Current Events > I never knew that the southern confederates were democrats in the civil war

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_South

its weird how things can completely change over the years

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politics change pretty much every generation

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Yup. The Democrats were the conservative party for a long time until some democrats started to support the civil rights movement, and so the racists all abandoned them.

The Republicans decided to take hold of the racist southern vote, and became the conservative party we all know today.
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Republicans and Democrats basically flipped idealogies in the 60s.

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ThyCorndog posted...

politics change pretty much every generation

This says it was for nearly 100 years

By 1876, "Redeemer" Democrats had taken control of all state governments in the South. From then until the 1960s, state and local government in the South was almost entirely monopolized by Democrats. The Democrats elected all but a handful of U.S. Representatives and Senators, and Democratic presidential candidates regularly swept the region

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Solar_Crimson posted...

Republicans and Democrats basically flipped idealogies in the 60s.

the change took like 60-70 years, it didnt change overnight just because Strom Thurmond changed parties.

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solosnake posted...

This says it was for nearly 100 years

By 1876, "Redeemer" Democrats had taken control of all state governments in the South. From then until the 1960s, state and local government in the South was almost entirely monopolized by Democrats. The Democrats elected all but a handful of U.S. Representatives and Senators, and Democratic presidential candidates regularly swept the region

Ye but the change is pretty gradual. With each new election cycle there are different ideaologies at play, and eventually a party is no longer recognizable to where it was 100 years prior. It's like evolution

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Very good, interesting points. I think they have to do with the urban/rural split and the rise of suburbanization (among other things).

MrNintendo1213 posted...

Yup. The Democrats were the conservative party for a long time until some democrats started to support the civil rights movement, and so the racists all abandoned them.

The Republicans decided to take hold of the racist southern vote, and became the conservative party we all know today.

republicans gained the south about a hundred years after the civil war. lmao

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MrNintendo1213 posted...

Yup. The Democrats were the conservative party for a long time until some democrats started to support the civil rights movement, and so the racists all abandoned them.

No, they were conservative until the New Deal.

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Yep. I'm constantly reminded by someone on this site or Facebook that the confederates were Democrats. Those same people happen to be modern day Republicans that also like their flag and tell black people to get over slavery and jim crow.

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Garioshi posted...

No, they were conservative until the New Deal.

that's not true either. they were conservative until wwi, before the new deal, when democrats entered a conflict the founders expressly prohibited.

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It's a bit hazier than just a swap of ideologies. Even at the time when Democrats had a lock on the Southern segregationist vote, they also had the support of farmers, industrial workers and later on unions in northern states.
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Wewillrocku posted...

that's not true either. they were conservative until wwi, before the new deal, when democrats entered a conflict the founders expressly prohibited.

do you honestly think woodrow fucking wilson was liberal

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And people complain about Black History month. You need an extra strength chainsaw to cut through the ignorance about racial history in this country.

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Garioshi posted...

do you honestly think woodrow fucking wilson was liberal

that's what i just said. wilson was a democrat and we can trace some of the qualities democrat presidents had to a time before franklin d.

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FWIW "Southern Democrats" were generally their own distinct thing
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Garioshi posted...

do you honestly think woodrow fucking wilson was liberal

One of the most racist presidents ever. Kept Jews and blacks out of Princeton and threw a party to screen Birth of a Nation. He also brought Jim Crow segregation to the civil service when it was absent before him, not that there wasn't racism in government before him of course.

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brestugo posted...

And people complain about Black History month. You need an extra strength chainsaw to cut through the ignorance about racial history in this country.

Most people who choose to stay ignorant don't even learn anything new in Black History Month anyway, lol.

A whole month of complaining about the SAME three Black names they've complained about since their first complaint about Black History month.

People are resistant to the American education they are obviously in need of, but claim to be all about respecting history.
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HellRatUFO posted...

* The Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed with a Republican majority vote.
* Very few politicians from either the Democratic or Republican Party actually changed to the opposite party.
* To illustrate, Robert Byrd filibustered against the Civil Rights Act. He did not change his political party affiliation to Republican. Oh yeah, and he was in the fucking KKK.

Is every political point you make reducible to (or from?) a bumpersticker talking point?

153/244 House Dems voted for the 1964 CRA and 136/171 of House Republicans did so. In the Senate, 46/67 Democrats voted 'aye' and 27/33 Senate Republicans did. The variables that were most decisive in predicting voting behavior were being conservative and Southern.

The second point is too silly to address. Reagan and Strom Thurmond (see below) were notable switches.

Robert Byrd didn't change parties because he completely renounced the KKK and opposition to Civil Rights, unlike Strom Thurmond who switched parties, and secretly paid support to his half-black lovechild daughter while opposing civil rights and later supporting apartheid.

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Specifically, they were Southern Democrats. Yes, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed with a Republican majority vote, but Barry Goldwater was the Republican party's nominee for president in 1964 and he was staunchly against the Civil Rights Act. He was defeated by LBJ, who went on to sign the act into law.

And there's the whole matter of the southern strategy Republicans successfully used to convince racist voters in the south to switch from the Southern Democrats to the Republican party.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

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Here's a bit more about that 1964 CRA vote.





This is the telling one:



All the math and methodology shit is here:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/28/republicans-party-of-civil-rights


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Wewillrocku posted...

MrNintendo1213 posted...

Yup. The Democrats were the conservative party for a long time until some democrats started to support the civil rights movement, and so the racists all abandoned them.

The Republicans decided to take hold of the racist southern vote, and became the conservative party we all know today.

republicans gained the south about a hundred years after the civil war. lmao

I'm not sure if you're suggesting the civil rights movement was during the civil war or what.
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Antifar posted...

It's a bit hazier than just a swap of ideologies. Even at the time when Democrats had a lock on the Southern segregationist vote, they also had the support of farmers, industrial workers and later on unions in northern states.

Nixon's "southern strategy" was more opportunism than anything else.

Which is why its so weird to see republicans bitching about dems taking down civil war statues, apparently they were the ones to put them up why can't they decide to take them back down?

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This is why I always laugh when someone goes Abraham Lincoln was a Republican! with zero awareness of history whatsoever.

"republicans ended slavery in the US" is a factual statement

Kaiganeer posted...

"republicans ended slavery in the US" is a factual statement

but any nuance past that somehow isn't

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They say that Thomas Jefferson was a Democratic-Republican, which is impossible because you can only be either a Democrat or a Republican, not both. Checkmate liberals. #RepublicansFreedTheSlavesSoYouOweThemYourVotes

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brestugo posted...

Here's a bit more about that 1964 CRA vote.





This is the telling one:



All the math and methodology shit is here:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/28/republicans-party-of-civil-rights

I'm glad this was posted. Saving it for future use.

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