Current Events > Which sci-fi movie franchise with 4 or more movies has fucked up the least?

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Medussa posted...

i don't think it meets your criteria. there are only 3 movies, and two of them are a bit of a reboot (along with all the television) of the first one. there have been rumors of sequels for a while, but i don't think they're ever actually getting made.

Stargate: The Ark of Truth and Stargate: Continuum are nowhere near being reboots.
Those movies are end-point movies meant to tie up the final loose ends of the show.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

A novel quote but it really doesn't work in most cases. Especially with Star Wars because they literally use magic lmao

You make some interesting arguments in favor of Star Wars being fantasy, but Id have to disagree with this one. The Force is clearly defined as the result of the symbiotic relationship between organisms called midichlorians and sentient beings, alien or otherwise. Some sentient beings are able to utilize this symbiotic tie to perform mental feats such as telekinesis and telepathy. Neither of these powers are limited solely to magic. The Force becomes this mystical thing within the Star Wars universe because the people capable of explaining it in a scientific manner get wiped out by the Sith.


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008Zulu posted...

Stargate has actually remained very consistent.

Stargate is the most consistent. But it also shouldn't be on the list since I don't think it's fair to compare TV movies with Blockbuster film franchises. Stargate producers didn't have to deal with the same level of internal politics.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

I miss when it was widely accepted that Star Wars wasn't scifi.

As someone who saw the very first Star Wars film in theaters in the 70s, this is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read.

Technically it wasn't the 70s. They reran Star Wars and Empire as back to back double features in 1980. That's when I saw it as a kid.

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Star Wars is definitely more sci-fi than anything. If youre going to acknowledge it as a space opera, thats fine. However, you also need to acknowledge that space opera is a sub genre of sci-fi. Failing to do so is manipulating the definition of the term to fit your own argument which is a big no no.

Star Wars does have elements of fantasy but you have to remember that fantasy and sci-fi overlap in many different ways. Therefore, in order to classify, its better to align with what Star Wars has more in common with which would be sci-fi. You cant make an argument about magic since attempts to explain The Force have been made in canon. You cant make an argument about storytelling since youre leaving the realm of genres and delving into narration and writing itself. Horror, mystery, action, or whatever could impart wisdom upon the reader or tell us something about human nature.


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New debate: is Alien sci-fi or horror?

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ah yes, the endless "how do we label things" debate

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Huh. Evidently I don't watch as many scifi sequels as I thought.

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Darmik posted...

I am legit interested in the people who vote Alien or Predator.

Like I like Aliens and Predator more than any single Star Wars movie. But I can watch Attack of the Clones and The Rise of Skywalker and at least get some enjoyment out of it. But both franchises have more than one movie that are outright unwatchable. In one case they're both in the same incredibly awful piece of garbage. I do not have the heart to watch The Predator.

Alien vs Predator is the best film of either franchise imo.

Resident Evil is my answer anyway, Paul W.S. Anderson is an unappreciated genius.

Using midichlorians as an explanation for the force and saying that's enough to count the magic in Star Wars as science is like saying any fantasy series that uses alchemy to explain shit like transmutations is also science.
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Their explanation for their "science" is either non-existent or based in magic. They use magic kyber crystals to power lightsabers for example. At best it's fantasy with some very soft sci-fi elements. Like how Mass Effect is soft sci-fi with fantasy elements.

Also, calm down lmao
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Did some mother fucker say Aliens is better than Alien?

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Well at least now you're getting it lol those are those darn fantasy elements I'm talking about that soft sci-fi likes to use. Except with Star Wars these fantasy elements are the basis for the whole story/universe/technology.
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BlackSheep715 posted...

Robocop
I: Decent 2
II: Decent 2
III: Bad -1
+3

no score for Robocop remake?
imo it's pretty decent/okay-ish.

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I don't know what to say other than they aren't arbitrary and in a dumb conversation about genres these points are important. I've explained much more than I should have needed to in order to present my thoughts. I've counter argued every point you've tried to make and you haven't even tried to address any of mine lol so just re-read everything I've had to say already a few more times and stew on it I guess.

Also, saying Star Wars isn't sci-fi isn't a criticism or detriment to the series. I should make that clear too.
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AlienLanes posted...

Alien vs Predator is the best film of either franchise imo.

lol wut

Alien, Aliens and Predator are all in another league. AvP is roughly on the same tier as Resurrection or Alien 3 at best. Even Predator 2 and Predators is better.


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Good talk bb.
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Tremors?

1 good
2 better imo
3 ok
4 ok
havent seen the rest.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

Their explanation for their "science" is either non-existent or based in magic. They use magic kyber crystals to power lightsabers for example. At best it's fantasy with some very soft sci-fi elements. Like how Mass Effect is soft sci-fi with fantasy elements.

Also, calm down lmao

Thanks to the ridiculous amount of expanded material that just outright isn't true at all.

Even Kyber crystals have a long ass wiki page explaining them. Nothing about the droids, warp drives, hyperspeed or whatever was built from magic.

If your argument that it doesn't count because it isn't realistic you're ruling about basically every sci-fi movie. The latter word is fiction for a reason.
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Holy moly. Read the wookiepedia for Kyber Crystal and come back saying that shit isn't as fantastical as the Dark Crystal. Has nothing to do with realism.
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Also the Legends or EU stuff that tried to blend hard sci-fi with the fantasy of Kyber Crystals are non-canon at this point and never showed up in the movies or any canon stuff I've seen iirc.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Holy moly. Read the wookiepedia for Kyber Crystal and come back saying that shit isn't as fantastical as the Dark Crystal. Has nothing to do with realism.

It's a mysterious crystal found on a planet that the Jedi use the Force to do stuff with. That's about it.

Regardless you outright said that you weren't talking about the Force anyway. You said everything in Star Wars runs on magic which isn't true. All of the tech is talked about in a sci-fi way. They're not saying that the Millenium Falcon runs off Jawa souls.

You're just making this complicated for no reason. Sci-fi is a story/setting that has futuristic/advanced technology and/or extraterrestrial beings. That basically covers what people are looking for.
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Star Trek.

I don't even like Star Trek as a franchise, but the the Bad Robot films are nice, serviceable fun (with only diehards really hating it) and, from what I can tell, people like the stuff on TV.

Right behind it is Star Wars.
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Alien shouldn't be getting this many votes. Alien is my favorite film but the series has gotten worse with every sequel and that's not an exaggeration. Alien and Aliens are the only good movies. Alien 3 and Resurrection were watchable for the most part. Alien 3 was improved quite a bit with the release of the Assembly Cut. Prometheus and Covenant are so fucking trash.

Alien > Aliens > Alien 3 > Alien:Resurrection > Prometheus > Covenant

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You're essentially saying that any fantasy that has a space backdrop is sci-fi and that not only restricts the fantasy genre but it just isnt true
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Smashingpmkns posted...

You're essentially saying that any fantasy that has a space backdrop is sci-fi and that not only restricts the fantasy genre but it just isnt true

A fantasy (assuming you're talking about something like Lord of the Rings in space) that has a space backdrop is typically a blend of both genres and can be grouped with either one. Perhaps even both at the same time!

I'm not the one restricting anything here.
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Darmik posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

You're essentially saying that any fantasy that has a space backdrop is sci-fi and that not only restricts the fantasy genre but it just isnt true

A fantasy that has a space backdrop is typically a blend of both genres and can be grouped with either one. Perhaps even both at the same time!

I'm not the one restricting anything here.

Well there we go. It's a blend in which Star Wars is rooted in fantasy with sci-fi elements as I have already stated before. That does not make it a sci-fi series. Just as Witcher having scientific elements to explain some aspects of it's fantasy doesn't make it a sci-fi because those elements are still rooted in magic.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Well there we go. It's a blend in which Star Wars is rooted in fantasy with sci-fi elements as I have already stated before. That does not make it a sci-fi series. Just as Witcher having scientific elements to explain some aspects of it's fantasy doesn't make it a sci-fi because those elements are still rooted in magic.

You're not using genres to group those things you're explaining what they are!
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Mistere Man posted...

Tremors?

1 good
2 better imo
3 ok
4 ok
havent seen the rest.

I bailed out once they brought in Jamie Kennedy. The first and second movies are good. The old west prequel is good. The pilot movie for the TV show was alright. The rest of it was just crap.

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Some of these series have some truly atrocious sequels like offensive to the source material.

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BeyondWalls posted...

I bailed out once they brought in Jamie Kennedy. The first and second movies are good. The old west prequel is good. The pilot movie for the TV show was alright. The rest of it was just crap.

I bailed out as soon as I heard the term "ass blaster".

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Smashingpmkns posted...

Well there we go. It's a blend in which Star Wars is rooted in fantasy with sci-fi elements as I have already stated before. That does not make it a sci-fi series.

Conversely, you could just as easily say that its rooted in sci-fi with fantasy elements in the original trilogy that are explained in a scientific manner in the prequel trilogy and forgotten in the sequel trilogy.

You might as well call Star Trek fantasy because they made up the shit they use in warp drives that powers starships.

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If there's 8 other movie series that make more sense to group Star Wars with I'd like to see some suggestions.

It's just so silly. If you're getting so nitty and gritty to make a thing stand on its own you are completely missing the purpose of having genres to begin with.
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inloveanddeath0 posted...

Unfortunately

they must be terrible

i know there are 6 sharknado movies but at least i heard about them

this is the first time i hear they made more starship troopers

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Highlander: there should be only one.

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BeyondWalls posted...

I bailed out once they brought in Jamie Kennedy. The first and second movies are good. The old west prequel is good. The pilot movie for the TV show was alright. The rest of it was just crap.

Yeah like I said I never saw past 4 which was the prequel I believe. I liked three ok for being funny with the ass blasters.

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