Current Events > Am I the only one who thought Rise of the Skywalker was just bad?

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The story made no sense.

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yes you are literally the only one

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I just saw it

It was not a good story, at all

JJ Abrams thinks he's Steven Spielberg but he's a Michael Bay at best

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Doctor Foxx posted...

JJ Abrams thinks he's Steven Spielberg but he's a Michael Bay at best

You took the words right out of my mouth.


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I don't watch Star wars past 2005

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Doctor Foxx posted...

I just saw it

It was not a good story, at all

JJ Abrams thinks he's Steven Spielberg but he's a Michael Bay at best

Reportedly JJ wanted ROS to go a different way but TLJ screwed up his plans so he said fuck it for ROS.

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Rikiaz posted...

Reportedly JJ wanted ROS to go a different way but TLJ screwed up his plans so he said fuck it for ROS.

He set absolutely zero of Rise of Skywalker up with episode 7, so he can moan all he want. He churned out fanservice that sells merchandise: same as his first Star Wars attempt, turned up to 11

His excuse doesn't do anything about the six character deaths that weren't deaths, and doesn't explain why he failed to do anything including namedropping with Palpatine until right now

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My hot take is I saw Cats (2019) and Rise of Skywalker (2019) and if I had no choice but to pay to see one of them again... I'd pick Cats. The suffering is over sooner and I felt a little less insulted in the end.

But I'm not gonna go after either willingly again

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Rikiaz posted...

Reportedly JJ wanted ROS to go a different way but TLJ screwed up his plans so he said fuck it for ROS.

He didn't have any plans because he wasn't expecting to do it when he made TFA. It was supposed to be the Jurassic World director doing episode 9.
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By now I've accepted the bastardization the new trilogy has made of the original story and went into ROS with low expectations. Just finished watching it tonight and I enjoyed it. There were some big wtf moments but overall it was easier to watch than TLJ. The slapstick comedy in that movie was horrible

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Anybody who thinks this is better than TLJ automatically exposes themselves as having terrible opinions on film

It was terrible

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I mean I don't think it's bad as in I didn't enjoy watching it (I'm really only in it for eye candy and music). But compared to the other sequels it is garbage.

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Rikiaz posted...

Reportedly JJ wanted ROS to go a different way but TLJ screwed up his plans so he said fuck it for ROS.

Nah, him and Chris Terrio said that it was a big challenge on where to go after TLJ because it left only Kylo Ren, who was conflicted, and couldn't be the final villain. They even consulted George Lucas before writing the script. This was the best way they could take it and in a very short and stressed time frame because the previous dude was fired and they had to start from scratch.

Obviously the stuff he was trying to set up in TFA was supposed to go in a different direction had he done all 3, but TLJ shitfest kind of fucked up the entire trilogy in the end. I think if he did all 3, the ST would have been much better.


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Malfunction posted...

Anybody who thinks this is better than TLJ automatically exposes themselves as having terrible opinions on film

As a film it was ok, when considering the implications of the story in the larger context of the series and how certain things were handled it was terrible

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of course it's bad. It can't even explain how Palpatine is back. Rey steals the Skywalker name despite being a descendant of pure evil. And fulfills her destiny as Mary Sue Supreme. Lol the movie is a joke.

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No it was good actually. All 9 movies are more or less of equal quality.

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InfinityMonster posted...

Nah, him and Chris Terrio said that it was a big challenge on where to go after TLJ because it left only Kylo Ren, who was conflicted, and couldn't be the final villain.

Really shows how creatively bankrupt these people are that this is the thing that stumps them.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Really shows how creatively bankrupt these people are that this is the thing that stumps them.

+1

"Guys, we only have the most compelling actor and character in the whole trilogy left to set up as the bad guy, WTF? We need a generic puppet master big bad STAT"

Cotton_Eye_Joe posted...

The story made no sense.

There was a story? I thought it was just 20 bajillion stupid set pieces cut together into a .mp4 file.

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EvalAngell posted...

It can't even explain how Palpatine is back.

Yeah, when the visual dictionary is basically required reading so that you know what was happening in the movie, you've fucked up. Those things are supposed to be fun bonuses, not places to fill in the important blanks that the movie failed to explain.

The dictionary basically said that the large amount of Sith Cultists in Exogol took the pieces of Palpatine's body (since he blew up), stitched him together, took him to Exogol and attached him to that robot arm. And also that planet Kylo was on at the very beginning was Mustafar and he was going after one of Vader's temples there.

I still think they're enjoyable movies to watch, but having a cohesive story was clearly an afterthought for this trilogy.

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Palpatines reveal was terrible. Probably the biggest opportunity for a villians reveal and they chose the opening credits and trailers...

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Darmik posted...

He didn't have any plans because he wasn't expecting to do it when he made TFA. It was supposed to be the Jurassic World director doing episode 9.

Who's genius plan was to have 3 different directors?

Fire them please.

It's the dumbest SW film hands down. Not counting the Ewok films or Holiday Special.

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darkphoenix181 posted...

Who's genius plan was to have 3 different directors?

Fire them please.

When they went with different directors for a SW trilogy before, it was a disaster

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darkphoenix181 posted...

Who's genius plan was to have 3 different directors?

Fire them please.

Exactly. Its like most of the ideas for the ST were brainstormed by interns and amateurs.

I mean, they didn't even have a overarching storyline before releasing any of the film's

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EndOfDiscOne posted...

When they went with different directors for a SW trilogy before, it was a disaster

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George Directed all 6 before the st

The story was ass but it's still watchable

darkphoenix181 posted...

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George Directed all 6 before the st

He didn't direct ESB or RotJ

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Really shows how creatively bankrupt these people are that this is the thing that stumps them.

Not really.

Ben is a Skywalker. They were never going to end with him not back to the light. In which case, the shit would have ended just like RotJ, or like TRoS already did

There weren't many places to go after Snoke. Malfunction's idea about a 3rd faction is worse than what we got. No one has given any good direction to go with that doesn't sound as dumb as what we already we got or just a repeat with a few things moved around. Not really the time to do this in a wrap up.

Kylo Ren was never compelling as any type of final bad. Dude's been getting punked around since TFA. The biggest mistake with Palpatine is not setting him up in earlier movies, which would have lessened the blow. Afterall, he's as linked to the Skywalker Saga as the Skywalkers are.

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darkphoenix181 posted...

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George Directed all 6 before the st

George did NOT direct the best one (ESB)

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If the people behind TFA and TROS did all three we'd just have a remake of the OT with characters in different positions.

Even if Palpatine was the only thing they could think of they could have handled that way better.

The Sith cultists brought back Palpatine with unnatural methods so the Force manifested Rey just like it manifested Anakin all those years ago. Ties everything set up in both TFA and TLJ without contradicting anything and even ties things to the PT.
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Darmik posted...

If the people behind TFA and TROS did all three we'd just have a remake of the OT with characters in different positions.

Instead we got ANH, Chase Scene, and Rushed Movie. I'll take my odds with one person behind everything, instead of a guy who ignored the notes left by the first guy, while guy 3 was fired and they had to rush back in guy 1 and overwork him.

Darmik posted...

Even if Palpatine was the only thing they could think of they could have handled that way better.

The Sith cultists brought back Palpatine with unnatural methods so the Force manifested Rey just like it manifested Anakin all those years ago. Ties everything set up in both TFA and TLJ without contradicting anything and even ties things to the PT.

Palpatine gave a whole speech about coming back and shit in RotS.

He repeated that exact line in TRoS. Rey being who she is doesn't really change much. Anakin was the chosen one prophesied for eons. Can't just have one popping every few years.

The problem wasn't that Palpatine was back, it was how they just popped him in out of nowhere with zero setup in TFA or TLJ and that was specifically because of TLJ.


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InfinityMonster posted...

Instead we got ANH, Chase Scene, and Rushed Movie. I'll take my odds with one person behind everything, instead of a guy who ignored the notes left by the first guy, while guy 3 was fired and they had to rush back in guy 1 and overwork him.

What notes did JJ leave behind? There was never going to be a satisfying 'twist' to Rey's origin and that was the position he was dumped into to figure out. He basically either had to remake ESB or think of something else. They never gave him the keys to the third movie so just like JJ with TFA whoever got the job next wasn't his problem. Did RJ get to 'leave notes' like JJ?

InfinityMonster posted...

The problem wasn't that Palpatine was back, it was how they just popped him in out of nowhere with zero setup in TFA or TLJ and that was specifically because of TLJ.

It wasn't specifically because of TLJ because as you mentioned absolutely nothing hinted at it in TFA either. It outright makes no sense at all. It wasn't even like they managed to reverse TLJ and give a good conclusion to anything set up in TFA.

I mean if they were utterly clueless on how to make a good movie because Snoke was dead I don't know why you'd give these guys so much credit. Hell if Snoke was some amazing villain that we missed out on because of selfish Rian Johnson they should have brought back the guy with robot legs and proved their point.
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Suikoden420 posted...

Palpatines reveal was terrible. Probably the biggest opportunity for a villians reveal and they chose the opening credits and trailers...

If they didn't tease him in the trailers and set me up to expect some dumbshit involving him, I would have considered walking out of the theater at the beginning of the movie.

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Palpatine was a bad idea, but tbh every possible villain was a bad idea.

Ren had been getting his ass kicked every movie. Hux was a clown. Who else...that might have been it. Neither of them would have led to an even slightly entertaining climax. Snoke at least had the benefit of staying out of combat until what they did to him in TLJ. But its hard to imagine what they would have done with him that wouldnt have just been Diet Palpatine. >_>

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Darmik posted...

What notes did JJ leave behind? There was never going to be a satisfying 'twist' to Rey's origin and that was the position he was dumped into to figure out. He basically either had to remake ESB or think of something else. They never gave him the keys to the third movie so just like JJ with TFA whoever got the job next wasn't his problem. Did RJ get to 'leave notes' like JJ?

JJ was supposed to do all 3 and drafted the other two. His direction was totally different and RJ has said he decided to take massive leeway in doing what he wants, to the point he had JJ change the ending of TFA.

Rey being related to Palpatine was already hinted at in TFA in the style she fought Kylo Ren, which was much like how Palpatine fought Mace. It's where the whole theory started.

Darmik posted...

It wasn't specifically because of TLJ because as you mentioned absolutely nothing hinted at it in TFA either. It outright makes no sense at all. It wasn't even like they managed to reverse TLJ and give a good conclusion to anything set up in TFA.

Yes, did you read what I wrote? I mentioned TFA.

Darmik posted...

I mean if they were utterly clueless on how to make a good movie because Snoke was dead I don't know why you'd give these guys so much credit. Hell if Snoke was some amazing villain that we missed out on because of selfish Rian Johnson they should have brought back the guy with robot legs and proved their point.

Because JJ didn't see it that way. He created the character and he had other plans for Snoke and it got fucked and bringing him back would have just made TLJ even more pointless, which I'm sure Disney didn't want.

So they had to scramble up a totally different movie than what he originally wanted. This is because of TLJ.

As I've said before, any direction they took the ST would have just been retreads. It's not like TLJ did anything special or really out there. It just fucked up the entire trilogy instead. I rather something more coherent, even if it's a retread. I mean, you just said that the best way to handle Palpatine was to redo the whole chosen one BS again, which wouldn't even jive with TLJ, and would be even less believable than what we got.

Now, if people really wanted a totally different type of ST, they should have gone with GL's plans for the Whills and going into the Force and shit. Sounds wacky, but at least it would have been different with only some of the elements we saw in the ST.

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TLJ clearly ruined everything.

It peak should have been: Rey, I am your Grandfather. They might as well copied the OT.

Regardless Palpatine being brought back is only one part of this movies issues.

Snoke being dead didn't force them to reveal Palpatine was alive in a Fortnite event

Snoke being dead didn't force them to retcon Rey's origin in TLJ with a half-assed "Akchsually I wasn't technically wrong" explanation.

Snoke being dead didn't force them to make up the random Rey assassin dagger plot that makes no sense when you think about it for one second

Snoke being dead didn't force them to make up a video game fetch quest to find the path to Palpatine for most of the movie that is made irrelevant at the end anyway. Coincidentally TFA also was a fetch quest to find Luke.

Snoke being dead didn't force them to randomly retcon Poe into being a spice smuggler which adds absolutely nothing to anything

Snoke being dead didn't force them to just do absolutely nothing with Finn outside of shouting for Rey

Snoke being dead didn't force them to do constant fake outs like C-3PO's memory wipe and Chewie's death

Snoke being dead didn't force them to randomly add new characters like Charlie from Lost or the random bounty hunter who gives up her ship for Poe only to arrive to the final battle in a ship anyway.

It's just an excuse. Like you don't see Terminator writers crying about Terminator 2's ending to make up an excuse for why the sequels are bad.
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InfinityMonster posted...

JJ was supposed to do all 3 and drafted the other two. His direction was totally different and RJ has said he decided to take massive leeway in doing what he wants, to the point he had JJ change the ending of TFA.

Rey being related to Palpatine was already hinted at in TFA in the style she fought Kylo Ren, which was much like how Palpatine fought Mace. It's where the whole theory started.

Yes, did you read what I wrote? I mentioned TFA.

Because JJ didn't see it that way. He created the character and he had other plans for Snoke and it got fucked and bringing him back would have just made TLJ even more pointless, which I'm sure Disney didn't want.

So they had to scramble up a totally different movie than what he originally wanted. This is because of TLJ.

As I've said before, any direction they took the ST would have just been retreads. It's not like TLJ did anything special or really out there. It just fucked up the entire trilogy instead. I rather something more coherent, even if it's a retread. I mean, you just said that the best way to handle Palpatine was to redo the whole chosen one BS again, which wouldn't even jive with TLJ, and would be even less believable than what we got.

Now, if people really wanted a totally different type of ST, they should have gone with GL's plans for the Whills and going into the Force and shit. Sounds wacky, but at least it would have been different with only some of the elements we saw in the ST.

If Rey being a Palpatine was his direction from the start you're basically saying that TROS would have been two shitty movies instead of one. Snoke still would have been pointless, shitty villain that would be disposed for the real one. Rey's reveal still would have been a lame retreat that scales the galaxy down to the same families and bloodlines. Kylo Ren still would have had the exact same arc as Darth Vader.

Han Solo died like Obi-Wan so we saw that. So we missed out on Luke being a Yoda retread I guess.
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Alright, now you're just babbling nonsense bringing up video games and shit.

The point is that TLJ fucked up the trilogy. I'm not saying TRoS is amazing or anything. JJ and Chris Terrio had to start from scratch after TLJ and then they were overworked and had to cut the shit up into a rushed mess.

This wouldn't have happened had JJ just done his 3 movies. There's nothing else to argue.

Darmik posted...

If Rey being a Palpatine was his direction from the start you're basically saying that TROS would have been two shitty movies instead of one. Snoke still would have been pointless, shitty villain that would be disposed for the real one. Rey's reveal still would have been a lame retreat that scales the galaxy down to the same families and bloodlines. Kylo Ren still would have had the exact same arc as Darth Vader.

Han Solo died like Obi-Wan so we saw that. So we missed out on Luke being a Yoda retread I guess.

Palpatine doesn't have to be involved for that you know.

And everything else I pretty much just said dude. Are you reading my posts or just skimming them?

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If Palpatine isn't involved with Rey being a Palpatine what's the fucking point?

The reveal of Luke being Vader's son wasn't a big deal because the Skywalkers are powerful. It complicated the plot because Luke's sworn enemy was his own father and he needs to confront that. It's an actual part of his character development.

Rey being a Palpatine means nothing to her because he means diddly squat to her and it's yet another layer as to why TROS is just plain bad. There's only so much you can blame on TLJ. Better sequels and ends to trilogies have worked with much worse.
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https://www.gq.com/story/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalkers-writer-knew-not-everyone-would-like-it/amp?__twitter_impression=true

The most hilarious thing about TROS is all of this stuff was them thinking they were being inventive.
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Darmik posted...

If Palpatine isn't involved with Rey being a Palpatine what's the fucking point?

The reveal of Luke being Vader's son wasn't a big deal because the Skywalkers are powerful. It complicated the plot because Luke's sworn enemy was his own father and he needs to confront that. It's an actual part of his character development.

Rey being a Palpatine means nothing to her because he means diddly squat to her and it's yet another layer as to why TROS is just plain bad. There's only so much you can blame on TLJ. Better sequels and ends to trilogies have worked with much worse.

It's the Skywalker Saga my dude. Palpatine is very much a very big part of it. Whether he's involved or someone related to him. If she was of the Force or worse, just a random, it would be even more stupid.

Palpatine was a plague on the galaxy. Being related to someone like that is going to fuck with you and it is important. It started fucking with Rey even before she found out.

Again, in your silly attempt to handwave TLJ, you're ignoring the point that one director with 6 years to do a trilogy will do a better job then the shitfest of 3, with one being given even less than the 2 year turnaround to do something. ESPECIALLY with all the bts issues involved. You keep saying there's issues and I keep explaining why.

It's weird how amped some of you get when people are negative about TLJ. The movie was a snooze fest even if the things mentioned didn't happen.

Darmik posted...

https://www.gq.com/story/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalkers-writer-knew-not-everyone-would-like-it/amp?__twitter_impression=true

The most hilarious thing about TROS is all of this stuff was them thinking they were being inventive.

And RJ thought he was subverting expectations.

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Finns actor has been s***** on the film for a while now and most of the cast have made it abundantly clear that they arent returning to this fanchise, ever. Nor do I believe any writers are interested in touching it either.

Hell John Boyega has all but committed career suicide at this point. But that's assuming it wasnt already a corpse post ep9.....


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Megaman50100 posted...

If they didn't tease him in the trailers and set me up to expect some dumbshit involving him, I would have considered walking out of the theater at the beginning of the movie.

Haha, I can only imagine how silly and undermining it would have been yo have zero incling of Palpatines return, only to have it revealed in BIG BOLD LETTERS during the first paragraph of the opening.

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It's bad.

• Retcons Last Jedi, which was a surprisingly bad decision
• Mishandling the bad hand dealt with Fisher's death
• Rose gets screwed out of a bigger role
• Almost every actor came out of this hating Disney
• Basic Star Wars logic is violated
• Horrible pacing

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