Current Events > Are satanists actually that bad?

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Looking at anything relating to the Satanic Temple shows that they're pretty chill overall. The principles of Satanism seem to be pretty progressive, focusing on egalitarianism and social justice, and they advocate for separation of church and state despite being considered a religious entity themselves.

Meanwhile, some of the loudest and most controversial criminals in our society are self-righteous fundies who justify yelling racial slurs or otherwise harassing other people due to those people being affected by "Satanic influence". There's that recent video of a woman yelling "motherfucker" at people who she's trying to "help" in the check out at Target, and a while back there was a meth-addled woman who believed her children were being exposed to Satanic influences, so she worked with QAnon conspirators to kidnap them from their father. People who rant and rave about Satanism and Satanic influence are complete and utter lunatics themselves, so far from God's grace that they don't realise how awful their actions are.

Then you have Christianity, which has a habit of sheltering and hiding evidence of pedophilic activity on behalf of their priests. Christian and Catholic churches almost seem to create pedophiles by banning them from procreation, so the sick fucks find a defenseless target to take it out on. If they're lucky, the Pope gives them a paid vacation in the Maldives or Africa, where they either get off scot free or continue to offend.

When was the last time you heard of a Satanic priest molesting children? Probably in the same place those whacked out fundies read about Satanic influence in the US, come to think of it - so basically just nonsensical ranting about the Devil. But you almost never see Satanists in the news, which is funny considering the horror of their actions that have been depicted in TV and film for decades. The last time they were in the news was when they were suing Sabrina the Teenage Witch for using a depiction of Baphomet that was copyrighted by the church.

Satanists don't seem too bad in the 21st century, am I right?

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no, hail satan

No, they aren't bad at all. They are actually pretty reasonable and logical people. The word "satan" just scares some people lol

wouldnt say bad, silly seems more accurate.

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Let us take down Yehovah the "god" who took human form to have a blood sacrifice of himself to appease himself to save humans from a sin that was committed by someone else that wasn't our fault

Laveyan satamism is cool
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Nope. They just do it for fun and it's mostly an anti-religion movement than a deism like Christianity.

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theyre just annoying atheist fedorabeards masquerading as a religion

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No. It seems like many people get them mixed up with devil worshipers. They're not out there sacrificing animals or babies and performing rituals.

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I think theyre just stupid and immature more than anything. It seems to be more like a movement Against belief in Christian God as opposed to actually representing something. Like a lot of the members are atheists or agnostics. Theyre just rebelling against what they see as oppressive organized religion. Mixed in with some anarchy, hedonism, and selfishness. I dont see anything to admire in it, except encouraging people to ask questions and be independent.

Youre just gonna die anyways, so get as much pleasure as you can while you can. Theres nothing inspiring or noble about it. Were all just animals so lets act like animals. It doesnt nourish your soul, its just a philosophy that appeals to brutes, anarchists, perverts, and misfits with daddy issues.

Then there are the ones who actually worship the Devil himself, hope they have a blast in Hell. Lol

One of my nieces has a kid with a satanist. He is a great guy.

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actual satanists that believe satan really exists are rare. most of the time they are athiests and satan is just a symbol they use for rebellion.

If I'm not mistaken The Satanic Temple is a secular religion that just uses Satan as a back drop.


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I hear their choir is pretty good.

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MrMallard posted...
Then you have Christianity, which has a habit of sheltering and hiding evidence of pedophilic activity on behalf of their priests. Christian and Catholic churches almost seem to create pedophiles by banning them from procreation, so the sick fucks find a defenseless target to take it out on. If they're lucky, the Pope gives them a paid vacation in the Maldives or Africa, where they either get off scot free or continue to offend.

TThat's not really how pedophiles work. You don't just all of a sudden decide to molest children just because you can't have kids. Plenty of priests have had families anyway even though it's against church rules. It's also not just limited to to religious organizations, pedophiles exist in all classes and job levels.

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Satanists have had no negative impact on me, which is a better track record than Christians.

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People only think they're bad because of misinformation and being really upset when people vocally rebel against Christianity.

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Yeah, Laveyan satanism isn't "Blood orgy in the woods for the Dark Lord" stuff, it's just Satanism in that it's meant to be the antithesis of Christianity.

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Keith_Valentine posted...

Then there are the ones who actually worship the Devil himself, hope they have a blast in Hell. Lol

What if there actually is an unseen god and it turns out he is like no human religion and the greatest sin is following any of them?

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Gamerguymass posted...

Then you have Christianity, which has a habit of sheltering and hiding evidence of pedophilic activity on behalf of their priests. Christian and Catholic churches almost seem to create pedophiles by banning them from procreation, so the sick fucks find a defenseless target to take it out on. If they're lucky, the Pope gives them a paid vacation in the Maldives or Africa, where they either get off scot free or continue to offend.

TThat's not really how pedophiles work. You don't just all of a sudden decide to molest children just because you can't have kids. Plenty of priests have had families anyway even though it's against church rules. It's also not just limited to to religious organizations, pedophiles exist in all classes and job levels.

Yea he used the word procreation instead of fornication. Having kids as opposed to fucking.

Hardcore Catholicism doesnt even condone the priests fucking or masturbating, which is repressive and stupid and definitely led to some of the sexually degenerate behavior we have seen. In my uninformed, heathen opinion. Theres a lot to admire about the Catholic church, but theres also a lot that is ridiculous and incompatible with modern society. Thats why people are leaving the churches and most of their growth is in 3rd world countries now.

I truly find it hard to believe that the all powerful God is so obsessed with where you put your ding dong. Or that being gay is evil. Thats just stupid. Sure i can see casual sex has its dangers and such, but when people love each other? God is love, he wouldnt be angry about that or send a good person to Hell for it. That shit is manmade imo.

Evening_Dragon posted...

Satanists have had no negative impact on me, which is a better track record than Christians.

It took me a long time to grow out of "all Christians are either stupid or complicit on absolutely terrible things" phase because of the severe damage my fundamentalist upbringing caused. I'm willing to live and let live, and have a lot of respect for Christians who don't shove it down others' throats but actually go out there and live as they claim Christ would have rather than how most would. Like a guy I know who became a teacher in the inner city, and then moved to a red crime area in the city because that's where his kids lived and he wanted to be in their neighborhood because it helped him to help them.

That being said, so many, I would say the majority, of churches and Christian organizations exist to collect tax free dollars and shovel it into political causes or the pockets of a few leaders of the church. While I hold respect for Christians who walk the walk, I'm *extremely* cautious of any organization that asks for handouts on a weekly basis and pays no taxes. Not saying good churches exist, but they gotta show me their books before I'll believe them.

As for Satanists, if they're trying to just be a bunch of edgelords, whatever, at least they're not hurting anyone. If they're trying to prove a point about how organized religion is given carte blanche in this country and abuses the hell out of the privilege, great, more power to them. They could do it a bit more tastefully, but it's a lesson well worth being taught.

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Keith_Valentine posted...

Then there are the ones who actually worship the Devil himself, hope they have a blast in Hell. Lol

see you in hell brother

Yes.

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Edgelords are ridiculous no matter how they try to dress it up.

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hockeybub89 posted...

What if there actually is an unseen god and it turns out he is like no human religion and the greatest sin is following any of them?

I do believe in an 'unseen God' ( ive never met it but i feel it). But I doubt in all his glory he would blame people that were actually seeking Him/Her because they got led astray somehow. The greatest sin would have to have genuine malice in it imo. Like those who try to destroy someone elses belief in God for no reason other than to hurt, for example.

If they felt they were enlightening someone and freeing them, thats one level. Maybe their intentions are 'good'. But attacking someones belief structure that gives them comfort and fills them, while offering nothing in return, is pretty shitty to me. Especially if they arent harming you. That being said, I despise followers of organized religion who use God to create division and look down on people or judge them. The best Christians i have met were humble, secure, and welcoming. Their faith was powerful. They already had the Truth, and the way they carried themselves made you curious about it. Faith is a force for good imo.

Reis posted...

see you in hell brother

You wont see anything in Hell. Its not actually a fiery pit of torture, its just a void for all eternity, all alone. Cut off from God, empty and helpless, like floating through space blind deaf and dumb. And I wont be there, bro.

Keith_Valentine posted...

You wont see anything in Hell. Its not actually a fiery pit of torture, its just a void for all eternity, all alone. Cut off from God, empty and helpless, like floating through space blind deaf and dumb. And I wont be there, bro.

alright bro make sure you bring the paninis, we're gonna have ourselves a good time

Keith_Valentine posted...

You wont see anything in Hell. Its not actually a fiery pit of torture, its just a void for all eternity, all alone. Cut off from God, empty and helpless, like floating through space blind deaf and dumb. And I wont be there, bro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDBoqg1RcfU

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hockeybub89 posted...

What if there actually is an unseen god and it turns out he is like no human religion and the greatest sin is following any of them?

See I think what is likely is either

A. Atheism is correct

Or

B. A religion we dont know of is real

The chances of any human gods existing or at least being 100% what we think they are, is pretty slim

Keith_Valentine posted...

You wont see anything in Hell. Its not actually a fiery pit of torture, its just a void for all eternity, all alone. Cut off from God, empty and helpless, like floating through space blind deaf and dumb. And I wont be there, bro.

You don't know you won't be there. The odds that a god exists are unknown given that they are unable to be sensed. The chance that they exist AND that any human in history has randomly guessed right on them? Astronomical at best.

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Keith_Valentine posted...

You wont see anything in Hell. Its not actually a fiery pit of torture, its just a void for all eternity, all alone. Cut off from God, empty and helpless, like floating through space blind deaf and dumb. And I wont be there, bro.

Unless you're a christian that believes in Annihilationism.

Something Christians and Atheists can agree on atleast about what happens to a lot of people when they die.

Keith_Valentine posted...

Mixed in with some anarchy, hedonism, and selfishness. I dont see anything to admire in it, except encouraging people to ask questions and be independent.

Youre just gonna die anyways, so get as much pleasure as you can while you can. Theres nothing inspiring or noble about it. Were all just animals so lets act like animals. It doesnt nourish your soul, its just a philosophy that appeals to brutes, anarchists, perverts, and misfits with daddy issues.

This sounds like LaVeyan Satanism. The Temple Of Satan does not condone any of what you have just listed. Their seven tenets are...

• One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
• The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
• Ones body is inviolable, subject to ones own will alone.
• The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
• Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
• People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
• Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

LaVeyan Satanism is what you were describing which is more...primal I guess?

hockeybub89 posted...

You don't know you won't be there. The odds that a god exists are unknown given that they are unable to be sensed. The chance that they exist AND that any human in history has randomly guessed right on them? Astronomical at best.

If you cant sense God, seems like a personal problem. I feel it all the time. Are you seeking God, do you even care?

MKScorpion posted...

This sounds like LaVeyan Satanism. The Temple Of Satan does not condone any of what you have just listed. Their seven tenets are...

* One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
* The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
* Ones body is inviolable, subject to ones own will alone.
* The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
* Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
* People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
* Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

LaVeyan Satanism is what you were describing which is more...primal I guess?

Let me go read about the Temple of Satan and get back to you. Yea i was referencing LaVeyan Satanism more, it seemed most prominent in the article.

Bluebomber182 posted...

Laveyan satamism is cool

Was gonna mention them. They are in reality atheists.

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LaVeyan Satanism tells you to destroy people who disrespect you in your lair or something....how about just ask them to leave? Destroy seems a little over the top to me lol

MKScorpion posted...

LaVeyan Satanism tells you to destroy people who disrespect you in your lair or something....how about just ask them to leave? Destroy seems a little over the top to me lol

They get one chance I think. I think you ask them to stop and if they dont, then you destroy them lol

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MKScorpion posted...

LaVeyan Satanism tells you to destroy people who disrespect you in your lair or something....how about just ask them to leave? Destroy seems a little over the top to me lol

Wasnt quite that. I remember something like that but it was in a public place and came with warnings first iirc.

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I'm pretty sure most of them are being ironic.
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MKScorpion posted...

LaVeyan Satanism tells you to destroy people who disrespect you in your lair or something....how about just ask them to leave? Destroy seems a little over the top to me lol

Oh damn it was worse than that. It was "in open territory".

If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them.

Man if LaVeyan Satanism was the law the population here would drop by like 80%.

"Excuse me sir, you're smoking in a non-smoking area when the designated smoking area is 10 feet to your right by all those signs that say "designated smoking area. Would you kindly move?"
"Fuck off"

"Your honor, he bothered me and I asked him to stop. He did not stop so I destroyed him."
"Case dismissed"

I still laugh that stupidity is one of their sins though lol

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Y'all seriously interpreting destroy in the literal sense.

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laveyan santanism is less of a religion than it is a philosophy. i dabbled in it really briefly but if you do even the slightest amount of reading on it you realize the focus of it is your own pleasure and happiness at any expense, including everyone else's. not exactly by violent means but more just being as scummy as you want to get ahead of everyone else. conservative christians would honestly be proud

most other offshoots of satanism, particularly the occultic ones, are as harmful and harmless as any other esoteric order is. they're basically private clubs to funnel money into their founders while its members get to feel smart and important and fuck each other

the scary stuff people think of in terms of satanism rarely involve satanists. people making blood sacrifices or raping people are generally not following any doctrine and are either mentally ill and think they're commanded to do such things or just "edgy" (as lame as it feels to call a murderer that) and trying to add flourish or intrigue to their deeds.

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Evening_Dragon posted...

Y'all seriously interpreting destroy in the literal sense.

I mean it says destroy. And people take the Bible super literally, especially when they want to discredit Christianity.

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MK Scorpion, did a little reading. Temple of Satan seems like a bunch of bullshit tbh.

They have those 7 principles and they sound ok. They are also vague.

One should strive to act with compassion and empathy to all creatures in accordance with Reason? What does that mean? That you decide when and where to show compassion?

Struggle for justice should prevail over laws and institutions? Thats a pretty way to describe anarchy and encourage rebellion and dissent.

Ones body is inviolable? Yea, they run a platform of pro abortion. Ok.

Beliefs should conform to ones best scientific view of the world. Dont distort science to suit your beliefs. Aka were atheists because science. People can believe whatever they want, thats what this country was founded on. This statement seems to imply there is a right way and wrong way to believe.

People are fallible. .... Duh

The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over written and spoken word. Again, pretty way to say fuck authority.

Its just LaVey Satanism with pretty wrapping to appeal to more people and enjoy that tax exempt status and make money. The essence is still centered around being anti Christian. Its hollow and stupid imo.

Just look up the Pink Mass and see them show their true colors. They prayed to Satan over a pastors dead mothers grave, had gay guys kiss over it for the disrespect, and the founder Greaves whipped his balls out and tbagged the dead womans grave with the goal of converting her soul to a lesbian. Theres no nobility or beauty there, these people are pieces of shit. Its just some dumbass political movement trying to get power and money off opposing Christians. Why would you even want to invoke the most historically evil thing in existence if your goals were so pure? I respect secular humanism more.

Lol dude unless you are defending your life or the life or somebody else you should not be "destroying" anybody lol

Temple Of Satan is much better form of Satanism than that Anton LaVey stuff.

monkeysRfunny posted...

I mean it says destroy. And people take the Bible super literally, especially when they want to discredit Christianity.

Does someone else doing something stupid justify you doing something stupid?

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Keith_Valentine posted...

People can believe whatever they want, thats what this country was founded on. This statement seems to imply there is a right way and wrong way to believe.

Doesn't trying to pass laws to prevent homo-sexuals from marrying also imply there is a right or wrong way to believe? Making it illegal for them to marry must mean its wrong.

Keith_Valentine posted...

One should strive to act with compassion and empathy to all creatures in accordance with Reason? What does that mean? That you decide when and where to show compassion?

I would say this more or less means use your common sense. Beating up a homeless guy to death with a bat is something any normal person knows is wrong...but if a robber breaks into my house and tries to attack my wife I think beating him to death with a bat might be ok. Or showing compassion to somebody who is struggling...but I don't need to show compassion for some lunatic who is about to get fried in a chair for raping women.

Keith_Valentine posted...

Just look up the Pink Mass and see them show their true colors. They prayed to Satan over a pastors dead mothers grave, had gay guys kiss over it for the disrespect, and the founder Greaves whipped his balls out and tbagged the dead womans grave with the goal of converting her soul to a lesbian.

I cannot and will not attempt to defend this. Those things are all terrible and honestly makes them just as bad as the people who show up to the funerals of murdered gays with " god hates f*** " signs and stuff like that.

No and they havent been in a long time assuming they ever were

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Evening_Dragon posted...

Does someone else doing something stupid justify you doing something stupid?

Obviously not, but I'm just saying that religions tend to have a sort of literal thing going on when translating their "sacred" texts.

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