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LordoftheMorons
03/03/20 3:09:36 PM
#351:


Its definitely at least sometimes the stutter (like when he appeared to forget Obamas name and said the president instead, Im sure that was a word switch to get past the stutter).

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Suprak the Stud
03/03/20 3:12:10 PM
#352:


Kinglicious posted...
I absolutely love his declaration of Independence though. That's a top 10 gaffe outta him.

Hey this is top ten all time for me, for anyone. Its up there with Bushs CANT GET FOOLED AGAIN and Perrys ...oops.

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03/03/20 3:14:49 PM
#353:


https://twitter.com/shireen818/status/1234909514568089600

Very good thread giving context for and critiquing Warren's support for the US war in Yemen. Warren eventually came around to supporting a bill to stop this but it's worth noting that her foreign policy advisers include people who work with the Saudi government, people who worked in the Pentagon while Obama escalated the war, and others who work for weapons-manufacturing think tanks.

https://twitter.com/BurtonJM/status/1234913305573122053

It also appears that Warren sent a delegation to AIPAC.

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red sox 777
03/03/20 3:41:07 PM
#354:


TheRock1525 posted...
Because if you let Trump appoint a 7-2 conservative majority Supreme Court good luck having any sort of progressive agenda during your lifetime. If you're okay with that then go ahead and stay home but at the very least you should go vote and write in Bernie Sanders.

The conservative Supreme Court follows the law as written. If you pass constitutional progressive laws they will enforce them, if you want them to enact progressive policies themselves, they will refuse as they should.

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Corrik7
03/03/20 3:56:05 PM
#355:


Conservatives follow the letter of the law. Progressives follow what they feel the law should mean today. Basically the difference.

If it is 7-2 the next Democratic president will just pack the court. And half the country will be outraged while the other half of happy. Same as always

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KamikazePotato
03/03/20 4:05:15 PM
#356:


https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1234875770763464705

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HashtagSEP
03/03/20 4:07:34 PM
#357:


I just saw an MSNBC segment with somebody from Emily's List, and the lady said like a dozen times that Warren was the only female candidate left in the race.

I really hope this was intentional shade at Tulsi.

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Corrik7
03/03/20 4:14:21 PM
#358:


KamikazePotato posted...
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1234875770763464705
Sick burn.

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LordoftheMorons
03/03/20 4:15:05 PM
#359:


HashtagSEP posted...
I just saw an MSNBC segment with somebody from Emily's List, and the lady said like a dozen times that Warren was the only female candidate left in the race.

I really hope this was intentional shade at Tulsi.
Tulsis really more in the race for Fox News gig than President

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KamikazePotato
03/03/20 4:17:36 PM
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Wanglicious
03/03/20 4:20:38 PM
#361:


'tay-hahs we say here.'

uh, no.
i mean look if you're gonna try to correct someone saying Texas a certain way the least you can do is say it right.

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red sox 777
03/03/20 4:27:59 PM
#362:


Corrik7 posted...
Conservatives follow the letter of the law. Progressives follow what they feel the law should mean today. Basically the difference.

If it is 7-2 the next Democratic president will just pack the court. And half the country will be outraged while the other half of happy. Same as always

Yeah, if you can actually pass all those ideas that Bernie wants, to the extent they are constitutional, the Supreme Court isn't going to stop them. The wealth tax is probably unconstitutional and you'll need a constitutional amendment for that, but, again, the Supreme Court isn't going to stop you from getting one.


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TheRock1525
03/03/20 4:28:31 PM
#363:


Also if the youth vote fails to show up again I'm gonna be pissed.

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MichelBollinger
03/03/20 4:30:29 PM
#364:


TheRock1525 posted...
Also if the youth vote fails to show up again I'm gonna be pissed.

I imagine a lot of them are very disheartened by the last couple of days.
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HashtagSEP
03/03/20 4:33:21 PM
#365:


I still think it's dumb to be disheartened by endorsements like this.

We knew it was going to happen. Moderate candidates weren't going to drop out and endorse Bernie, and it was only wishful thinking to hope they'd stay in and play spoiler to Biden longer.

As I think Chris said, if Bernie can't beat Biden without others to play spoiler, then it's not meant to be.

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iiaattgg
03/03/20 4:34:02 PM
#366:


just left voting in my super liberal area that was eh energy wise in 2016 and supercharged in 2018. today the vibe was like a funeral. unless he dies trump is going to win.

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MichelBollinger
03/03/20 4:36:08 PM
#367:


I guess the hope would be that, since it's not actually possible for Biden to beat Trump, enough youths will realize that what today actually is the real November election. 2020 is decided today either way, it's gonna be Bernie or Trump.
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pyresword
03/03/20 4:39:37 PM
#368:


Can we please stop this narrative in which Bernie is the only one with a shot at beating Trump when most objective metrics I've seen suggest Biden has the better shot (really I would put them effectively equal) and also the x-factors suggest that Biden's numbers would more effectively carry over to the general.

I would prefer Bernie as president but it seems ludicrous to me to claim him as the only chance.
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iiaattgg
03/03/20 4:40:45 PM
#369:


iiaattgg posted...
just left voting in my super liberal area that was eh energy wise in 2016 and supercharged in 2018. today the vibe was like a funeral. unless he dies trump is going to win.
i voted biden by the way. as even though at this point im going with trump hes the one dem left that i wouldnt hate winning

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FFDragon
03/03/20 4:42:57 PM
#370:


HashtagSEP posted...
Moderate candidates weren't going to drop out and endorse Bernie,

Because they aren't even the same party!

This is where I would rehash my argument about the two party system and how it has killed American politics, but I have reached peak apathy.

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metroid composite
03/03/20 4:43:40 PM
#371:


Corrik7 posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1234875770763464705
Sick burn.

I mean...if it was intentionally meant as a burn, then yeah, pretty good.

If he actually genuinely can't keep track of who's still in the race when it's down to effectively four people (Tulsi doesn't count) then that is pretty pathetic. I as someone who refreshes a GameFAQs topic once every couple hours between videogames/eating/resting recovering from illness, should not know more about the presidential election than one of the four major candidates.

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Wanglicious
03/03/20 4:45:46 PM
#372:


ultimate plot twist would be bernie going 'fuck you guys i'm making my own party' and running 3rd party in the race.


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red sox 777
03/03/20 4:47:41 PM
#373:


pyresword posted...
Can we please stop this narrative in which Bernie is the only one with a shot at beating Trump when most objective metrics I've seen suggest Biden has the better shot (really I would put them effectively equal) and also the x-factors suggest that Biden's numbers would more effectively carry over to the general.

I would prefer Bernie as president but it seems ludicrous to me to claim him as the only chance.

I think it's pretty much reality. Biden will tank in the head to head matchup polls with Trump once he's the nominee.

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Corrik7
03/03/20 4:48:06 PM
#374:


Wanglicious posted...
ultimate plot twist would be bernie going 'fuck you guys i'm making my own party' and running 3rd party in the race.
See the thing is... Politics needs this to happen and the other side to see it as viable and do the same. But, it never will because the other side will just take the guaranteed win instead.

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red sox 777
03/03/20 4:51:54 PM
#375:


Wanglicious posted...
ultimate plot twist would be bernie going 'fuck you guys i'm making my own party' and running 3rd party in the race.

I would be really happy if he could beat the Democratic nominee. He could even start the downfall of the Democratic Party after almost 200 years and replace them with a new party, like the Republicans replaced the Whigs.

Something like:

Bernie Sanders

California
New York
Vermont
Massachusetts
Hawaii

102 Electoral Votes

Biden

District of Columbia
Maryland

13 Electoral Votes

Trump

Everything else

423 Electoral Votes

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KamikazePotato
03/03/20 4:52:34 PM
#376:


Wanglicious posted...
ultimate plot twist would be bernie going 'fuck you guys i'm making my own party' and running 3rd party in the race.
I'd be down

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Not_an_Owl
03/03/20 4:52:41 PM
#377:


pyresword posted...
Can we please stop this narrative in which Bernie is the only one with a shot at beating Trump when most objective metrics I've seen suggest Biden has the better shot (really I would put them effectively equal) and also the x-factors suggest that Biden's numbers would more effectively carry over to the general.

I would prefer Bernie as president but it seems ludicrous to me to claim him as the only chance.
I guess it really depends on what you think is going to move people more - months on end of SOCIALIST SOCIALIST COMMUNIST VENEZUELA SOCIALIST or Biden gaffeing and dementiaing his way through debates and the oncoming Senate Burisma investigation.

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HeroDelTiempo17
03/03/20 4:54:02 PM
#378:


Wanglicious posted...
ultimate plot twist would be bernie going 'fuck you guys i'm making my own party' and running 3rd party in the race.

This would outright guarantee a Trump win and I don't think he hates establishment dems as much as he does the Republicans, especially if he just loses to votes.

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LordoftheMorons
03/03/20 4:54:47 PM
#379:


I guess I do have a higher opinion of Bernie than some people here. I dont think he would literally hand the election to Trump by running third party!

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MichelBollinger
03/03/20 4:55:39 PM
#380:


pyresword posted...
Can we please stop this narrative in which Bernie is the only one with a shot at beating Trump when most objective metrics I've seen suggest Biden has the better shot

These are the same metrics that said Hilary was gonna crush Trump, so they are worthless.

Polls regarding the viability of moderate Democratic candidates are less than nothing to me.
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LordoftheMorons
03/03/20 4:56:00 PM
#381:


Not_an_Owl posted...
I guess it really depends on what you think is going to move people more - months on end of SOCIALIST SOCIALIST COMMUNIST VENEZUELA SOCIALIST or Biden gaffeing and dementiaing his way through debates and the oncoming Senate Burisma investigation.
I think impeachment has to a large extent vaccinated the public (and possibly more importantly the media) to credulously buying Burisma bullshit

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DoomTheGyarados
03/03/20 4:56:15 PM
#382:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I think impeachment has to a large extent vaccinated the public (and possibly more importantly the media) to credulously buying Burisma bullshit

Hahahahaha

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HeroDelTiempo17
03/03/20 4:56:22 PM
#383:


MichelBollinger posted...
These are the same metrics that said Hilary was gonna crush Trump, so they are worthless.

Polls regarding the viability of moderate Democratic candidates are less than nothing to me.

do we have to explain how probability works for the umpteenth time

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KamikazePotato
03/03/20 4:56:54 PM
#384:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I think impeachment has to a large extent vaccinated the public (and possibly more importantly the media) to credulously buying Burisma bullshit
Bruh

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Corrik7
03/03/20 4:57:23 PM
#385:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I think impeachment has to a large extent vaccinated the public (and possibly more importantly the media) to credulously buying Burisma bullshit
Trump was exonerated completely. Biden wasn't.

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LordoftheMorons
03/03/20 4:57:29 PM
#386:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Hahahahaha
I mean hes still gonna use it and some people are still gonna believe it. But I dont think that the media is going to buy in to it to the extent of EMAILS.

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KamikazePotato
03/03/20 4:58:02 PM
#387:


LordoftheMorons posted...
But I dont think that the media is going to buy in to it to the extent of EMAILS.

BRUH

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DoomTheGyarados
03/03/20 4:58:02 PM
#388:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I mean hes still gonna use it and some people are still gonna believe it. But I dont think that the media is going to buy in to it to the extent of EMAILS.

All this time I thought you were malicious. You just... :(

Oh man.

I am so sorry LotM.

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LordoftheMorons
03/03/20 4:58:04 PM
#389:


Corrik7 posted...
Trump was exonerated completely. Biden wasn't.
LOL

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red sox 777
03/03/20 4:58:11 PM
#390:


Yes, Trump was put on trial and he was acquitted. Biden has yet to stand trial.

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GildedFool
03/03/20 4:58:15 PM
#391:


Corrik7 posted...
Trump was exonerated completely. Biden wasn't.
Hahahahahahaha

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KamikazePotato
03/03/20 4:59:17 PM
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red sox 777
03/03/20 4:59:33 PM
#393:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I mean hes still gonna use it and some people are still gonna believe it. But I dont think that the media is going to buy in to it to the extent of EMAILS.

The Burisma scandal is way way way bigger than emails. It would be more like if we had found Hillary's emails, and in some of them she threatens to withhold billions in aid unless a foreign country donates to the Clinton Foundation.

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Corrik7
03/03/20 5:00:49 PM
#394:


red sox 777 posted...
The Burisma scandal is way way way bigger than emails. It would be more like if we had found Hillary's emails, and in some of them she threatens to withhold billions in aid unless a foreign country donates to the Clinton Foundation.
I doubt that cuz her emails likely tied into Benghazi

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MichelBollinger
03/03/20 5:00:52 PM
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LordoftheMorons
03/03/20 5:01:44 PM
#396:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
All this time I thought you were malicious. You just... :(

Oh man.

I am so sorry LotM.
I mean yeah I shouldnt underestimate the ability of the media to bothsides, but they were generally a lot better about pointing out that their was no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Joe and that there was no evidence of Hunter doing anything unlawful than anything they did with Clinton in 2016. Its possible that that all goes out the window in the general, but I think that there will at least be significant pushback in the newsrooms.

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HeroDelTiempo17
03/03/20 5:03:09 PM
#397:


MichelBollinger posted...
https://twitter.com/waterdiaries/status/1234730618195300352?s=19

the ballots are randomized.

On mine, the first candidate was Marrianne Williamson and the last, on page 3, was Joe Biden. Bernie was on page 2.

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Not_an_Owl
03/03/20 5:04:57 PM
#398:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Its possible that that all goes out the window in the general
This is exactly what's going to happen and you know it. Trump will have a new scandal every day, networks will insist on bothsidesing it and it'll be BURISMA BURISMA BURISMA for months.

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red sox 777
03/03/20 5:05:06 PM
#399:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I mean yeah I shouldnt underestimate the ability of the media to bothsides, but they were generally a lot better about pointing out that their was no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Joe and that there was no evidence of Hunter doing anything unlawful than anything they did with Clinton in 2016. Its possible that that all goes out the window in the general, but I think that there will at least be significant pushback in the newsrooms.

LOTM, you should be smarter than this. Do you think anyone who matters (any swing voter) still believes what the media reports at face value? There are probably people going, the media said there wasn't evidence against the Bidens, they must have done it!

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metroid composite
03/03/20 5:06:24 PM
#400:


Corrik7 posted...
Trump was exonerated completely. Biden wasn't.
See, the problem is that what Biden did was legal.

I mean, it shouldn't be. Kids of high up elected officials should not be allowed to take big checks effectively from foreign governments. I don't like it when Trump's kids do it, and I don't like it when Biden's kids do it either.

But there's no law there. Kids of famous politicians are allowed to go around the world and make money off of their last name. There should be a law there, but know who writes the laws? Famous politicians with kids.

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