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xp1337
01/31/20 7:19:55 PM
#452:


Senate is back.

Schumer straight up asked Roberts if he was aware of the fact that the Chief Justice broke ties in the Johnson trial and Roberts said he was and went on to state that he doesn't consider those "isolated cases, 150 years ago" to give him that power here.

Also before that McConnell's schedule was read out and it looks like the differences from what I had in my other post is that closing arguments are now 4 hours not 6 (and they start at 11 AM when I think all other days have started at 1 PM but whatever) and they are adjourned from Monday whenever they're done with those arguments until Wednesday at 4 PM where they will immediately hold the final vote so I guess no deliberation period.

unless this is all theater and one of schumer's amendments adds that in but i highly doubt it

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red sox 777
01/31/20 7:27:57 PM
#453:


I'm seeing a report on Yahoo News that the DNC is considering letting superdelegates vote on the first ballot to stop Bernie.

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LordoftheMorons
01/31/20 7:31:59 PM
#454:


red sox 777 posted...
I'm seeing a report on Yahoo News that the DNC is considering letting superdelegates vote on the first ballot to stop Bernie.
A few DNC members brought it up and it's certainly not going to actually happen

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red sox 777
01/31/20 7:37:20 PM
#455:


LordoftheMorons posted...
A few DNC members brought it up and it's certainly not going to actually happen

If it's not going to happen why are they talking about it? Bernie is surging in the polls, they are taking precautions.

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xp1337
01/31/20 7:55:18 PM
#456:


Democratic Amendments are over:

  1. Motion to subpoena a list of people (4, I think, Bolton not included) and documents: Defeated 47-53
  2. Motion to subpoena Bolton: Defeated 49-51
  3. Motion to subpoena Bolton adding that he be deposed and have a hearing all by Wednesday. Defeated 49-51
  4. Motion to have Roberts rule on all motions to subpoena witnesses/documents and to rule on invocations of privilege. Defeated 47-53


They're currently voting on the resolution that sets the aforementioned schedule (and also closes the record and forbids any attempt to re-open it.) I assume it'll pass 53-47 and that'll be it for the week.

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Nelson_Mandela
01/31/20 8:00:15 PM
#457:


xp1337 posted...
Motion to have Roberts rule on all motions to subpoena witnesses/documents and to rule on invocations of privilege. Defeated 47-53
They voted to cede all senatorial power to Roberts? Lmao the GOP should have said yes.

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LordoftheMorons
01/31/20 8:02:12 PM
#458:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
They voted to cede all senatorial power to Roberts? Lmao the GOP should have said yes.
Can't take even a small risk given that they all know they're wrong on the merits

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red sox 777
01/31/20 8:05:09 PM
#459:


No reason to take any risk.

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xp1337
01/31/20 8:06:53 PM
#460:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
They voted to cede all senatorial power to Roberts? Lmao the GOP should have said yes.
Why? They just voted them all down. Giving Roberts the power to determine the probative value of subpoenas just cracks the door open to him saying, "Yeah, Bolton is relevant."

Like I think they could still then overrule him but my layman understanding of the motion would be that Roberts would have the first say and the amendment specified he's ruling on the relevance/probative value of the motions as opposed to the current situation where the Senators have the first and only word (since Roberts just said he isn't breaking ties).

Roberts's own rational for "I can't rule on tiebreakers!" is that he has no business ruling in the Senate, but adopting that amendment would be the Senators literally empowering him so it would kill that logic and force him to either rule that obviously these witnesses and documents are relevant to the Articles or dig even deeper into aiding the cover-up by somehow saying they aren't.

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red sox 777
01/31/20 8:10:06 PM
#461:


Even if it was Thomas, it'd still be riskier than having the Senate decide.

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LordoftheMorons
01/31/20 9:02:04 PM
#462:


Manchin is still undecided:

https://twitter.com/julietsirkin/status/1223416687237697536?s=21

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ChaosTonyV4
01/31/20 10:05:05 PM
#463:


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/us/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders.html?0p19G=3248

Hillary Clinton said on Friday in a podcast interview that Senator Bernie Sanders and his supporters did not do enough to unify the Democratic Party after the prolonged 2016 primary, calling the behavior of his supporters distressing and saying it affected the general election.
All the way up until the end, a lot of people highly identified with his campaign were urging people to vote third party, urging people not to vote, Mrs. Clinton said in an interview with Emily Tisch Sussman for her podcast Your Primary Playlist. It had an impact.

lmao what is wrong with her

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Reg
01/31/20 10:06:41 PM
#464:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/us/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders.html?0p19G=3248

lmao what is wrong with her
This post is lotm-posts-random-right-wing-twitter-shit levels of "who cares"
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Mr Lasastryke
01/31/20 10:11:44 PM
#465:


i care. probably about as much as the impeachment procedure we've spent thousands of posts discussing by now.

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Jakyl25
01/31/20 10:22:57 PM
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kevwaffles
01/31/20 10:30:50 PM
#467:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
i care. probably about as much as the impeachment procedure we've spent thousands of posts discussing by now.

I'll briefly come out of my unplanned hiatus of posting in these topics to assure hardcore Bernie supporters that no one besides hardcore Bernie supporters gives a shit about what Hillary has to say about Bernie, or anything else for that matter, in 2020.
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ChaosTonyV4
01/31/20 10:36:46 PM
#468:


kevwaffles posted...
I'll briefly come out of my unplanned hiatus of posting in these topics to assure hardcore Bernie supporters that no one besides hardcore Bernie supporters gives a shit about what Hillary has to say about Bernie, or anything else for that matter, in 2020.

Well I got the link from a Conservative FB group that was chuckling about it, so

But for real, the fact that the last Dem nominee cant stop talking about the guy nearly tied for front-runner status is far more interesting than the 100th update on what way a random Republican is gonna vote for a process with a predetermined outcome tbh

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kevwaffles
01/31/20 10:50:00 PM
#469:


More interesting, quite possibly.

More relevant aside from shit-posting purposes, I don't think so.

I'm not saying you're wrong for posting it. I'm just saying I wouldn't care very much. You should be laughing at her more than being concerned about her.

(And maybe you and Lasa are laughing about it more than I'm interpreting.)
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StealThisSheen
01/31/20 10:55:53 PM
#470:


Guys, guys

All of your politics are equally not worth caring about

No need to fight

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TheRock1525
01/31/20 11:07:40 PM
#471:


StealThisSheen posted...
Guys, guys

All of your politics are equally not worth caring about

No need to fight
I've determined I really like Bernie Sanders and really don't like his biggest fans.

They're like Trump cultists if they supported policies I agree with. They need to jump on every perceived slight as "SEE THEY'RE ALL OUT TO GET US" instead of just, I dunno, supporting their candidate. 90% of what they want to talk about is what others think of Bernie instead of about Bernie himself.

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ChaosTonyV4
01/31/20 11:08:44 PM
#472:


kevwaffles posted...
More interesting, quite possibly.

More relevant aside from shit-posting purposes, I don't think so.

I'm not saying you're wrong for posting it. I'm just saying I wouldn't care very much. You should be laughing at her more than being concerned about her.

(And maybe you and Lasa are laughing about it more than I'm interpreting.)

Accurate, thats why I lmaod it, haha

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red sox 777
01/31/20 11:26:41 PM
#473:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/us/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders.html?0p19G=3248

lmao what is wrong with her

She's jealous. If she can't beat Trump she doesn't want anyone else to.

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kevwaffles
01/31/20 11:47:48 PM
#474:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
kevwaffles posted...
More interesting, quite possibly.

More relevant aside from shit-posting purposes, I don't think so.

I'm not saying you're wrong for posting it. I'm just saying I wouldn't care very much. You should be laughing at her more than being concerned about her.

(And maybe you and Lasa are laughing about it more than I'm interpreting.)

Accurate, thats why I lmaod it, haha

I suppose you did, lol
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StealThisSheen
02/01/20 12:00:55 AM
#475:


Now watch this drive.

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LunaticCritic
02/01/20 2:32:58 AM
#476:


StealThisSheen posted...
Guys, guys

All of your politics are equally not worth caring about

No need to fight
But I thought politics was all about fighting?

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LordoftheMorons
02/01/20 2:51:05 AM
#477:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/mschlapp/status/1223379382003294208?s=21

I cant stop smiling at this
I, for one, can't imagine a more terrifying punishment than not being able to share a stage with luminaries like Devin Nunes or Diamond and Silk

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LordoftheMorons
02/01/20 2:54:39 AM
#478:


lmao look at CPAC's lineup: http://cpac.conservative.org/speakers/

they literally have Brazillian aspiring dictator Jair Bolsonaro's son

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xp1337
02/01/20 5:59:46 AM
#479:


NOT INVITED: Cloud Strife

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Paratroopa1
02/01/20 6:00:43 AM
#480:


At least Romney can go hang out with Geno and Waluigi
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Mr Lasastryke
02/01/20 6:20:10 AM
#481:


kevwaffles posted...
I'm not saying you're wrong for posting it. I'm just saying I wouldn't care very much. You should be laughing at her more than being concerned about her.

(And maybe you and Lasa are laughing about it more than I'm interpreting.)

apparently tony had a different reaction to this but i don't think it's funny at all. i think it's awful that hillary is insulting bernie supporters. it's like her "basket of deplorables" comment, and she didn't even add an "i'm being grossly generalistic" caveat this time!

of course we all already know she's fucking terrible, so it's not shocking news or anything. it's fine to briefly discuss it, though.

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LordoftheMorons
02/01/20 6:23:19 AM
#482:


"Basket of deplorables" gets proven more right every day tbqh

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xp1337
02/01/20 7:22:24 AM
#483:


what if she is playing 29d chess and knowing many don't like her that her needling sanders is actually a net positive by energizing those people while no one else really cares

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GuessMyUserName
02/01/20 8:48:49 AM
#484:


lmao complaining about "basket of deplorables" in 2020, Hillary sucks ass and she's been on a nonstop run of saying annoying shit since the election, but that statement's been proven incredibly generous

relevant today: https://twitter.com/donttrythis/status/1223378699803717632

aww yeah adam savage

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xp1337
02/01/20 9:10:20 AM
#485:


you could say that response was... *puts on sunglasses* ...savage

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAH

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Samurai7
02/01/20 9:40:56 AM
#486:


TheRock1525 posted...
I've determined I really like Bernie Sanders and really don't like his biggest fans.

They're like Trump cultists if they supported policies I agree with. They need to jump on every perceived slight as "SEE THEY'RE ALL OUT TO GET US" instead of just, I dunno, supporting their candidate. 90% of what they want to talk about is what others think of Bernie instead of about Bernie himself.

I don't think 'they're out to get us', but I do think it's so weird the establishment blames Bernie for not unifying the party, which in turn makes it harder to unify the party? Like if her concern was really getting the left to all come together on something that comment is the exact opposite tone she should be taking. Which I feel like a lot of centrist democrats do.

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Mr Lasastryke
02/01/20 9:45:46 AM
#487:


i seriously don't get what therock was on when he made that post. was either tony or i making tin foil hat "WAHHH THEY'RE OUT TO GET US" posts? all we did was point out how hillary was being terrible, as usual.

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DoomTheGyarados
02/01/20 9:45:55 AM
#488:


Sanders for president, bernie's subreddit, is incredibly non toxic.

But if you pay attention... they really are out to get Bernie lol. Which makes sense given where the money comes from. That is ok though. We welcome their hatred.

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TheRock1525
02/01/20 10:45:38 AM
#489:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
they really are out to get Bernie


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HeroDelTiempo17
02/01/20 11:36:37 AM
#490:


I mean it's pretty obvious Bernie has a lot of haters in the media and political establishment. I don't put much stock into some of the conspiracies like the DNC thing but "they're out to get Bernie" isn't exactly inaccurate

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SmartMuffin
02/01/20 11:43:25 AM
#491:


Zerohedge has been banned from Twitter for questioning the Chinese government's narrative re: coronavirus.

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MoogleKupo141
02/01/20 11:53:13 AM
#492:


I have a suspicion that questioning the Chinese governments narrative is not a totally accurate description of what zerohedge got banned for
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Mr Lasastryke
02/01/20 11:55:28 AM
#493:


you don't trust muffin's completely objective account of a news story?!?

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SmartMuffin
02/01/20 12:09:05 PM
#494:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
I have a suspicion that questioning the Chinese governments narrative is not a totally accurate description of what zerohedge got banned for

It's a perfectly accurate one sentence summary.

If you want more details, you can read a lot more:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/zerohedge-suspended-twitter

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MoogleKupo141
02/01/20 12:10:04 PM
#495:


it looks like the questioning of chinas narrative took the form of publicly accusing a specific man of being responsible for the outbreak based on circumstantial evidence and suggesting readers should harass him

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic

anyway, twitter says zerohedge was banned for platform manipulation

https://twitter.com/broderick/status/1223401067637067776?s=21
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SmartMuffin
02/01/20 12:11:16 PM
#496:


"platform manipulation" is literally corporate speak for "spreading unapproved opinions"

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Jakyl25
02/01/20 12:11:39 PM
#497:


Looks like targeted harassment to me
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SmartMuffin
02/01/20 12:12:24 PM
#498:


Jakyl25 posted...
Looks like targeted harassment to me

In the same sense as saying "George Bush started an unjust war, email the white house and tell them you disapprove" is "targeted harassment" yeah, I guess?

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MoogleKupo141
02/01/20 12:15:57 PM
#499:


SmartMuffin posted...
"platform manipulation" is literally corporate speak for "spreading unapproved opinions"


isnt unapproved opinions his whole deal

why would this be the unapproved opinion that broke the camels back

also from the link you posted:

Are we then to understand that we have now reached a point the mere gathering of information, which our colleagues in the media may want to eventually do as thousands of people are afflicted daily by the Coronavirus, is now synonymous with "abuse and harassment"? According to Twitter, and certainly our competitors in the media, the answer is yes

this is so incredibly disingenuous. He didnt just gather information, he explicitly told people to pay him a visit and call him.
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Jakyl25
02/01/20 12:17:24 PM
#500:


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