen Kennedy that he was even added into IX.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 01/02/20 11:28:48 AM #23:	Paragon21XX posted... Kathleen Kennedy takes a shot --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:932362743] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>Paragon21XX posted... </cite> <quote>Kathleen Kennedy</quote>takes a shot </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phewfus 01/02/20 11:31:56 AM #24:	You would think obiwan would have told Luke at the end of rotj that palpatine was still alive and to stop dancing with teddy bears. <cite>Phewfus posted [p:932362846] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>You would think obiwan would have told Luke at the end of rotj that palpatine was still alive and to stop dancing with teddy bears. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpaceBear_ 01/02/20 11:32:28 AM #25:	The fuck is 'balance' supposed to mean in this context? --- - God bless, downtime and TheSlinja. YNWA GameFAQs' Favourite Sons. - Official Barman Of Champion Pub <cite>SpaceBear_ posted [p:932362870] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>The fuck is 'balance' supposed to mean in this context? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jagr_68 01/02/20 11:33:36 AM #26:	HBOSS posted... yes and the force moves in mysterious ways. surprise!! force ghosts only appear to crazy hermits. Force Ghosts also literally use the Force whether it's lightning or via tangibility projection now >____> --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://media.giphy.com/media/WvQHBYW0q4TuxdAg61/giphy.gif https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 <cite>Jagr_68 posted [p:932362898] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>HBOSS posted... </cite> <quote>yes and the force moves in mysterious ways. surprise!! force ghosts only appear to crazy hermits.</quote> Force Ghosts also literally use the Force whether it's lightning or via tangibility projection now >____> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 01/02/20 11:34:03 AM #27:	Phewfus posted... You would think obiwan would have told Luke at the end of rotj that palpatine was still alive and to stop dancing with teddy bears. Would force ghosts be omniscient to that point though Particularly when it was established in the PT that Sheev can use the dark side to cloak himself? --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:932362913] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>Phewfus posted... </cite> <quote>You would think obiwan would have told Luke at the end of rotj that palpatine was still alive and to stop dancing with teddy bears.</quote>Would force ghosts be omniscient to that point though Particularly when it was established in the PT that Sheev can use the dark side to cloak himself? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 01/02/20 11:35:06 AM #28:	SpaceBear_ posted... The fuck is 'balance' supposed to mean in this context? The word they meant to use but didn't was "purify". Balance in this specific case meant killing the last of the sith, which isn't balance at all. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:932362944] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>SpaceBear_ posted... </cite> <quote>The fuck is 'balance' supposed to mean in this context?</quote> The word they meant to use but didn't was "purify". Balance in this specific case meant killing the last of the sith, which isn't balance at all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 01/02/20 11:38:35 AM #29:	https://i.imgur.com/sQT8Gys.jpg --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:932363042] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>https://i.imgur.com/sQT8Gys.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 01/02/20 11:42:08 AM #30:	Doom_Art posted... takes a shot <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:932363155] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>Doom_Art posted... </cite> <quote>takes a shot</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phewfus 01/02/20 11:42:18 AM #31:	Doom_Art posted... Would force ghosts be omniscient to that point though Particularly when it was established in the PT that Sheev can use the dark side to cloak himself? Considering how powerful force ghosts are now, why not? It's a transcending level beyond the limitations of a mortal Jedi susceptible to darkside influence. <cite>Phewfus posted [p:932363161] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>Doom_Art posted... </cite> <quote>Would force ghosts be omniscient to that point though Particularly when it was established in the PT that Sheev can use the dark side to cloak himself?</quote>Considering how powerful force ghosts are now, why not? It's a transcending level beyond the limitations of a mortal Jedi susceptible to darkside influence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfinityMonster 01/02/20 11:43:17 AM #32:	Yes. Palpatine coming back was just some BS added by JJ right before TRoS was written. KK said it was always the plan, but Colin Trevorrow just said last month there was nothing about him in his script and it was all JJ's stuff when he returned. --- "It lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge" <cite>InfinityMonster posted [p:932363187] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>Yes. Palpatine coming back was just some BS added by JJ right before TRoS was written. KK said it was always the plan, but Colin Trevorrow just said last month there was nothing about him in his script and it was all JJ's stuff when he returned. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gheb 01/02/20 11:44:14 AM #33:	SpaceBear_ posted... The fuck is 'balance' supposed to mean in this context? The dark side and the Sith in paritcular are a perversion of the natural state of the Force and throw it out of balance. Balance doesn't mean that you need an equal number of Jedi and Sith, but that the Sith don't exist at all. --- S** I have to stop doing that," Gheb said, as he lay back down and died again.* - Forgotten Love Chiefs are going to win the Super Bowl <cite>Gheb posted [p:932363218] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>SpaceBear_ posted... </cite> <quote>The fuck is 'balance' supposed to mean in this context?</quote>The dark side and the Sith in paritcular are a perversion of the natural state of the Force and throw it out of balance. Balance doesn't mean that you need an equal number of Jedi and Sith, but that the Sith don't exist at all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trelve 01/02/20 11:45:16 AM #34:	What stops Palpatine from just returning again in another 30 years? Him exploding at the bottom of the Death Star and Rey electrocuting him to pieces isn't that different. <cite>Trelve posted [p:932363262] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>What stops Palpatine from just returning again in another 30 years? Him exploding at the bottom of the Death Star and Rey electrocuting him to pieces isn't that different. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 01/02/20 11:45:50 AM #35:	InfinityMonster posted... Yes. Palpatine coming back was just some BS added by JJ right before TRoS was written. KK said it was always the plan, but Colin Trevorrow just said last month there was nothing about him in his script and it was all JJ's stuff when he returned. But Kathleen Kennedy tho --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:932363283] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>InfinityMonster posted... </cite> <quote>Yes. Palpatine coming back was just some BS added by JJ right before TRoS was written. KK said it was always the plan, but Colin Trevorrow just said last month there was nothing about him in his script and it was all JJ's stuff when he returned.</quote>But Kathleen Kennedy tho </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfinityMonster 01/02/20 11:46:42 AM #36:	Doom_Art posted... But Kathleen Kennedy tho ? --- "It lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge" <cite>InfinityMonster posted [p:932363312] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>Doom_Art posted... </cite> <quote>But Kathleen Kennedy tho</quote>? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerSlaw 01/02/20 12:45:50 PM #37:	InfinityMonster posted... ? Kathleen Kennedy is a trigger for Doom_Art. Don't take it too seriously. He thinks anyone that holds her accountable for anything having to do with the new Star Wars is worth ridicule. --- https://imgur.com/shFkzJJ <cite>KillerSlaw posted [p:932365443] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>InfinityMonster posted... </cite> <quote>?</quote> Kathleen Kennedy is a trigger for Doom_Art. Don't take it too seriously. He thinks anyone that holds her accountable for anything having to do with the new Star Wars is worth ridicule. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XXmiznatorXX 01/02/20 12:48:02 PM #38:	Trelve posted... What stops Palpatine from just returning again in another 30 years? Him exploding at the bottom of the Death Star and Rey electrocuting him to pieces isn't that different. He told Rey to kill him and she did. So is the Rey that went to Tattooine really Sheev, or Rey?? <cite>XXmiznatorXX posted [p:932365524] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>Trelve posted... </cite> <quote>What stops Palpatine from just returning again in another 30 years? Him exploding at the bottom of the Death Star and Rey electrocuting him to pieces isn't that different.</quote>He told Rey to kill him and she did. So is the Rey that went to Tattooine really Sheev, or Rey?? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerSlaw 01/02/20 12:51:34 PM #39:	XXmiznatorXX posted... He told Rey to kill him and she did. So is the Rey that went to Tattooine really Sheev, or Rey?? The Rey that went to Tattooine is a ~~Skywalker~~, that's all that matters. --- https://imgur.com/shFkzJJ <cite>KillerSlaw posted [p:932365654] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>XXmiznatorXX posted... </cite> <quote>He told Rey to kill him and she did. So is the Rey that went to Tattooine really Sheev, or Rey?? </quote> The Rey that went to Tattooine is a Skywalker, that's all that matters. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 01/02/20 12:56:52 PM #40:	XXmiznatorXX posted... He told Rey to kill him and she did. So is the Rey that went to Tattooine really Sheev, or Rey?? Kylo touched her stomach when they kissed, so Rey is now force pregnant with an evil force baby just like Shmi. BAM... I just wrote the next trilogy. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:932365892] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>XXmiznatorXX posted... </cite> <quote>He told Rey to kill him and she did. So is the Rey that went to Tattooine really Sheev, or Rey?? </quote> Kylo touched her stomach when they kissed, so Rey is now force pregnant with an evil force baby just like Shmi. BAM... I just wrote the next trilogy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 01/02/20 1:02:52 PM #41:	XXmiznatorXX posted... He told Rey to kill him and she did. So is the Rey that went to Tattooine really Sheev, or Rey?? He told her to strike him down in anger to complete her journey to the Dark Side. She did not, and only defended herself, which is basically the epitome of the Jedi way. She reflects his own lightning back at him, much like Mace did. This is spelled out by the movie, not sure how you missed it. --- http://goforbeau.com/ <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:932366150] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote>XXmiznatorXX posted... </cite> <quote>He told Rey to kill him and she did. So is the Rey that went to Tattooine really Sheev, or Rey?? </quote> He told her to strike him down in anger to complete her journey to the Dark Side. She did not, and only defended herself, which is basically the epitome of the Jedi way. She reflects his own lightning back at him, much like Mace did. This is spelled out by the movie, not sure how you missed it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sLaCkEr408___RJ 01/02/20 2:32:27 PM #42:	s0nicfan posted... Kylo touched her stomach when they kissed, so Rey is now force pregnant with an evil force baby just like Shmi. BAM... I just wrote the next trilogy. I think you're on to something <cite>sLaCkEr408___RJ posted [p:932369627] in Did Anakin... [t:78300102]...</cite> <quote> s0nicfan posted... </cite> <quote>Kylo touched her stomach when they kissed, so Rey is now force pregnant with an evil force baby just like Shmi. BAM... I just wrote the next trilogy.</quote>I think you're on to something </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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