Current Events > my prediction is that in the next decade, people will like the last jedi

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its a good film, but i think right now theres a lot of vitriol towards rian johnson from some bitter star wars peeps

give it a decade and i think itll be given some fair and balanced praise which it hasnt got so far

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Same happened with ESB

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For sure

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Parappa09 posted...

its a good film,

no it's not

my prediction is people will finally outgrow star wars and see it for what its always been

Outside the original trilogy, Last Jedi is the best Star Wars movie.
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It's not really a good film, though. Fanboy rage aside plenty of people have highlighted the pacing problems, the B-plots that don't resolve meaningfully, the character inconsistencies, the prequel quality CGI casino scene, the weak central story, etc.

It gets praise for being bluntly political and moody in a series that's historically been a simple good vs evil space adventure, but the basic structure has been torn apart by cinemaphiles for good reason.

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TheOnionKnight posted...

Outside the original trilogy, Last Jedi is the best Star Wars movie.

rogue one

also ep6 is trash

The only thing that will change is the people who hate it wont waist their time complaining about it any more.

RebelElite791 posted...

Same happened with ESB

exactly

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s0nicfan posted...

It gets praise for being bluntly political and moody in a series that's historically been a simple good vs evil space adventure, but the basic structure has been torn apart by cinemaphiles for good reason.

Star Wars has always been political. Also this post is hilarious, "cinemaphiles" the word you're looking for is cinephile and it's been more well received amongst those types than most Star Wars films.

Same happened with the prequels.

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Still waiting on Attack of the Clones to be considered on the same level as ESB.

I would have loved to see how Rian wanted to end the trilogy.

Can he get a novelization of how he would have ended it? It would have been infinitely more interesting than what JJ did.

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After TROS it's already starting to happen tbh

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We've come to a point where there are people who think the prequels aren't bad so anything is possible.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

I would have loved to see how Rian wanted to end the trilogy.

Can he get a novelization of how he would have ended it? It would have been infinitely more interesting than what JJ did.

A summary of Trevorrow's first draft leaked and it sounds like a much better follow up. That's probably the most we'll get.

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it's crazy to me that they have unlimited money and endless teams of writers and they had all the imagination of your average dweeb online in trying to 'finish' the trilogy

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It's my favorite SW movie I think.

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They won't. Star Wars will instead fade away unless Disney repairs the st damage.

Luke vs The First Order and Kylo Ren is the best scene of the trilogy and you all know it.

darkphoenix181 posted...

They won't. Star Wars will instead fade away unless Disney repairs the st damage.

God damn Jurassic Park hasn't faded away and that hasn't had one single good sequel.

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Frankly, I think the entire Disney trilogy deserves to be forgotten
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Darmik posted...

Luke vs The First Order and Kylo Ren is the best scene of the trilogy and you all know it.

God damn Jurassic Park hasn't faded away and that hasn't had one single good sequel.

I hope you are joking. The fight choreography in that scene make its hard to take it seriously at all

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Darmik posted...

Luke vs The First Order and Kylo Ren is the best scene of the trilogy and you all know it.

I think Rian Johnson has excellent cinematography and shot composition. As a director, he's fantastic. But he's on that short list of good directors that should never ever have any say in a script.

And for what it's worth, I think the best single scene is actually the Death Star eclipse attack in Rogue one. It is still in my mind the single most stunning shot in the entire franchise.

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TheOnionKnight posted...

Outside the original trilogy, Last Jedi is the best Star Wars movie.

Also inside it

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s0nicfan posted...

But he's on that short list of good directors that should never ever have any say in a script.

https://deadline.com/2020/01/knives-out-rian-johnson-star-wars-trilogy-oscars-interview-news-1202828933/

Knives Out Director Rian Johnson Earns First Oscar Nomination For Best Original Screenplay

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p-m posted...

Star Wars has always been political. Also this post is hilarious, "cinemaphiles" the word you're looking for is cinephile and it's been more well received amongst those types than most Star Wars films.

Right? Cinephiles are the people most likely to go to bat for it. I think he's thinking of those dumb YouTube hacks who do movie reviews.

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Darmik posted...

https://deadline.com/2020/01/knives-out-rian-johnson-star-wars-trilogy-oscars-interview-news-1202828933/

Knives Out Director Rian Johnson Earns First Oscar Nomination For Best Original Screenplay

And crash won best picture in 2004. Are we pretending that every Oscar nomination is 100% objectively right now?

If Knives Out is really that good, then that's all the more evidence that he didn't even try with the Last Jedi. Again, there are plenty of non-biased analyses as to how poorly written that movie is from a structural standpoint, no matter how hard it makes some people that it pissed off series fans.

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My guy veering into "it's objectively bad!" territory

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s0nicfan posted...

And crash won best picture in 2004. Are we pretending that every Oscar nomination is 100% objectively right now?

If Knives Out is really that good, then that's all the more evidence that he didn't even try with the Last Jedi. Again, there are plenty of non-biased analyses as to how poorly written that movie is from a structural standpoint, no matter how hard it makes some people that it pissed off series fans.

I guess I'm just pointing out that you're saying he's a director that shouldn't write films solely because of a sci-fi sequel you didn't like.

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"Cinephiles hate the most visually interesting Star Wars film ever made!"

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Willy Wonka and The Chocolate Factory didn't get positive feedback when it was first released. It wasn't until the 90's it gained a positive audience.

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s0nicfan posted...

It's not really a good film, though. Fanboy rage aside plenty of people have highlighted the pacing problems, the B-plots that don't resolve meaningfully, the character inconsistencies, the prequel quality CGI casino scene, the weak central story, etc.

I'm just going to repeat the first part of my first post above that got cut out and immediately ignored because it's easier to make it about whether or not somebody liked the movie.

But I will leave it at that. This many years after the movie, it's not like anybody's mind is going to be changed and we'll just have to find out in a couple of decades if people look at the Last Jedi like Empire, or attack of the Clones.

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My prediction is they wont. This whole trilogy was a massive disappointment.

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No one liked Firefly until it was cancelled.

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Reiss posted...

no it's not

Yes it is
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Going by Knives Out Rian Johnson will probably have the most critically acclaimed career of any director and writer in the sequel trilogy.

I think of he gets the opportunity to do a movie with his own characters he'd do a much better job. Can't say the same about Abrams.

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A person saying Rian Johnson should never have a say in writing a script is a person who has no familiarity whatsoever with Johnson's work. He's been nominated/won various awards for his screenplays for 4 of his 5 feature films.

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I doubt it. Probably less since it already gets overhyped.

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Darmik posted...

I think of he gets the opportunity to do a movie with his own characters he'd do a much better job. Can't say the same about Abrams.

I agree with that. I think it would have been a much smarter move to go with the original plan of letting him have a new trilogy set somewhere else in the Galaxy that's completely disconnected from the main movies. Rather than what they ended up going with, which is letting him make the middle movie in a Trilogy and then (possibly) canceling his trilogy after backlash.

For what it's worth, I also don't think Abrams is a particularly good writer. I think he's very good at soft reboots and safe movies that hit all of the major beats that people expect. He's generally good at action cinematography as well. But he's not the person you put in charge of a movie that you want to make waves.

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Time will be kind to The Last Jedi

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Didn't people prove esb wasn't supposedly hated like people like to spout.

Why does tlj need to be seen as a good movie? It had some good moments, but it also had some bad moments.

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I think a lot of the vitriol comes from the general culture going on when it came out. I mean fuck the Anti-SJWs couldn't stop shitting their pants over an Asian woman and a woman in power with purple hair.

It was a great movie, maybe best in the ST (need to watch TFA again) and it attempted something new instead of playing it safe.

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I can see that.

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Yep. It's by far the best in the Sequel Trilogy, and it's the 5th best Star Wars movie overall.

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YourDrunkFather posted...

My prediction is they wont. This whole trilogy was a massive disappointment.

That's also what the star signs are showing me.

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Not a chance.

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I dunno. I know a lot of people who are outright boycotting going to see the new one because of TLJ. I would bet its a good reason why its not doing as well as it should be. It didnt really set anything up to make you want to watch what happens next either.

Im no SW nerd so I wasnt offended at dumb stuff like purple hair chick or Luke. I genuinely thought it was a bad movie and dont really feel a desire to watch the new one until its on Disney+ or redbox. To be fair I also thought TFA was lazy (reusing so many past elements). And I just dont really care for any of the main characters at all.