Current Events > Bernie Sanders has no friends in politics

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Democrats hate him
Republicans hate him
Moderates hate him
Progressives sorta hate him
Media hates him
Even Talks show hosts hate him

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but the people love him

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the people kinda don't really matter,tho. especially when everyone with power is gonna be backing Trump

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Good. Means I'll like him!

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Good

People like Pelosi, Bloomberg, and Biden are scumbags

STEROLIZER posted...

Good. Means I'll like him!

cmiller4642 posted...

Good

People like Pelosi, Bloomberg, and Biden are scumbags

That's not good, it means if y some miracle he wins he'll be ruling on executive orders alone because no way are the senate and congress gonna work with him and of course there's also the big possibility that the states give his executive orders the finger too

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tremain07 posted...

That's not good, it means if y some miracle he wins he'll be ruling on executive orders alone because no way are the senate and congress gonna work with him and of course there's also the big possibility that the states give his executive orders the finger too

We need to get rid of the other fake progressive boomers and replace them with more AOC types

Fuck the Democratic leadership that Obama and Clinton bowed down to

didn't ppl hate trump too?

now they kiss his feet

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Supernatural posted...

didn't ppl hate trump too?

now they kiss his feet

Exactly, Democratic Senators would face heavy pushback in the primaries if they didn't go along with Sanders because other candidates would run that are pro Sanders

I see youre still doing that fear monger thing tremain

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Neither did Trump until he won the presidency.
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FL81 posted...

Neither did Trump until he won the presidency.

Yeah now Rand Paul literally kisses his ass because he's so afraid of losing his Kentucky Senate seat to a pro Trump Republican.

And he called Rand Paul ugly on stage on national television.

cmiller4642 posted...

We need to get rid of the other fake progressive boomers and replace them with more AOC types

Fuck the Democratic leadership that Obama and Clinton bowed down to

AOC? Lol

tremain07 posted...

Democrats hate him
Republicans hate him
Moderates hate him
Progressives sorta hate him
Media hates him
Even Talks show hosts hate him

thats when you know you're doing something right
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HellRatUFO posted...

I honestly think the media and people are severely underplaying Bernie Sanders and his chances of winning if he gets the nomination. It was impossible for Donald Trump to win last election cycle without the support of Bernie Sanders primary voters. People need to stop underselling the cross over economic populist appeal that Bernie and Trump have.

If Bloomberg, Biden, or Pete win the primary I will not cast a vote for either of them.

cmiller4642 posted...

We need to get rid of the other fake progressive boomers and replace them with more AOC types

Fuck the Democratic leadership that Obama and Clinton bowed down to

Sanders bowed to them,too when he supported clinton didn't he?

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This is a lame gimmick bro.
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tremain07 posted...

the people kinda don't really matter,tho. especially when everyone with power is gonna be backing Trump

Bernie is getting votes left, right and centre, to the point where he's winning caucuses and primaries like they're nothing. His voterbase is large and diverse, and a lot of people who were disillusioned or otherwise put off by the corporate shit show that 2016 was are mobilising this year and throwing their support behind Bernie.

You can be pessimistic about 2020 all you want, but the fact is that all that a candidate needs to become president is enough delegates, and enough votes. Hillary Clinton fucked that up by being propelled by media bias, losing a significant chunk of Bernie's voterbase in the process, and alienating the world with cheap, hollow rhetoric. 12% of potential Bernie voters are polled as voting for Trump after Hillary secured the nomination. This year, that voterbase is more active than ever, and Bernie Sanders is currently on track to get the nomination.

The second you go "it doesn't matter, other forces will bring Bernie down, it won't last forever and we'll just have another four years of Trump", you've played into the hands of Trump supporters. Look at their language over the past 6+ months - they taunt people with "four more years of Trump", never breaking from the script to the point where you might start to feel discouraged. Their rhetoric is united and strong - Donald Trump is going to get re-elected. None of the democrats are going to be able to beat Trump. He's going to be president for another four years, and there's nothing you can do about it. All it does is sow doubt, make people a bit more critical and cautious of the Democratic nomination process as it goes on.

The best way to counter blind Trumper horseshit is to get politically active, back a candidate and stand behind them. There's a reason Bernie Sanders has so much support - he's consistent, he's progressive and he's tenacious. You've already lost if you're giving into the Trumper doom and gloom now - Sanders has a massive demographic that goes across age groups and races that other candidates haven't managed to unite, and the thunder he's generating can directly challenge Trump.

You've talked about being depressed before, about not getting your hopes up about shit like this because you expect to be let down again. I understand the pessimism after 2016. But going out and saying "Bernie's doomed, even if the people want him rich people will sink him, there's no hope" only plays into the hands of Trump's supporters, and it furthers a message of hopelessness and lack of faith that warns other people to stay away. Even if you're not willing to get back on the Bernie bandwagon, understand that his sort of rhetoric only strengthens Trump's chances of re-election and the rhetoric of his followers, and further harms the chances of any candidate you might prefer.

If you hate Trump that much, dooming and glooming over his supposedly inevitable re-election only serves to make that reality more likely. If you're disillusioned, fine, but rolling over like this and ceding the next 4 years to Trump out of despair and lack of hope only serves to spread that same doubt to other people and weaken their trust in this election as well.

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Sounds like he has the right enemies.

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His Senate Democratic colleagues seem to like him pretty well.

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tremain07 posted...

if y some miracle he wins he'll be ruling on executive orders alone

Yes that is the plan.

You're either with the establishment or with the people.
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tremain07 posted...

the people kinda don't really matter,tho. especially when everyone with power is gonna be backing Trump

Good...will make it easy to identify who needs to be voted out and/or fired when Bernie wins

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Rising loves him.

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Which is why I'm voting for him.

He doesn't need crooked friends, the people love him

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The less free-market-minded economically populist dissident right seems to have a thing for him.

Do not underestimate his crossover appeal.

E32005 posted...

thats when you know you're doing something right

pretty much

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Hes the only good presidential candidate and its insane anyone would vote against him

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I'm a classical liberal (American "libertarian", but that doesn't really reflect well on my views) for the most part, and I prefer him over any of the other major people running in the US. Most candidates in the US just want to set up a corporate welfare state and it's hard to get behind that. It's unfortunate that none are willing to take on the biggest form of corporate welfare, intellectual property, but what can you do.

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ssjevot posted...

I'm a classical liberal (American "libertarian", but that doesn't really reflect well on my views) for the most part, and I prefer him over any of the other major people running in the US. Most candidates in the US just want to set up a corporate welfare state and it's hard to get behind that. It's unfortunate that none are willing to take on the biggest form of corporate welfare, intellectual property, but what can you do.

While I consider Bernie the most genuine man left in the running, his economics are predicated on a school of monetary thought which takes the monetary state of affairs as a given. The unfortunate reality is that this state of affairs wherein there are no consequences for assuming more debt than can realistically paid off in the near future is propped up by some absolutely ugly geopolitical mechanisms, without which our economy would likely collapse.

Never mind my philosophical disagreements with the viability his economics, the issue with the external monetary implications are perhaps my greatest ethical scruple. Mind you, none of the other candidates give a damn either, left or right save for a few tea partiers and the occasional economically savvy left/right anarchist, but it's something I wish more were cognizant of, especially well-meaning politicians like Bernie.

Apologies for the rant, a little drowsy.

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As you say in your second paragraph, Republicans have no problem increasing spending while decreasing revenue so I don't really see that as something unique to Bernie. If I were to design my ideal candidate it wouldn't look much like Bernie, but like I say he is simply the best guy running in my opinion.

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You should start the wacky ancap clique of ce

Heroes are often misunderstood.

also most politicians are corrupt, so this is good if they hate him

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I'll be honest, as much as I like and respect Bernie, I worry about how ineffectual he would be as a leader for this reason.

Obama suffered a similar problem, and he had a lot more friends.

The system is broken because you need a host of crony nepotites to bully legislation through.

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pinky0926 posted...

I'll be honest, as much as I like and respect Bernie, I worry about how ineffectual he would be as a leader for this reason.

Obama suffered a similar problem, and he had a lot more friends.

The system is broken because you need a host of crony nepotites to bully legislation through.

Bernie has stated that he will use the bully pulpit and primary people who aren't with his agenda

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pinky0926 posted...

I'll be honest, as much as I like and respect Bernie, I worry about how ineffectual he would be as a leader for this reason.

Obama suffered a similar problem, and he had a lot more friends.

The system is broken because you need a host of crony nepotites to bully legislation through.

Obama was always an establishment Democrat, and people who deluded themselves into thinking he wasn't might have been disappointed, but the reason he had friends was precisely because he never intended to be any kind of radical.

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tremain07 posted...

That's not good, it means if y some miracle he wins he'll be ruling on executive orders alone because no way are the senate and congress gonna work with him and of course there's also the big possibility that the states give his executive orders the finger too

Not only that, most of the judges will hate him seeing as they're A) All appointed by more moderate Democrats, or just Republicans, and B) are old enough to remember when being a communist was a bad thing in America. Sanders in office will literally be 4 years of gridlock. Trump is making things happen while the media frenzies on getting rid of him, Sanders will literally accomplish nothing because everyone will agree they want to destroy him.
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tremain07 posted...

Democrats hate him
Republicans hate him
Moderates hate him
Progressives sorta hate him
Media hates him
Even Talks show hosts hate him

Media and talk show hosts hate him because their allegiance lies with the money. See, your argument is basically, no one likes him so why vote for him...?? Is that your argument? Well then if America's interests aren't ever considered and only the opinions of people who bow down to the dollar are ever valued, then the country won't ever improve. it's GOOD that these people hate him. That's a symptom of his revolutionary nature. He's real.

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tremain07 posted...

Democrats hate him
Moderates hate him

redundant

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8-bit_Biceps posted...

redundant

No it isn't. There are plenty of non-moderates in the DNC. But of course, if you slurp the CNN line that all of the GOP is far right you aren't worth listening to anyway.
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Crazyman93 posted...

if you slurp the CNN line that all of the GOP is far right you aren't worth listening to anyway.

...or, y'know, I'm not American
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teepan95 posted...

...or, y'know, I'm not American

Well see, we're talking about AMERICAN politics, so therefore it's going to be from an AMERICAN perspective. Funny how that works.
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Crazyman93 posted...

teepan95 posted...

...or, y'know, I'm not American

Well see, we're talking about AMERICAN politics, so therefore it's going to be from an AMERICAN perspective. Funny how that works.

Fair enough, but that doesn't automatically make someone "not worth listening to anyway"
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Who needs friends when you have 3 houses.

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Kolibri X posted...

Who needs friends when you have 3 houses.

Do you think he picked Golden Deer, Blue Lions, or Black Eagles?
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The rich and the elites don't like him

That in of itself makes him the least worst candidate.
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The Russians love him since theyre now helping him. Bernie is a Russian asset #BernieIsARussianAsset

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iPhone_7 posted...

The Russians love him since theyre now helping him. Bernie is a Russian asset #BernieIsARussianAsset

It's funny how after harping on Russia interfering for the last four years, when it's revealed they might be on Bernie's side CNN went "now hold on, we may be overstating the effect they're having..."
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