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Omnislasher 03/04/20 9:40:13 PM #151:	Enjoy <cite>Omnislasher posted [p:935244396] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>Enjoy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 03/04/20 9:45:45 PM #153:	Darmik posted... If you think anyone to the right of Bernie is the enemy you'll never really get anywhere That's my curse. Disenfranchised by the entire world. We need change now, not maybe when my generation's grandchildren are running the world or whenever. No one gives a fuck about the climate or healthcare, so I find it hard to give a fuck about them. We talk about democracy and the beauty of voting and diversity, and then shame everyone that doesn't funnel into a few nice little safe groups when the time comes. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:935244655] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>If you think anyone to the right of Bernie is the enemy you'll never really get anywhere</quote>That's my curse. Disenfranchised by the entire world. We need change now, not maybe when my generation's grandchildren are running the world or whenever. No one gives a fuck about the climate or healthcare, so I find it hard to give a fuck about them. We talk about democracy and the beauty of voting and diversity, and then shame everyone that doesn't funnel into a few nice little safe groups when the time comes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 03/04/20 9:45:50 PM #154:	I'm sorry but if Biden's biggest (and only) electable trait is that he isn't Trump, he's definitely going to lose. We're reliving 2016 all over again because this fucking party is shit. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:935244661] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>I'm sorry but if Biden's biggest (and only) electable trait is that he isn't Trump, he's definitely going to lose. We're reliving 2016 all over again because this fucking party is shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 03/04/20 9:53:37 PM #155:	hockeybub89 posted... That's my curse. Disenfranchised by the entire world. We need change now, not maybe when my generation's grandchildren are running the world or whenever. No one gives a fuck about the climate or healthcare, so I find it hard to give a fuck about them. We talk about democracy and the beauty of voting and diversity, and then shame everyone that doesn't funnel into a few nice little safe groups when the time comes. By letting conservatives win you're setting back things even further. Every victory counts. Smashingpmkns posted... I'm sorry but if Biden's biggest (and only) electable trait is that he isn't Trump, he's definitely going to lose. We're reliving 2016 all over again because this fucking party is shit. Maybe. But like this is an issue almost everywhere. The right wing party basically can just show up, offer nothing and win. It's always an uphill battle for everyone else and even boring establishment candidates are losing to right wingers. You guys unfortunately aren't really in a good enough position to choose between left wing and establishment. And you never will be if the Republicans continue to have power. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:935245027] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>That's my curse. Disenfranchised by the entire world. We need change now, not maybe when my generation's grandchildren are running the world or whenever. No one gives a fuck about the climate or healthcare, so I find it hard to give a fuck about them. We talk about democracy and the beauty of voting and diversity, and then shame everyone that doesn't funnel into a few nice little safe groups when the time comes.</quote> By letting conservatives win you're setting back things even further. Every victory counts. Smashingpmkns posted... </cite> <quote>I'm sorry but if Biden's biggest (and only) electable trait is that he isn't Trump, he's definitely going to lose. We're reliving 2016 all over again because this fucking party is shit.</quote> Maybe. But like this is an issue almost everywhere. The right wing party basically can just show up, offer nothing and win. It's always an uphill battle for everyone else and even boring establishment candidates are losing to right wingers. You guys unfortunately aren't really in a good enough position to choose between left wing and establishment. And you never will be if the Republicans continue to have power. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 03/04/20 9:58:35 PM #156:	Darmik posted... Maybe. But like this is an issue almost everywhere. The right wing party basically can just show up, offer nothing and win. It's always an uphill battle for everyone else and even boring establishment candidates are losing to right wingers. You guys unfortunately aren't really in a good enough position to choose between left wing and establishment. And you never will be if the Republicans continue to have power. The right wing party is 100% okay with stagnant to regressive policies that is why it works for them. The left wing is not. We aren't talking about flipping swing voters, (though it is important to note that Bernie earned more independent and previously unregistered voters last night), we're talking about unifying a broken party. A centrist neoliberal is not going to unify the party regardless of all of this stupid concern trolling that also didn't work in 2016. This should have been the lesson that the dems learned, it wasn't. Hell, at this point it isn't even Joe Biden as a candidate that is being pushed as a unifier. It's the idea of another 4 years of Trump. This is not a winning strategy. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:935245251] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> Maybe. But like this is an issue almost everywhere. The right wing party basically can just show up, offer nothing and win. It's always an uphill battle for everyone else and even boring establishment candidates are losing to right wingers. You guys unfortunately aren't really in a good enough position to choose between left wing and establishment. And you never will be if the Republicans continue to have power. </quote> The right wing party is 100% okay with stagnant to regressive policies that is why it works for them. The left wing is not. We aren't talking about flipping swing voters, (though it is important to note that Bernie earned more independent and previously unregistered voters last night), we're talking about unifying a broken party. A centrist neoliberal is not going to unify the party regardless of all of this stupid concern trolling that also didn't work in 2016. This should have been the lesson that the dems learned, it wasn't. Hell, at this point it isn't even Joe Biden as a candidate that is being pushed as a unifier. It's the idea of another 4 years of Trump. This is not a winning strategy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 03/04/20 10:06:47 PM #157:	Smashingpmkns posted... The right wing party is 100% okay with stagnant to regressive policies that is why it works for them. The left wing is not. We aren't talking about flipping swing voters, (though it is important to note that Bernie earned more independent and previously unregistered voters last night), we're talking about unifying a broken party. A centrist neoliberal is not going to unify the party regardless of all of this stupid concern trolling that also didn't work in 2016. This should have been the lesson that the dems learned, it wasn't. The left wing isn't suddenly different today than it always has been. America is far from being a leftist country. You guys can't even figure out gun rights or health care and you think the country will do a hard pivot to Bernie after Trump? The lesson from Biden losing (and what should have been the lesson of Clinton losing) isn't that they should have chosen Bernie to win. It's that your country is way more fucking conservative and right wing than you're willing to acknowledge in the places that matter. I'm sure Bernie would dominate if all of America was like California. Unfortunately it isn't. You guys can act all smug for a night when Biden loses but then you're just gonna be stuck in a worse position due to pride anyway. I'm telling you this from a country that has universal health care that is constantly being set back from people in rural areas and voting for conservatives. We have preferential voting and independents and the left wing that you support still constantly get dominated in elections. If the DNC could only vote for Bernie or Biden who would win? Because it doesn't seem like Bernie would. That's meant to be the easier fight for him. Not the only thing stopping him. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:935245655] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted... </cite> <quote>The right wing party is 100% okay with stagnant to regressive policies that is why it works for them. The left wing is not. We aren't talking about flipping swing voters, (though it is important to note that Bernie earned more independent and previously unregistered voters last night), we're talking about unifying a broken party. A centrist neoliberal is not going to unify the party regardless of all of this stupid concern trolling that also didn't work in 2016. This should have been the lesson that the dems learned, it wasn't.</quote> The left wing isn't suddenly different today than it always has been. America is far from being a leftist country. You guys can't even figure out gun rights or health care and you think the country will do a hard pivot to Bernie after Trump? The lesson from Biden losing (and what should have been the lesson of Clinton losing) isn't that they should have chosen Bernie to win. It's that your country is way more fucking conservative and right wing than you're willing to acknowledge in the places that matter. I'm sure Bernie would dominate if all of America was like California. Unfortunately it isn't. You guys can act all smug for a night when Biden loses but then you're just gonna be stuck in a worse position due to pride anyway. I'm telling you this from a country that has universal health care that is constantly being set back from people in rural areas and voting for conservatives. We have preferential voting and independents and the left wing that you support still constantly get dominated in elections. If the DNC could only vote for Bernie or Biden who would win? Because it doesn't seem like Bernie would. That's meant to be the easier fight for him. Not the only thing stopping him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wewillrocku 03/04/20 10:07:57 PM #158:	l0gic posted... This sort of thinking is dangerous. i'll say. --- sometimes queen wrote about the sun. fiction wrote about it too. <cite>Wewillrocku posted [p:935245703] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>l0gic posted... </cite> <quote>This sort of thinking is dangerous.</quote>i'll say. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sad_Face 03/04/20 10:11:54 PM #159:	EvenSpoonier posted... No one's saying you have to. But what will you say to the kids in cages? "Dreadfully sorry about the whole concentration camp business, but I just couldn't bring myself to vote for someone who wasn't ideologically pure enough for my personal tastes"? Because that is what you're implicitly supporting if you deliberately refuse to make a move with a chance of removing Trump when the other options are gone. Choices have consequences, including the choice not to act. [Not] sorry kids, YOU'RE **ED. Look, this is America. Our lifestyles are built upon extorting the poor. The Apple computer I'm typing this up from? Manufactured in a Foxconn factory in China; home of the suicide safety nets and literal slave labor. The material used to produce the train cars I used everyday back when I was wasting my life away in in NYC? Mica Mined by African kids for 50 cents a day. Extrapolated further, the US dollar, the fiat currency we use everyday? The US takes great pains to ensure its value is maintained by destabilizing other countries that dare threaten our sovereignty. Those kids are a drop in the bucket compared to the ocean of other problems we have and that are coming (preparing for the coming smart contract revolution). To base your vote on that, to shame others based on that, reeks of ignorance and naivete. --- imgtc.com/i/4HgTl0ebzq.jpg imgtc.com/i/60CWP2Gtlg.gif <cite>Sad_Face posted [p:935245904] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>EvenSpoonier posted... </cite> <quote>No one's saying you have to. But what will you say to the kids in cages? "Dreadfully sorry about the whole concentration camp business, but I just couldn't bring myself to vote for someone who wasn't ideologically pure enough for my personal tastes"? Because that is what you're implicitly supporting if you deliberately refuse to make a move with a chance of removing Trump when the other options are gone. Choices have consequences, including the choice not to act.</quote> [Not] sorry kids, YOU'RE **ED. Look, this is America. Our lifestyles are built upon extorting the poor. The Apple computer I'm typing this up from? Manufactured in a Foxconn factory in China; home of the suicide safety nets and literal slave labor. The material used to produce the train cars I used everyday back when I was wasting my life away in in NYC? Mica Mined by African kids for 50 cents a day. Extrapolated further, the US dollar, the fiat currency we use everyday? The US takes great pains to ensure its value is maintained by destabilizing other countries that dare threaten our sovereignty. Those kids are a drop in the bucket compared to the ocean of other problems we have and that are coming (preparing for the coming smart contract revolution). To base your vote on that, to shame others based on that, reeks of ignorance and naivete. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 03/04/20 10:12:07 PM #160:	Darmik posted... The left wing isn't suddenly different today than it always has been. America is far from being a leftist country. You guys can't even figure out gun rights or health care and you think the country will do a hard pivot to Bernie after Trump? The lesson from Biden losing (and what should have been the lesson of Clinton losing) isn't that they should have chosen Bernie to win. It's that your country is way more fucking conservative and right wing than you're willing to acknowledge in the places that matter. I'm sure Bernie would dominate if all of America was like California. Unfortunately it isn't. You guys can act all smug for a night when Biden loses but then you're just gonna be stuck in a worse position due to pride anyway. I'm telling you this from a country that has universal health care that is constantly being set back from people in rural areas and voting for conservatives. We have preferential voting and independents and the left wing that you support still constantly get dominated in elections. If the DNC could only vote for Bernie or Biden who would win? Because it doesn't seem like Bernie would. That's meant to be the easier fight for him. Not the only thing stopping him. Sorry but most of this is bullshit. The last 2 democratic presidents won off of running very liberal campaigns. The last 3 democratic candidates that lost ran very moderate campaigns. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:935245913] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>The left wing isn't suddenly different today than it always has been. America is far from being a leftist country. You guys can't even figure out gun rights or health care and you think the country will do a hard pivot to Bernie after Trump? The lesson from Biden losing (and what should have been the lesson of Clinton losing) isn't that they should have chosen Bernie to win. It's that your country is way more fucking conservative and right wing than you're willing to acknowledge in the places that matter. I'm sure Bernie would dominate if all of America was like California. Unfortunately it isn't. You guys can act all smug for a night when Biden loses but then you're just gonna be stuck in a worse position due to pride anyway. I'm telling you this from a country that has universal health care that is constantly being set back from people in rural areas and voting for conservatives. We have preferential voting and independents and the left wing that you support still constantly get dominated in elections. If the DNC could only vote for Bernie or Biden who would win? Because it doesn't seem like Bernie would. That's meant to be the easier fight for him. Not the only thing stopping him. </quote> Sorry but most of this is bullshit. The last 2 democratic presidents won off of running very liberal campaigns. The last 3 democratic candidates that lost ran very moderate campaigns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 03/04/20 10:13:28 PM #161:	Smashingpmkns posted... Sorry but most of this is bullshit. The last 2 democratic presidents won off of running very liberal campaigns. The last 3 democratic candidates that lost ran very moderate campaigns. Hillary's campaign was far to the left of Obama's campaign... --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:935245982] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted... </cite> <quote>Sorry but most of this is bullshit. The last 2 democratic presidents won off of running very liberal campaigns. The last 3 democratic candidates that lost ran very moderate campaigns.</quote> Hillary's campaign was far to the left of Obama's campaign... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 03/04/20 10:14:18 PM #162:	Smashingpmkns posted... Sorry but most of this is bullshit. The last 2 democratic presidents won off of running very liberal campaigns. The last 3 democratic candidates that lost ran very moderate campaigns. Yeah super left wing Bill Clinton and Obama. What a difference from Biden. Let's be honest. These guys win through charisma. Unfortunately that's more important than policies that people don't actually read. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:935246024] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted... </cite> <quote>Sorry but most of this is bullshit. The last 2 democratic presidents won off of running very liberal campaigns. The last 3 democratic candidates that lost ran very moderate campaigns.</quote> Yeah super left wing Bill Clinton and Obama. What a difference from Biden. Let's be honest. These guys win through charisma. Unfortunately that's more important than policies that people don't actually read. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 03/04/20 10:18:06 PM #163:	Darmik posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Sorry but most of this is bullshit. The last 2 democratic presidents won off of running very liberal campaigns. The last 3 democratic candidates that lost ran very moderate campaigns. Yeah super left wing Bill Clinton and Obama. What a difference from Biden. Let's be honest. These guys win through charisma. Unfortunately that's more important than policies that people don't actually read. Both Bill Clinton and Obama ran very liberal campaigns, especially Obama in 2012. that doesn't mean their presidencies were very liberal. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:935246222] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted... </cite> <quote> Sorry but most of this is bullshit. The last 2 democratic presidents won off of running very liberal campaigns. The last 3 democratic candidates that lost ran very moderate campaigns.</quote> Yeah super left wing Bill Clinton and Obama. What a difference from Biden. Let's be honest. These guys win through charisma. Unfortunately that's more important than policies that people don't actually read. </quote> Both Bill Clinton and Obama ran very liberal campaigns, especially Obama in 2012. that doesn't mean their presidencies were very liberal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 03/04/20 10:21:28 PM #164:	Smashingpmkns posted... Both Bill Clinton and Obama ran very liberal campaigns, especially Obama in 2012. that doesn't mean their presidencies were very liberal. Who do you think they support in the current DNC line up? What makes them more liberal than Biden? Like if I look up a list of; Bernie Sanders Joe Biden Hilary Clinton Barack Obama John Kerry Al Gore Bill Clinton Whose policies stick out the most? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:935246361] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted... </cite> <quote>Both Bill Clinton and Obama ran very liberal campaigns, especially Obama in 2012. that doesn't mean their presidencies were very liberal.</quote> Who do you think they support in the current DNC line up? What makes them more liberal than Biden? Like if I look up a list of; Bernie Sanders Joe Biden Hilary Clinton Barack Obama John Kerry Al Gore Bill Clinton Whose policies stick out the most? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 03/04/20 10:21:49 PM #165:	Darmik, you're just making it sound like there is no hope for the true left in modern society. "You have to vote for status quo moderates because it slows down conservatives and maybe if you're lucky things will be more how you like them some time long after you're dead." "The GOP can do nothing and win" sounds like a condemnation of the DNC to me, not a good reason to prop them up so they can win and do somewhat nicer nothing. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:935246381] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>Darmik, you're just making it sound like there is no hope for the true left in modern society. "You have to vote for status quo moderates because it slows down conservatives and maybe if you're lucky things will be more how you like them some time long after you're dead." "The GOP can do nothing and win" sounds like a condemnation of the DNC to me, not a good reason to prop them up so they can win and do somewhat nicer nothing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 03/04/20 10:23:43 PM #166:	hockeybub89 posted... Darmik, you're just making it sound like there is just no hope for the true left in modern society. Slow change is pretty much the only way change has ever happened in the US. For obvious systemic reasons. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:935246456] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Darmik, you're just making it sound like there is just no hope for the true left in modern society.</quote> Slow change is pretty much the only way change has ever happened in the US. For obvious systemic reasons. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 03/04/20 10:26:17 PM #167:	Darmik posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Both Bill Clinton and Obama ran very liberal campaigns, especially Obama in 2012. that doesn't mean their presidencies were very liberal. Who do you think they support in the current DNC line up? What makes them more liberal than Biden? Like if I look up a list of; Bernie Sanders Joe Biden Hilary Clinton Barack Obama John Kerry Al Gore Bill Clinton Whose policies stick out the most? I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Both Bill Clinton and Obama won voters because they ran very liberal campaigns. Hillary didn't, Biden is not. The messaging behind Obama's and Bernie's campaign are much more similar than Biden and Obama's. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:935246559] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted... </cite> <quote> Both Bill Clinton and Obama ran very liberal campaigns, especially Obama in 2012. that doesn't mean their presidencies were very liberal.</quote> Who do you think they support in the current DNC line up? What makes them more liberal than Biden? Like if I look up a list of; Bernie Sanders Joe Biden Hilary Clinton Barack Obama John Kerry Al Gore Bill Clinton Whose policies stick out the most? </quote> I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Both Bill Clinton and Obama won voters because they ran very liberal campaigns. Hillary didn't, Biden is not. The messaging behind Obama's and Bernie's campaign are much more similar than Biden and Obama's.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skye Reynolds 03/04/20 10:26:37 PM #168:	I don't believe Biden would divert money to build a hate wall or destroy the graves of Native Americans to do so. Nor do I think he would keep the children of undocumented immigrants locked up without access to proper hygiene. But, hey, fuck the left for not going full socialist. Let's vote for Trump outta spite. <cite>Skye Reynolds posted [p:935246571] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>I don't believe Biden would divert money to build a hate wall or destroy the graves of Native Americans to do so. Nor do I think he would keep the children of undocumented immigrants locked up without access to proper hygiene. But, hey, fuck the left for not going full socialist. Let's vote for Trump outta spite. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 03/04/20 10:28:16 PM #169:	COVxy posted... Slow change is pretty much the only way change has ever happened in the US. For obvious systemic reasons. That's the problem: climate change, for example, demands rapid change, or else it will cause rapid negative change within our lifetimes. Also... https://twitter.com/karpmj/status/1235228229960708096 People seem to really love Medicare for All(it's being described as a government insurance plan that replaces private insurance in this poll) and will probably be really disappointed when they discover neither Biden nor the political establishment give a rat's ass. May even be like the disappointment that led to 2010... <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:935246638] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite> <quote>Slow change is pretty much the only way change has ever happened in the US. For obvious systemic reasons.</quote>That's the problem: climate change, for example, demands rapid change, or else it will cause rapid negative change within our lifetimes. Also... https://twitter.com/karpmj/status/1235228229960708096 People seem to really love Medicare for All(it's being described as a government insurance plan that replaces private insurance in this poll) and will probably be really disappointed when they discover neither Biden nor the political establishment give a rat's ass. May even be like the disappointment that led to 2010... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 03/04/20 10:29:39 PM #170:	COVxy posted... Slow change is pretty much the only way change has ever happened in the US. For obvious systemic reasons. I'm sure people now will be happy to know they died in debt when they got sick so their great-grandchildren could see slightly better. Slow change isn't working anymore and it's a shame people will vote against their own good. Do we all not live on the planet? Do we all not require healthcare at one time? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:935246710] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite> <quote>Slow change is pretty much the only way change has ever happened in the US. For obvious systemic reasons.</quote>I'm sure people now will be happy to know they died in debt when they got sick so their great-grandchildren could see slightly better. Slow change isn't working anymore and it's a shame people will vote against their own good. Do we all not live on the planet? Do we all not require healthcare at one time? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 03/04/20 10:35:55 PM #171:	hockeybub89 posted... I'm sure people now will be happy to know they died in debt when they got sick so their great-grandchildren could see slightly better. Slow change isn't working anymore and it's a shame people will vote against their own good. Do we all not live on the planet? Do we all not require healthcare at one time? I mean, you'd have an easier time implementing an entirely new government than successfully implementing policy to enact MFA in our current system. It's a nice idea, but when fucking Obamacare got torn to shreds through the process, what possible hope do you have getting MFA to work? The truth is, if Sanders gets into office, best case scenario, he hacks together whatever he has the power to do so using executive privilege, which gets torn down by the next conservative president before there's enough time to implement the infrastructure. Second best case scenario he undoes the damage Trump has done to Obamacare and tries to build moderate policy on top of it through tradition processes. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:935247029] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>I'm sure people now will be happy to know they died in debt when they got sick so their great-grandchildren could see slightly better. Slow change isn't working anymore and it's a shame people will vote against their own good. Do we all not live on the planet? Do we all not require healthcare at one time?</quote> I mean, you'd have an easier time implementing an entirely new government than successfully implementing policy to enact MFA in our current system. It's a nice idea, but when fucking Obamacare got torn to shreds through the process, what possible hope do you have getting MFA to work? The truth is, if Sanders gets into office, best case scenario, he hacks together whatever he has the power to do so using executive privilege, which gets torn down by the next conservative president before there's enough time to implement the infrastructure. Second best case scenario he undoes the damage Trump has done to Obamacare and tries to build moderate policy on top of it through tradition processes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 03/04/20 10:37:53 PM #172:	hockeybub89 posted... Darmik, you're just making it sound like there is no hope for the true left in modern society. "You have to vote for status quo moderates because it slows down conservatives and maybe if you're lucky things will be more how you like them some time long after you're dead." "The GOP can do nothing and win" sounds like a condemnation of the DNC to me, not a good reason to prop them up so they can win and do somewhat nicer nothing. If Bernie wins the nomination there is hope that maybe the country could pivot. But unless he does there is not. If you think what happening to him now is rigged you have no idea how much worse it would get for an actual election. Again countries all over the world are going through this shit. Bernie is not some unique factor. This is meant to be the easiest obstacle to overcome. Smashingpmkns posted... I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Both Bill Clinton and Obama won voters because they ran very liberal campaigns. Hillary didn't, Biden is not. The messaging behind Obama's and Bernie's campaign are much more similar than Biden and Obama's. Based on what? What messaging? Hope? Which one of them were anywhere close to heavily taxing billionaires, universal healthcare and removing student debt? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:935247096] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Darmik, you're just making it sound like there is no hope for the true left in modern society. "You have to vote for status quo moderates because it slows down conservatives and maybe if you're lucky things will be more how you like them some time long after you're dead." "The GOP can do nothing and win" sounds like a condemnation of the DNC to me, not a good reason to prop them up so they can win and do somewhat nicer nothing.</quote> If Bernie wins the nomination there is hope that maybe the country could pivot. But unless he does there is not. If you think what happening to him now is rigged you have no idea how much worse it would get for an actual election. Again countries all over the world are going through this shit. Bernie is not some unique factor. This is meant to be the easiest obstacle to overcome. Smashingpmkns posted... </cite> <quote>I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Both Bill Clinton and Obama won voters because they ran very liberal campaigns. Hillary didn't, Biden is not. The messaging behind Obama's and Bernie's campaign are much more similar than Biden and Obama's.</quote> Based on what? What messaging? Hope? Which one of them were anywhere close to heavily taxing billionaires, universal healthcare and removing student debt? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarrieChan 03/05/20 1:46:32 AM #173:	The Catgirl Fondler posted... It's not trolling, I've been living in a homeless shelter for over a year now, and I was born and raised lower class before that. My life has pretty much always been shitty despite living in an alleged first world country. For the most part, I've never had any reason to trust politicians, or the middle and the upper class that keeps voting them in because it's always about their best interests and never mine. Which I understand now, this is about "commoner wants versus aristocrat wants" and red and blue have always maintained a "fuck the poor" attitude. And so here I am, getting fucked for the umpteenth time, but with the added audacity that my assailants are accusing me of being the villian somehow. Here's an idea, why don't these yuppie kind go try collectively fucking themselves for a change? Get a job and stop trying to mooch off people who actually work and contribute to society. Working people already struggle enough to afford their own shit. They don't want to be paying for yours. <cite>CarrieChan posted [p:935253656] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>The Catgirl Fondler posted... </cite> <quote>It's not trolling, I've been living in a homeless shelter for over a year now, and I was born and raised lower class before that. My life has pretty much always been shitty despite living in an alleged first world country. For the most part, I've never had any reason to trust politicians, or the middle and the upper class that keeps voting them in because it's always about their best interests and never mine. Which I understand now, this is about "commoner wants versus aristocrat wants" and red and blue have always maintained a "fuck the poor" attitude. And so here I am, getting fucked for the umpteenth time, but with the added audacity that my assailants are accusing me of being the villian somehow. Here's an idea, why don't these yuppie kind go try collectively fucking themselves for a change?</quote>Get a job and stop trying to mooch off people who actually work and contribute to society. Working people already struggle enough to afford their own shit. They don't want to be paying for yours. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RikashiX 03/05/20 2:52:08 AM #174:	Lol look at you guys freaking out. Scrambling to get people to vote Biden to those who don't want to .. Ahhh 4 more years of greatness. --- "Nulla e reale, tutto e lecito" - GT NihonjinRikugun 3DS FC: 3067-8390-9586 <cite>RikashiX posted [p:935255132] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>Lol look at you guys freaking out. Scrambling to get people to vote Biden to those who don't want to .. Ahhh 4 more years of greatness. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 03/05/20 2:55:35 AM #175:	I would rather have Trump again than Biden --- Common sense is the most uncommon thing in the world-some dude. <cite>Smackems posted [p:935255197] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>I would rather have Trump again than Biden </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gguirao 03/05/20 2:59:07 AM #176:	I don't want a vote for Trump on my conscience. --- Donald J. Trump--proof against government intelligence. <cite>gguirao posted [p:935255262] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>I don't want a vote for Trump on my conscience. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1NfamousACE_2 03/05/20 7:11:53 AM #177:	https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/donald-trump-coronavirus-work-reaction-095155632.html This man is telling people it is okay to go to work with the coronavirus, how can you sit around and do nothing about it? Thats why you have to vote blue --- Brady will never receive a HOF vote. He has been blackballed for cheating. - DeadCellReborn <cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted [p:935259269] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/donald-trump-coronavirus-work-reaction-095155632.html This man is telling people it is okay to go to work with the coronavirus, how can you sit around and do nothing about it? Thats why you have to vote blue </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1NfamousACE_2 03/05/20 7:23:16 AM #178:	https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-white-house-audio-visual-coronavirus-briefing-085435407.html A press conference on the coronavirus and the White House bans audio and filming. This is why you should vote blue no matter who. --- Brady will never receive a HOF vote. He has been blackballed for cheating. - DeadCellReborn <cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted [p:935259477] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-white-house-audio-visual-coronavirus-briefing-085435407.html A press conference on the coronavirus and the White House bans audio and filming. This is why you should vote blue no matter who. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MarqueeSeries 03/05/20 11:15:32 AM #179:	https://mobile.twitter.com/BethLynch2020/status/1235401190357245954 Biden telling a man asking him to do something about the kids separated from their families at the border, and being told to "vote for Trump" That's why you should vote bl- Wait, what the fuck? --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>MarqueeSeries posted [p:935266169] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>https://mobile.twitter.com/BethLynch2020/status/1235401190357245954 Biden telling a man asking him to do something about the kids separated from their families at the border, and being told to "vote for Trump" That's why you should vote bl- Wait, what the fuck?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kayoticdreamz 03/05/20 12:07:28 PM #180:	The meltdowns in this thread are real <cite>kayoticdreamz posted [p:935268271] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>The meltdowns in this thread are real </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XXmiznatorXX 03/05/20 12:09:08 PM #181:	What exactly is Biden's message? I've not heard him say one thing about policy since he's been running. He did say he'll raise our taxes, though. <cite>XXmiznatorXX posted [p:935268338] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>What exactly is Biden's message? I've not heard him say one thing about policy since he's been running. He did say he'll raise our taxes, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiKuToTheMiGhtY 03/05/20 12:12:59 PM #182:	You should vote for the politics and candidate you support the views of not just vote based on the party they represent. --- doa-plus.com - We Press Forward. . . By Pressing Back. <cite>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted [p:935268473] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>You should vote for the politics and candidate you support the views of not just vote based on the party they represent. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
krazychao5 03/05/20 12:24:54 PM #183:	RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted... You should vote for the politics and candidate you support the views of not just vote based on the party they represent. haha, with these freaks, that's like telling people they should stop rooting for their sports teams they've been fans of since childhood. --- https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/profile/bigllama?type=posted <cite>krazychao5 posted [p:935268919] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted... </cite> <quote>You should vote for the politics and candidate you support the views of not just vote based on the party they represent.</quote>haha, with these freaks, that's like telling people they should stop rooting for their sports teams they've been fans of since childhood. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiKuToTheMiGhtY 03/05/20 12:27:32 PM #184:	Well I dont see any reason to be that way, I voted for Obama and used to be a democrat voter until Hilary had me switching sides in 2016 as I refused to be associated with the party that actually supported her. In 2020 I do not know who I am going to cast my vote for. --- doa-plus.com - We Press Forward. . . By Pressing Back. <cite>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted [p:935269010] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>Well I dont see any reason to be that way, I voted for Obama and used to be a democrat voter until Hilary had me switching sides in 2016 as I refused to be associated with the party that actually supported her. In 2020 I do not know who I am going to cast my vote for. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 03/05/20 12:28:21 PM #185:	XXmiznatorXX posted... What exactly is Biden's message? I've not heard him say one thing about policy since he's been running. He did say he'll raise our taxes, though. listen here jack how do i open pdf --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:935269047] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>XXmiznatorXX posted... </cite> <quote>What exactly is Biden's message? I've not heard him say one thing about policy since he's been running. He did say he'll raise our taxes, though.</quote>listen here jack how do i open pdf </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EffectAndCause 03/05/20 12:29:30 PM #186:	XXmiznatorXX posted... What exactly is Biden's message? I've not heard him say one thing about policy since he's been running. He did say he'll raise our taxes, though. I aint Trump! - Biden 2020 --- https://imgur.com/wMshiEN <cite>EffectAndCause posted [p:935269085] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>XXmiznatorXX posted...</cite> <quote>What exactly is Biden's message? I've not heard him say one thing about policy since he's been running. He did say he'll raise our taxes, though. </quote> I aint Trump! - Biden 2020</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 03/05/20 12:31:29 PM #187:	I think the message is not that you should vote for whichever candidate you like most (even if they're not on the ballot), but that you should make the choice that has the most benefit to you. And if you thought that was Bernie, and then the choice boils down to Biden or Trump, the answer is obviously Biden. But, people don't vote on pragmatic benefit, the vote on principle, so if your guy isn't in it, it feels more righteous to protest vote. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:935269167] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>I think the message is not that you should vote for whichever candidate you like most (even if they're not on the ballot), but that you should make the choice that has the most benefit to you. And if you thought that was Bernie, and then the choice boils down to Biden or Trump, the answer is obviously Biden. But, people don't vote on pragmatic benefit, the vote on principle, so if your guy isn't in it, it feels more righteous to protest vote. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 03/05/20 12:33:37 PM #188:	Why do we have to keep voting for the lesser of two evils? --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:935269259] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>Why do we have to keep voting for the lesser of two evils? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkScorbunny 03/05/20 12:34:18 PM #189:	Why? Trump is already good. Trump 2020. He represents me well! <cite>LinkScorbunny posted [p:935269285] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>Why? Trump is already good. Trump 2020. He represents me well! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
archedsoul 03/05/20 12:35:03 PM #190:	I voted Indigo. --- "Fear cuts deeper than swords." <cite>archedsoul posted [p:935269315] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>I voted Indigo. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 03/05/20 1:04:51 PM #191:	COVxy posted... I think the message is not that you should vote for whichever candidate you like most (even if they're not on the ballot), but that you should make the choice that has the most benefit to you. And if you thought that was Bernie, and then the choice boils down to Biden or Trump, the answer is obviously Biden. But, people don't vote on pragmatic benefit, the vote on principle, so if your guy isn't in it, it feels more righteous to protest vote. pretty sure voting on the basis of pragmatism would just cause you to never vote --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:935270523] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite> <quote>I think the message is not that you should vote for whichever candidate you like most (even if they're not on the ballot), but that you should make the choice that has the most benefit to you. And if you thought that was Bernie, and then the choice boils down to Biden or Trump, the answer is obviously Biden. But, people don't vote on pragmatic benefit, the vote on principle, so if your guy isn't in it, it feels more righteous to protest vote.</quote> pretty sure voting on the basis of pragmatism would just cause you to never vote </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 03/05/20 2:02:25 PM #192:	Balrog0 posted... pretty sure voting on the basis of pragmatism would just cause you to never vote Eh, if E[x]>E[y], even if by a very small amount, action in one direction should be preferred. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:935272901] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>pretty sure voting on the basis of pragmatism would just cause you to never vote</quote> Eh, if E[x]>E[y], even if by a very small amount, action in one direction should be preferred. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 03/05/20 6:11:19 PM #193:	https://twitter.com/ButNoPotato/status/1235680062650933248 --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:935283459] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ButNoPotato/status/1235680062650933248</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarrieChan 03/05/20 6:17:24 PM #194:	Lol @The_Catgirl_Fondler blocked me for telling him to get a job and stop mooching off others. <cite>CarrieChan posted [p:935283728] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>Lol @The_Catgirl_Fondler blocked me for telling him to get a job and stop mooching off others. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omnislasher 03/05/20 6:18:37 PM #195:	CarrieChan posted... Lol @The_Catgirl_Fondler blocked me for telling him to get a job and stop mooching off others. rightly so. i think i'll do the same. <cite>Omnislasher posted [p:935283773] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>CarrieChan posted... </cite> <quote>Lol @The_Catgirl_Fondler blocked me for telling him to get a job and stop mooching off others.</quote>rightly so. i think i'll do the same. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TaiIs82 03/05/20 6:46:27 PM #196:	Your vote does not belong to any party, and I respect people who know that. I went third party in 2012 and a write-in for 2016. --- Hero/Legend of 2020, Lover of life,free speech,etc. http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1196- The man who cared too much. Providing trickle-down knowledge since 2009 <cite>TaiIs82 posted [p:935284926] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>Your vote does not belong to any party, and I respect people who know that. I went third party in 2012 and a write-in for 2016. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MarqueeSeries 03/05/20 7:43:52 PM #197:	Omnislasher posted... CarrieChan posted... Lol @The_Catgirl_Fondler blocked me for telling him to get a job and stop mooching off others. rightly so. i think i'll do the same. I'll third that --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>MarqueeSeries posted [p:935287233] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>Omnislasher posted...</cite> <quote>CarrieChan posted... </cite> <quote> Lol @The_Catgirl_Fondler blocked me for telling him to get a job and stop mooching off others.</quote>rightly so. i think i'll do the same.</quote> I'll third that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarrieChan 03/06/20 3:16:22 AM #198:	Lol got blocked by poster 197. Must be another weak NEET. <cite>CarrieChan posted [p:935301797] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>Lol got blocked by poster 197. Must be another weak NEET. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 03/06/20 3:28:22 AM #199:	As someone who wants you to vote Biden, I think you should vote whatever you feel. Trump will probably win without liberal conslidarity, but it'll be fine. Life will go on and everything will be fine --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:935301971] in Why must w... [t:78449416]...</cite> <quote>As someone who wants you to vote Biden, I think you should vote whatever you feel. Trump will probably win without liberal conslidarity, but it'll be fine. Life will go on and everything will be fine </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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