Current Events > Oregon GOP walks out of legislative session over climate bill

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Antifar
03/06/20 10:43:28 AM
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https://www.kptv.com/news/oregon-legislative-session-implodes-amid-gop-walkout/article_625f7147-0288-5d7b-92a9-d5401a6ed183.html

Oregon's 2020 legislative session ended abruptly Thursday amid a boycott by minority Republicans over a climate change measure

At a news conference, Democratic lawmakers, some struggling to keep their composure, said representative democracy is at stake. Frustration boiled into the open after Senate Republican Leader Herman Baertschiger, Jr., said his party would return only to vote on emergency budget bills.

A "minority is shutting down government and impacting the will of the voters who elected us to be here, said Rep. Diego Hernandez of Portland. By shutting down this process and choosing things that benefit them, it's a historical precedent that I think shows us where we're headed and where we could be headed and that anytime they are not happy with any sort of bill, our government is going to be shut down.

Senate President Peter Courtney took the podium and responded to the offer by Baertschiger, whom he believed was watching via videostream from afar by saying: Thank you but no thank you."

"All of us are going to be in history one day as the Legislature that failed the fifth short session, Courtney said. This was the fifth short session since even-year 35-day sessions began in 2012.

Republicans had insisted that any climate change legislation go before voters. Democratic leaders say said legislation was urgently needed to address the climate crisis and attempt to reduce emissions in Oregon of greenhouse gases that are causing global warming.

The first GOP walkout over the climate change bill, in 2019, put Oregon on the front line of the climate-change issue. Democrats say repeated use of the tool by the minority party puts democracy itself at risk. Courtney vowed to try to take that ability away.

I will fight as hard as I can to rebuild this institution, but I'm going to make it clear: you're not going to walk out of the Legislature in terms of sessions. You're not, because we are going to have to find a ways, tragically, to have legislations or constitutional amendments that stops it."

Democrats, who wield a supermajority in both the Senate and the House, made reducing greenhouse gas emissions is a priority this session. Enough GOP lawmakers boycotted to prevent a quorum in both chambers. Oregon and only three other states require two-thirds of lawmakers be present instead of a simple majority.

The walkout torpedoed legislation that was sometimes months and even years in the making.

At the press conference, Democratic Rep. Teresa Alonso Leon spoke of legislation that would have sent flood aid to rural eastern Oregon, assisted the homeless, and phased out a carcinogenic pesticide that harms farmworkers. She also spoke of legislation that would have provided her hometown of Woodburn, which is primarily Latino, a community center for the first time.

That can't happen because our colleagues choose not to come to work, Alonso Leon said.

Rep. Tawna Sanchez, a Native American from Portland, said: "I'm trying really, really hard not to be angry. It's very frustrating when you know all the bills, all the different things that are sitting there waiting to just go away.

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solosnake
03/06/20 10:45:21 AM
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Seems like this is a weekly occurrence in Oregon at this point.

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E32005
03/06/20 11:05:24 AM
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emergency elections

get em the fuck out

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ElatedVenusaur
03/06/20 11:05:57 AM
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solosnake posted...
Seems like this is a weekly occurrence in Oregon at this point.
And the Dems just throw up their hands and give up, because that's what they do.
It's disgusting.
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NinjaWarrior455
03/06/20 11:06:04 AM
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The GOP are terrorists and need to be dealt with

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Solid Sonic
03/06/20 11:06:43 AM
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Do you want climate change denial to be moddable?

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Waluigi7
03/06/20 11:13:00 AM
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Solid Sonic posted...
Do you want climate change denial to be moddable?
Who wouldn't?

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glitteringfairy
03/06/20 11:21:48 AM
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Absolute fucking unit

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sylverlolol
03/06/20 11:27:46 AM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Fuck Republicans, the whole fucking party is a bunch of crybaby fuckwads
Yep. I've had to block a couple republican family members on facebook because all they do is whine and complain about liberal this, liberal that...constantly whining about wanting to move from California to Texas (yet they never do), yadda yadda.

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creativerealms
03/06/20 11:28:55 AM
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Man caused climate change doesn't care about party lines.

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thronedfire2
03/06/20 11:29:24 AM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
And the Dems just throw up their hands and give up, because that's what they do.
It's disgusting.

They literally cant do their jobs if the republican counterparts refuse to participate

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Questionmarktarius
03/06/20 11:30:01 AM
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Text of bill:
https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2020R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB1530/B-Engrossed

Interesting that there appears to be a carveout for some natural gas customers (section 17).
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MeltyAlert
03/06/20 11:30:04 AM
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lots of melties in here

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Questionmarktarius
03/06/20 11:32:08 AM
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Solid Sonic posted...
Do you want climate change denial to be moddable?
The great risk here, is the inevitability that "climate change is a lie!" and "climate change is not worth gutting liberty!" will be considered identical.
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glitteringfairy
03/06/20 11:35:28 AM
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thronedfire2 posted...
They literally cant do their jobs if the republican counterparts refuse to participate
Why not just impeach them if they aren't getting their way?

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UnholyMudcrab
03/06/20 11:36:29 AM
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The Republican Party does not deserve to continue its existence
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Tmaster148
03/06/20 11:36:46 AM
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MeltyAlert posted...
lots of melties in here

Caution is really upset by people angered by climate change denial.

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Antifar
03/06/20 11:36:58 AM
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glitteringfairy posted...

Why not just impeach them if they aren't getting their way?

An impeachment trial would probably also require the same quorom of legislators to attend.
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glitteringfairy
03/06/20 11:40:45 AM
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Antifar posted...
An impeachment trial would probably also require the same quorom of legislators to attend.
Dems impeached Trump over a nothingburger, surely they can find a way to remove lowly opposition like this

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EmbraceOfDeath
03/06/20 11:43:42 AM
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Elected officials who refuse to do their job should be fired and jailed. If you walk out on any other job, you will lose your job, so why don't the rules apply for people in the positions where this is most damaging?

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glitteringfairy
03/06/20 11:44:41 AM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
Elected officials who refuse to do their job should be fired and jailed. If you walk out on any other job, you will lose your job, so why don't the rules apply for people in the positions where this is most damaging?
This. IMPEACH EVERY REPUBLICAN!!

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Bio1590
03/06/20 11:45:52 AM
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Tmaster148 posted...


Caution is really upset by people angered by climate change denial.

Is the going assumption that that account is his?
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Tmaster148
03/06/20 11:47:29 AM
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Bio1590 posted...
Is the going assumption that that account is his?

He posted in his discord that this account was his. So it's not an assumption when he admitted it.

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DeadBankerDream
03/06/20 11:49:35 AM
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Which one is caution?
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Bio1590
03/06/20 12:42:30 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...


He posted in his discord that this account was his. So it's not an assumption when he admitted it.

looooooooooooooooooooooool god that's embarrassing, especially after the public display he made about closing his 998 account.
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BalanceLost
03/06/20 12:47:50 PM
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glitteringfairy posted...
This. IMPEACH EVERY REPUBLICAN!!
Im not American but why are you such an embarrassing manchild?

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Balrog0
03/06/20 12:55:07 PM
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can the legislature not just convene without them?

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Questionmarktarius
03/06/20 1:00:33 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
can the legislature not just convene without them?
Depends on whether or not that screws up the quorum.
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ElatedVenusaur
03/06/20 1:08:36 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
can the legislature not just convene without them?
They apparently need a quorom of 66%.
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Axiom
03/06/20 1:12:18 PM
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NinjaWarrior455 posted...
The GOP are terrorists and need to be dealt with
They've actually done more damage to this country than any terrorist ever could
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Balrog0
03/06/20 1:12:58 PM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
They apparently need a quorom of 66%.

well, you know, I guess I think that's a good rule despite it being abused?

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Bio1590
03/06/20 1:16:28 PM
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Both the Democrats and the State Police have the power to force them to return to the Capitol but neither of them are doing anything of substance to get it done.
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Antifar
03/06/20 1:19:44 PM
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Balrog0 posted...


well, you know, I guess I think that's a good rule despite it being abused?

FWIW, most states set quorum at 50 percent
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Bio1590
03/06/20 1:20:35 PM
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Balrog0 posted...


well, you know, I guess I think that's a good rule despite it being abused?

Is there a good reason to have the supermajority requirement differ from the quorum requirement though? Or even have a quorum requirement above 50%?

Looking at this old article from last year they're one of only 4 states (Tennessee, Indiana, and Texas are the others) that have a 2/3rds quorum requirement, and of course it's always been abused.
https://www.businessinsider.com/oregon-democrats-have-supermajority-but-learned-its-limits-2019-7

Only three other states have rules requiring two-thirds of lawmakers be present to vote on legislation, and those in the minority party have used them though rarely to combat proposals they want to defeat.

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The23rdMagus
03/06/20 1:48:22 PM
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If they're not going to show up to do their job because they're on the losing side, tender their resignations.

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Balrog0
03/06/20 1:54:48 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
Is there a good reason to have the supermajority requirement differ from the quorum requirement though?

no that part is definitely weird

in my state you need 50% for a quorum and 75% to pass a budget bill, I've definitely seen the 50% threshold abused as well but idk, I just havent given it a lot of thought tbh

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sylverlolol
03/06/20 5:36:48 PM
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so which account is Caution again

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E32005
03/06/20 5:57:45 PM
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sylverlolol posted...
so which account is Caution again

whichever one is melting down
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Machete
03/06/20 6:06:19 PM
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E32005 posted...
whichever one is melting down

looks like he got modded

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Phantom_Nook
03/06/20 6:08:49 PM
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sylverlolol posted...
so which account is Caution again

MeltyAlert
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Solar_Crimson
03/06/20 6:17:34 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
He posted in his discord that this account was his. So it's not an assumption when he admitted it.
lmao What a simp.

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DeadBankerDream
03/06/20 9:14:15 PM
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Ah, it makes perfect sense for MeltyAlert to be caution. His username is actually announcing his presence.
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E32005
03/06/20 9:17:03 PM
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Phantom_Nook posted...


@MeltyAlert

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TaiIs82
03/06/20 9:24:21 PM
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Whoever wrote the quorum rules in Oregon was very smart. They were meant for a day like this.

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Bio1590
03/06/20 9:47:04 PM
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TaiIs82 posted...
Whoever wrote the quorum rules in Oregon was very smart. They were meant for a day like this.

I'm sure you also agree with the Democrats employing a similar strategy in the past in Texas, Tennessee, and Indiana then, correct?
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E32005
03/06/20 9:47:48 PM
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Bio1590 posted...


I'm sure you also agree with the Democrats employing a similar strategy in the past in Texas, Tennessee, and Indiana then, correct?

dont even bother with tails

the dude creates subreddits to cry about mods
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Bio1590
03/06/20 9:54:19 PM
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I'm just curious.

This isn't even completely about the quorum issue anyways, Oregon's GOP has been openly associating with right-wing militias and there have even been credible enough threats from these militias that the Capitol was closed last summer.
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E32005
03/06/20 9:55:10 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
I'm just curious.

This isn't even completely about the quorum issue anyways, Oregon's GOP has been openly associating with right-wing militias and there have even been credible enough threats from these militias that the Capitol was closed last summer.

white supremacy, sadly, has been massive in oregon for almost a century.

portland itself was known as a nazi haven for years before the progressive good people moved in and ran them to the fringes
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