Current Events > Did you have a positive or negative opinion of jack kevorkian?

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you know the former michigan assisted suicide doctor. He was jailed for like 5 years or something. Did you generally support his efforts?

From what I remember and was old enough to really understand, support.

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I support his intentions.

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Jagr_68 posted...

I support his intentions.

only for terminally ill patients with no hope of recovery.
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At the time, I was against what he was doing. In retrospect, he was pushing a noble cause albeit in a fairly over the top fashion (plausibly to force a national conversation).

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K181 posted...

At the time, I was against what he was doing. In retrospect, he was pushing a noble cause albeit in a fairly over the top fashion (plausibly to force a national conversation).

K181 posted...

At the time, I was against what he was doing. In retrospect, he was pushing a noble cause albeit in a fairly over the top fashion (plausibly to force a national conversation).

how was it in an over the top fashion?

He the doctor that was killing people?

dont have any opinion on awful people but I guess that leads towards a negative opinion

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why do you say he was an awful person? explain

good intentions or not, we have laws for reasons and somebody in that position can't just make up his own policy just because of personal opinions. doctors doing whatever they want has always been trouble.

I don't think he's a villain, but doctors need to be put in check. I feel the same about judges and many other positions of power, tbh. but with this nation's history with doctors, pharmaceuticals and overall policy... I don't disagree that he should have been disciplined. negative opinion.
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I don't understand why the government feels that can control if a person wants to die. They should have no control over what a person does to his or her body

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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

good intentions or not, we have laws for reasons and somebody in that position can't just make up his own policy just because of personal opinions. doctors doing whatever they want has always been trouble.

I don't think he's a villain, but doctors need to be put in check. I feel the same about judges and many other positions of power, tbh. but with this nation's history with doctors, pharmaceuticals and overall policy... I don't disagree that he should have been disciplined. negative opinion.

I already said I supported the guy but I agree with this too. I will say that assisted suicide should be legalized for the fact that the end result would be no different than a dying terminal patient in possession of a signed DNR form. Our primary goal as a medical provider is to do what we can to make the patient pain-free and that should also include prepping for their death on their own rational terms, which I think is more ethical than just prohibiting it altogether imo.

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Jagr_68 posted...

I already said I supported the guy but I agree with this too. I will say that assisted suicide should be legalized for the fact that the end result would be no different than a dying terminal patient in possession of a signed DNR form. Our primary goal as a medical provider is to do what we can to make the patient pain-free and that should also include prepping for their death on their own rational terms, which I think is more ethical than just prohibiting it altogether imo.

Why can't people decide what they want done to THEMSELVES? If they want ti have someone help them die to prevent pain(and they are going to die anyway), who are you to stop them?

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I'm all for physician-assisted suicide
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Behaviorism posted... Jagr_68 posted...

I already said I supported the guy but I agree with this too. I will say that assisted suicide should be legalized for the fact that the end result would be no different than a dying terminal patient in possession of a signed DNR form. Our primary goal as a medical provider is to do what we can to make the patient pain-free and that should also include prepping for their death on their own rational terms, which I think is more ethical than just prohibiting it altogether imo.

Why can't people decide what they want done to THEMSELVES? If they want ti have someone help them die to prevent pain(and they are going to die anyway), who are you to stop them?

For the ethical reason that not everyone is sane and suicidal individuals tend to pose risks to anyone else around them, not just themselves. Some dude bleeding out from slit wrists may have been rescued one night and then 6 months later, he may feel glad he's alive. Another person may be experiencing delirium or severe psychosis and wants to rid out the demons from his/her body for good. Then there are the "suicide by cop" individuals too. Mental health is very complicated and probably the one thing that's in the way of an assisted suicide law since the healthcare community doesn't give a flying fuck about that ie. "just throw some pills at 'em, and we're good".

Unless you mean mentally competent terminal patients and elderly people with deteriorating health conditions, which they do anyway just not in the presence of doctors or caretakers.

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CwebbMichSac4 posted...

how was it in an over the top fashion?

Extremely confrontational with everybody and daring people left and right to prosecute him.

Not to mention that some of the suicides were done under less than clinical circumstances and with lots of legal ambiguity regarding the soundness of mind of the patients to agree to such a procedure.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

I'm all for physician-assisted suicide

This. My aunt did it 3 years ago in Canada. Stage 4 cancer, had to see 3 different doctors to confirm that it was terminal and also a psychologist to make sure she was in the right state of mind to choose this option. It was a much better situation for her and her family. She was wasting away and was in constant agony,

Assisted suicide for terminal patients should absolutely be allowed. But it should only be allowed for terminally ill patients.

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Assisted suicide is a good thing, morally and practically

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No opinion either way. People can do what they want.

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DocDelicious posted...

No opinion either way. People can do what they want.

so you think all that shit should be completely legal?

Jagr_68 posted...

Behaviorism posted... Jagr_68 posted...

I already said I supported the guy but I agree with this too. I will say that assisted suicide should be legalized for the fact that the end result would be no different than a dying terminal patient in possession of a signed DNR form. Our primary goal as a medical provider is to do what we can to make the patient pain-free and that should also include prepping for their death on their own rational terms, which I think is more ethical than just prohibiting it altogether imo.

Why can't people decide what they want done to THEMSELVES? If they want ti have someone help them die to prevent pain(and they are going to die anyway), who are you to stop them?

For the ethical reason that not everyone is sane and suicidal individuals tend to pose risks to anyone else around them, not just themselves. Some dude bleeding out from slit wrists may have been rescued one night and then 6 months later, he may feel glad he's alive. Another person may be experiencing delirium or severe psychosis and wants to rid out the demons from his/her body for good. Then there are the "suicide by cop" individuals too. Mental health is very complicated and probably the one thing that's in the way of an assisted suicide law since the healthcare community doesn't give a flying fuck about that ie. "just throw some pills at 'em, and we're good".

Unless you mean mentally competent terminal patients and elderly people with deteriorating health conditions, which they do anyway just not in the presence of doctors or caretakers.

this is what critical thinking looks like. no oversimplifications, there's acknowledgement of context, and there are scenarios based on reality.
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DocDelicious posted...

No opinion either way. People can do what they want.

No opinion either way would be that people can do what they want or nothing that they want. Sounds like you just don't mind whether or not people choose to do it.

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Watched my dad writhe in pain for a year with his mind failing the entire time. Couldnt stand or eat or anything. No one should have to suffer such torment.

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He's going to be treated by history in a very positive light at the end of it.

Man has shown mercy to the animal kingdom when it comes to ending suffering of a creature dying in agony. It's about time we do the same for our fellow man or woman. I'm for assisted suicide for mentally competent and exhausted all treatment terminally ill patients.

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Yes

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