Current Events > I support capital punishment despite being a Liberal

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I think all 50 states should have it TBH

Why
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Antifar posted...

Why

Because America is full of all kinds of fucked up people who commit murder for fun. I think that the sentence gives a bit of closure to the family.

Despite what people think, it's probably terrifying for the murderer when he's strapped down in the chamber waiting for the lethal injection.

cool

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Sounds pretty liberal to me actually

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I support the government killing no convict for any reason

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cmiller4642 posted...

Because America is full of all kinds of fucked up people who commit murder for fun. I think that the sentence gives a bit of closure to the family.

Despite what people think, it's probably terrifying for the murderer when he's strapped down in the chamber waiting for the lethal injection.

Imagine being wrongly accused, put to death, and then years later, people discover you were innocent.

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hockeybub89 posted...

I support the government killing no convict for any reason

They're just a fucking drain on society

Gary Ridgeway is serving a life sentence. He murdered 49 people.

I'd support it if it were cheaper. As it is, there's no point.

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lot of innocent people dying for no reason

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shockthemonkey posted...

Is your entire reason the family of the dead person will enjoy it?

Society as well. The Green River Killer is the one that I'm always going to go back to. He murdered 49 people, so why should he serve out a life sentence? Give him the fucking chair.

cmiller4642 posted...

I think that the sentence gives a bit of closure to the family.

Did you ask them?

cmiller4642 posted...

They're just a fucking drain on society

Gary Ridgeway is serving a life sentence. He murdered 49 people.

It's more expensive to kill people than it is to let them live out their days in prison.

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Hope you know there are many innocent falsely accused who sit on death row or spend countless years in jail. We shouldn't be killing the innocent, but we are. There are many cases where the innocent is smeared as guilty. Especially for black men.

The death penalty should be reserved for worst crimes. Treason, rape, terrorism, etc. But there also should have to be undisputable evidence, i.e. video footage or other evidence of similar caliber.

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Also how many fucking people have been executed in America that are 100% innocent? Sure they'll claim it to the grave, but really what's the percentage of innocent vs guilty?

John Wayne Gacy claimed he was innocent until the day he died.

CyricZ posted...

It's more expensive to kill people than it is to let them live out their days in prison.

depends on methodology innit

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cmiller4642 posted...

Also how many fucking people have been executed in America that are 100% innocent?

"They probably did something else to deserve it anyway!"

The Trent posted...

depends on methodology innit

Keep going.

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we killed this guy

https://www.innocenceproject.org/ledell-lee-files-civil-rights-lawsuit-seeking-stay-execution-prove-innocence-dna-testing/

Mr. Lee was tried by a judge who concealed that he was having an affair with the assistant prosecutor on the case, whom he later married. Mr. Lees first state post-conviction counsel introduced the evidence of the affair by calling the judges ex-wife, who testified about the affair after opposing the subpoena. Mr. Lees lawyer, however, was so intoxicated at the hearing that the prosecution asked for him to be drug tested after he slurred, stumbled, and made incoherent arguments.

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cmiller4642 posted...

Also how many fucking people have been executed in America that are 100% innocent? Sure they'll claim it to the grave, but really what's the percentage of innocent vs guilty?

https://time.com/79572/more-innocent-people-on-death-row-than-estimated-study/

The United States may be putting more innocent people to death than previously thought. According to a sweeping new statistical analysis made public today, the rate of wrongful death sentences in the U.S. is probably much higher than experts have estimated.

Authors of the study say that their conservative estimate of the proportion of erroneous convictions is 4.1 percent, or approximately twice the number actually exonerated and set free from death row. This could mean that approximately 120 of the roughly 3,000 inmates on death row in America might not be guilty, while additional scores of wrongfully convicted inmates are serving life in prison after their death sentences were reduced over technical legal errors.

False convictions are extremely difficult to detect after the fact, law professors Samuel R. Gross of the University of Michigan and Barbara OBrien of Michigan State write in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, a prestigious peer-reviewed journal. As a result, the great majority of innocent defendants remain undetected. The rate of such errors is often described as a dark figure.

If the death penalty was a person, its innocent death toll would have you calling for its immediate execution.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Your entire reasoning is I want blood, here are some extreme examples of people who deserve to die.

And you cant see how this is a fucked up way to decide laws?

Not arguing his whole point, but an extreme example is just as valid as any.

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This is one of my favorite recent examinations on the subject. Apologies for the length.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lTczPEG8iI

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CyricZ posted...

Keep going.

but you're not going to like it =(

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I support capital punishment as well. Let's start with these politicians that never bust a grape sending our children to fight pointless wars to line the pockets of the .1%

Killing people already incarcerated isn't important enough to allow us to sometimes kill innocent people.

If the law applies to everyone, then that includes the very worst of us. "Due process except sometimes" is not a viable, or consistent viewpoint.

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

Sounds pretty liberal to me actually

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I find it hard to believe anyone is a liberal when they essentially say "I'm liberal but ..."

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Well i'm a conservative and I think it's dumb and pointless

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So do I. I do believe unrepentant murderers should be put to death. Someone like Anders Breivik is why I support the death penalty for the worst of the worst. He would kill again if ever released as he believed it was the right thing to do.

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Tmaster148 posted...

I find it hard to believe anyone is a liberal when they essentially say "I'm liberal but ..."

subscribe to everything or you're an "other" probably isn't a good way to do business

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Rika_Furude posted...

The death penalty should be reserved for worst crimes. Treason, rape, terrorism

definitely on all. but the rape one is iffy if they killed/seriously injured while doing that then yes i can agree with it.
otherwise should be locked away so he/she couldn't harm another individual.
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FursonaNonGrata posted...

Sounds pretty liberal to me actually

Yep. "Its ok for the state to murder people as long as its the right people" is a peak liberalism.

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Capital punishment is barbaric.
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i think the death penalty should only exist for financial crimes (grand theft is not financial crime) and treason

'tough on crime' types are always harping about how the death penalty serves as a preventative, but the people making the most calculated risks about their crimes are politicians like donald trump and executives like elizabeth holmes or dennis muilenburg

execute a couple of them and the others will actually think twice

for the rest, there's little net benefit and the cons are well established above

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I thought tankies were the ones that thought it was okay to kill the right people

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Now, this is more of a personal theory than anything I have numbers or research to back up, but I think the presence of capital punishment creates an atmosphere of callousness towards the lives of criminals (and perceived criminals) that permeates our justice system.

If you have death as a legal outcome for certain crimes, it becomes easier to excuse or justify death as an outcome for other inmates behind bars, or for people who haven't yet faced trial interacting with the police.
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Balrog0 posted...

tankies

I don't know what that is.

The Trent posted...

but you're not going to like it =(

I wasn't expecting to, but I'm a big boy.

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I'm against it only becasue sometimes mistakes are made and it's not a mistake that can be undone. However, strictly morally speaking, there are sometimes situations where executing someone would be the right thing to do.

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Antifar posted...

Now, this is more of a personal theory than anything I have numbers or research to back up, but I think the presence of capital punishment creates an atmosphere of callousness towards the lives of criminals (and perceived criminals) that permeates our justice system.

If you have death as a legal outcome for certain crimes, it becomes easier to excuse or justify death as an outcome for other inmates behind bars, or for people who haven't yet faced trial interacting with the police.

I would believe it. But I'm also kind of inclined to believe that the reason we have the death penalty is more likely to be caused by the same thing that makes us not care about inmates, rather than one being the cause of the other.

Because the thing that always sticks out to me as the reason the US struggles with these issues is that we both make more activities criminal offenses than other places, and then we incarcerate people for longer for similar offenses. I don't think you can reduce that to anything about the death penalty, but the sentiments that lead to that political outcome probably are the same sentiments that lead people to support the death penalty

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Yep. "Its ok for the state to murder people as long as its the right people" is a peak liberalism.

Murder = unlawful killing
Therefore, capital punishment =/= murder

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I dont support it simply because people are wrongfully convicted. So people say "well, only if we're sure.."
How sure? Where do you draw the line?

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I do too but only in a perfect world in which no innocents suffer it. Which isn't the case, so I'm pretty iffy on it as it is

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kingdrake2 posted...

definitely on all. but the rape one is iffy if they killed/seriously injured while doing that then yes i can agree with it.
otherwise should be locked away so he/she couldn't harm another individual.

Fair enough

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Smackems posted...

I do too but only in a perfect world in which no innocents suffer it. Which isn't the case, so I'm pretty iffy on it as it is

wouldnt that also be a world where you dont need a death penalty because its perfect though?

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