Poll of the Day > We created 5 million jobs this year!

(+) Yeah! (+)

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It ok. Well get rid of then soon with automation takes over and we start to serve our robot overlords...
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LinkPizza posted...

It ok. Well get rid of then soon with automation takes over and we start to serve our robot overlords...

The robot overlords who drive living costs down to a nominal fee.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

The robot overlords who drive living costs down to a nominal fee.

Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know if they'll create the robots with or without emotion. And how fast prices will change...
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The economy is doing great! We acquired 5 million new serfs!

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part time job with some pay is better than no job with no pay.
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

part time job with some pay is better than no job with no pay.

Weirdly incorrect (depending on your definition of "better"). According to current cost of living prices you actually lose less money by not working and eschewing car+insurance. Now, you might wonder how "any" income can be less than "no" income... well, I made a topic about it.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/78453156

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Lokarin posted...

Weirdly incorrect (depending on your definition of "better"). According to current cost of living prices you actually lose less money by not working and eschewing car+insurance. Now, you might wonder how "any" income can be less than "no" income... well, I made a topic about it.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/78453156

your paid the wage that your job is worth if you don't like it then quit, thank you

CharlesBronson posted...

your paid the wage that your job is worth if you don't like it then quit, thank you

The inability to acquire the humblest of housing, and commodities with any job is the opposite of what life use to be like. So what happened to Make America Great Again?

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HornedLion posted...

The inability to acquire the humblest of housing, and commodities with any job is the opposite of what life use to be like. So what happened to Make America Great Again?

He never said "Make America Great Again." It was always "Make America Grate Again" and people just misinterpreted it. In that regard he has fulfilled his promise exceptionally.

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Shadowbird_RH posted...

He never said "Make America Great Again." It was always "Make America Grate Again" and people just misinterpreted it. In that regard he has fulfilled his promise exceptionally.

well damn we owe him an apology

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Another fine troll topic!

HornedLion posted...

The inability to acquire the humblest of housing, and commodities with any job is the opposite of what life use to be like. So what happened to Make America Great Again?

In short, KBE doesn't believe poverty was a thing until now... or, in other words, no conception of history.

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CharlesBronson posted...

your paid the wage that your job is worth if you don't like it then quit, thank you

I agree with the basic premise of this statement, but that doesn't really help the person. Now they're stuck with no job. And it's not like you can just go anywhere and magically get one. Not to mention the time between jobs. And if not like you're always going to find a higher pay... It's easy to say quit and works somewhere else, but harder in practice...
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LinkPizza posted...

Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know if they'll create the robots with or without emotion. And how fast prices will change...

No emotion. But not without needing servicing and automatic disabling if theyre smart.

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zebatov posted...

No emotion. But not without needing servicing and automatic disabling if theyre smart.

I mean, they will have to fix themselves, because lots of human will probably die from the elements if they can't pay for housing for long enough...
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CharlesBronson posted...

your paid the wage that your job is worth if you don't like it then quit, thank you

If everyone was paid what they were worth, then companies would not be able to generate profit. That you think otherwise would suggest that you don't understand even the most basic ways the economy functions.

You MUST be paid less than what your work is worth in order for whatever higher-ups you work for to profit. Ergo, so long as you live in a system in which the profit you generate is funneled to other people, you will NEVER be paid what your work is worth.

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if people dont want to bootstrap themselves better wages then yes they deserve to be homeless and not have food

-conservatives, probably

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HornedLion posted...

HornedLion posted...

America has been creating jobs for a long time but the thing is they are mostly low pay labor intensive jobs that do not pay enough to sustain anyone.
The US began sending jobs offshore in the mid 1970s when the Corporate Coup D'Etat began and it's been that way ever since. Everything working-class people had gained from the end of WW2 until the 1970s, has been lost.

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LinkPizza posted...

Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know if they'll create the robots with or without emotion. And how fast prices will change...

People would only want emotion on their sexbots.

Shadowbird_RH posted...

He never said "Make America Great Again." It was always "Make America Grate Again" and people just misinterpreted it. In that regard he has fulfilled his promise exceptionally.

What kind of cheese is Trump grating?
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LinkPizza posted...

I agree with the basic premise of this statement, but that doesn't really help the person. Now they're stuck with no job. And it's not like you can just go anywhere and magically get one. Not to mention the time between jobs. And if not like you're always going to find a higher pay... It's easy to say quit and works somewhere else, but harder in practice...

...but you can go somewhere else to get a job.

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Zeus posted...

...but you can go somewhere else to get a job.

True... And literally doesn't change anything I said...
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I'm not sure what OP's pic is saying. Is economic growth bad because there are grown adults who never developed skills that qualify them for more than minimum wage jobs?

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Rasmoh posted...

I'm not sure what OP's pic is saying. Is economic growth bad because there are grown adults who never developed skills that qualify them for more than minimum wage jobs?

get a life you come on here and shit on minimum wage employees you can have a master's degree and master your craft but you can't force someone to hire you you might still have to work minimum wage just because you blew an interview because your handshake was clammy so they gave the job to someone else because that someone else didn't want to work minimum wage either, thanks

Rasmoh posted...

I'm not sure what OP's pic is saying. Is economic growth bad because there are grown adults who never developed skills that qualify them for more than minimum wage jobs?

get outta here with your bootstraps

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LinkPizza posted...

True... And literally doesn't change anything I said...

But you said was just silly. You should expect to find a job if you just showed up in Antarctica? No, of course not. That's an unrealistic expectation. However, there's little issue finding work if you maintain manageable expectations.

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Zeus posted...

But you said was just silly. You should expect to find a job if you just showed up in Antarctica? No, of course not. That's an unrealistic expectation. However, there's little issue finding work if you maintain manageable expectations.

What are you talking about? You going senile? You are a couple thousand years old, yeah. When did I say anything like that? I said, you cant just get a job like that. And that it will be higher. CharlesBronson said, your paid the wage that your job is worth if you don't like it then quit, thank you. I said I agree with the premise, but it doesnt automatically help that person. They still need a job. And you cant always find one. And if you can, the pay might not be better. Which leads back to the OP where that women has to work three minimum jobs to make ends meet. And jobs arent always as plentiful. Especially ones where you only have to work 1 job. If they were, then maybe 85% of the US would be living paycheck to paycheck, even when a lot are working multiple jobs... Finding work is only 1 of the issues. Finding work that pays a good amount, which was the issue, is another. I think working one job to pay for all your bills is a manageable expectation. At least, it use to be...
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LinkPizza posted...

What are you talking about? You going senile? You are a couple thousand years old, yeah. When did I say anything like that? I said, you cant just get a job like that. And that it will be higher. CharlesBronson said, your paid the wage that your job is worth if you don't like it then quit, thank you. I said I agree with the premise, but it doesnt automatically help that person. They still need a job. And you cant always find one. And if you can, the pay might not be better. Which leads back to the OP where that women has to work three minimum jobs to make ends meet. And jobs arent always as plentiful. Especially ones where you only have to work 1 job. If they were, then maybe 85% of the US would be living paycheck to paycheck, even when a lot are working multiple jobs... Finding work is only 1 of the issues. Finding work that pays a good amount, which was the issue, is another. I think working one job to pay for all your bills is a manageable expectation. At least, it use to be...

You suggested that people should be able to find jobs wherever they want, but that's not realistic. I'm saying if you can't find jobs one place, go somewhere else. Don't wait for a tech boom in Appalachia, instead go to Boston or, if you're particularly ambitious, Seattle. And finding a job to pay your bills is a VERY manageable expectation, but you can't expect to find a great job in places without any great jobs. Don't expect to move to Antarctica and just find a job, or that a job will just magically fall into your lap.

I mean it, Link. Don't move to Antarctica.

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CharlesBronson posted...

get a life you come on here and shit on minimum wage employees you can have a master's degree and master your craft but you can't force someone to hire you you might still have to work minimum wage just because you blew an interview because your handshake was clammy so they gave the job to someone else because that someone else didn't want to work minimum wage either, thanks

As much as I'm sure there's a rather sizeable cross-section of people with Master's degrees and people who work for minimum wage, generally speaking having better skills is going to result in you having a better job.

TheWitchMorgana posted...

get outta here with your bootstraps

It's a sad state of affairs when expecting adults to develop skills beyond those required by a minimum wage employee is decried as "bootstraps".

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Zeus posted...

You suggested that people should be able to find jobs wherever they want, but that's not realistic. I'm saying if you can't find jobs one place, go somewhere else. Don't wait for a tech boom in Appalachia, instead go to Boston or, if you're particularly ambitious, Seattle. And finding a job to pay your bills is a VERY manageable expectation, but you can't expect to find a great job in places without any great jobs. Don't expect to move to Antarctica and just find a job, or that a job will just magically fall into your lap.

I mean it, Link. Don't move to Antarctica.

Only complete morons move somewhere before even getting a job.
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CharlesBronson posted...

your paid the wage that your job is worth if you don't like it then quit, thank you

lol this kinda shit is hilarious

"Can't pay bills with the job you have? Just quit and have no job to pay them!"

It's sad because it's not a joke, these people really are that out of touch.

Zeus posted...

You suggested that people should be able to find jobs wherever they want, but that's not realistic. I'm saying if you can't find jobs one place, go somewhere else. Don't wait for a tech boom in Appalachia, instead go to Boston or, if you're particularly ambitious, Seattle. And finding a job to pay your bills is a VERY manageable expectation, but you can't expect to find a great job in places without any great jobs. Don't expect to move to Antarctica and just find a job, or that a job will just magically fall into your lap.

I mean it, Link. Don't move to Antarctica.

You cant always do that. Im not even living paycheck to paycheck anymore, but it would still be hard for me to move without any assistance, or without saving for a while. Because moving does cost money. Not to mention, if you do move, youll need somewhere to stay. So, in that case, why do you think someone who needs three jobs to love can just pick up an move. And even then, you still expect jobs that pay well to just magically appear. Moving doesnt mean there Weill be jobs. Theres only a chance still. And in the end, who say that job will be more. And even if it does pay more, it doesnt mean much if the cost of living is higher, as well.

Also, why the fuck so you keep bringing up Antarctica like thats a reasonable place to live? Also, most people who live Antarctica are probably scientist who have jobs there, tbh. Also, it makes no sense. In one of my post, I literally said, And it's not like you can just go anywhere and magically get one. That anywhere would most likely include Antarctica...

And like Revelation34 said, it can be stupid at times to just move somewhere before you even get a job...
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Revelation34 posted...

Only complete morons move somewhere before even getting a job.

1) You can get a job before you arrive there. A lot of jobs now have a remote application process where you can get a job offer before visiting that workplace

2) If you're out of work in one place, what difference does it make if you're out of work when you move to a place with better opportunity where you could actually find a job?

BlackScythe0 posted...

lol this kinda shit is hilarious

"Can't pay bills with the job you have? Just quit and have no job to pay them!"

It's sad because it's not a joke, these people really are that out of touch.

It's sad because you're not joking when that's your takeaway from his statement.

LinkPizza posted...

You cant always do that. Im not even living paycheck to paycheck anymore, but it would still be hard for me to move without any assistance, or without saving for a while. Because moving does cost money.

All I'm hearing is excuses. And if you think you can't move, ask yourself what's really holding you back. Do you own too much stuff? Do you lack the courage to make a change in your life?

And if you think it's hard to change now, do you think it's going to be any easier if you someday have a wife and kids? You're a young bachelor, this is the freest time in your life. This is the best time to make a change.

LinkPizza posted...

So, in that case, why do you think someone who needs three jobs to love can just pick up an move. And even then, you still expect jobs that pay well to just magically appear. Moving doesnt mean there Weill be jobs. Theres only a chance still. And in the end, who say that job will be more. And even if it does pay more, it doesnt mean much if the cost of living is higher, as well.

Because the CoL is lower in other places and the opportunity is higher. Or in other cases, the opportunity vastly exceeds the somewhat increased CoL.

LinkPizza posted...

Also, why the fuck so you keep bringing up Antarctica like thats a reasonable place to live? Also, most people who live Antarctica are probably scientist who have jobs there, tbh. Also, it makes no sense. In one of my post, I literally said, And it's not like you can just go anywhere and magically get one. That anywhere would most likely include Antarctica...

Because you think that markets should bend to the will of job candidates rather than the other way around.

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Rasmoh posted...

expecting adults to develop skills

locked behind a 100k paywall :(

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This is a weird topic.

Do y'all know that it's cheaper to house a homeless person than provide the services in place of it? An effective government can be good in that way.

Some of you people are asking for mean things to happen to you. You're pretty heartless.

Some people are misled about college, usually told paying these universities a boat load of money is a guaranteed investment in yourself. Then they get jobs that run them broke and stressed, like teaching, and have to get a different job that may start or stay at minimum wage. Now they have debt.

We're in the 21st century in a first world country where working hard doesn't guarantee anything. That's nothing to be proud of.

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pedro45 posted...

This is a weird topic.

Do y'all know that it's cheaper to house a homeless person than provide the services in place of it? An effective government can be good in that way.

Some of you people are asking for mean things to happen to you. You're pretty heartless.

Some people are misled about college, usually told paying these universities a boat load of money is a guaranteed investment in yourself. Then they get jobs that run them broke and stressed, like teaching, and have to get a different job that may start or stay at minimum wage. Now they have debt.

We're in the 21st century in a first world country where working hard doesn't guarantee anything. That's nothing to be proud of.

no dude teach yourself a skill and all of your problems will magically work themselves out.

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

no dude teach yourself a skill and all of your problems will magically work themselves out.

Reminds me of the memes about places wanting more experience from new hires but the only way for them to gain that experience would be for them to be hired.

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pedro45 posted...

Reminds me of the memes about places wanting more experience from new hires but the only way for them to gain that experience would be for them to be hired.

It's a meme because that doesn't actually happen.
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Revelation34 posted...

It's a meme because that doesn't actually happen.

? I definitely struggled with that when getting my first job

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Revelation34 posted...

It's a meme because that doesn't actually happen.

I've got like a dozen retailers from my past at least that disagree with you.

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pedro45 posted...

Do y'all know that it's cheaper to house a homeless person than provide the services in place of it?

...housing a homeless person is providing services.

pedro45 posted...

We're in the 21st century in a first world country where working hard doesn't guarantee anything. That's nothing to be proud of.

https://i.imgur.com/k1jtoNR.png

Overlooking that working hard by itself has never been a guarantee of success (nor should it be), many people in those positions are in those positions because they DON'T work hard, generally believe that they work a lot harder than they actually do, and resent people who work harder than them.

Revelation34 posted...

It's a meme because that doesn't actually happen.

Outside of tech anyway. For tech, you have Visa scams where companies list that they're looking for candidates with more experience using a software than the software has been on the market so they're allowed to hire at a lower wage and lock them into a guaranteed contract in which the employee could be deported if he leaves the job.


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I'm talking about the affordability of sectioned housing versus the services that just feed them or locations that are just for during the day, etc.

A lot of people are ignorant as to what the government spends on homeless services versus housing them. It's cheaper to house them than have them on the street.

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Zeus posted...

All I'm hearing is excuses. And if you think you can't move, ask yourself what's really holding you back. Do you own too much stuff? Do you lack the courage to make a change in your life?

And if you think it's hard to change now, do you think it's going to be any easier if you someday have a wife and kids? You're a young bachelor, this is the freest time in your life. This is the best time to make a change.

If all you want to hear is excuses, whatever. But the thing holding me back is literally money. Moving in expensive when lots of places want a certain amount of money for deposits, and however many months rent, and stuff like that. That is literally whats holding me back. Not to mention that someone who is worki multiple jobs would have to take some time off somewhere to get packed up and everything...

And it could be the same, easier, or harder depending on your family. But no matter what, its going to cost money. And its not something just anyone can do. And it can put many people in a worse spot than theyre already in...

Zeus posted...

Because the CoL is lower in other places and the opportunity is higher. Or in other cases, the opportunity vastly exceeds the somewhat increased CoL.

Thats if they can find the job. But the problem is people cant always estimate the full CoL. Like, they like that the job pays more than their other job. And based on the prices of houses, it seems like itll work. But they forgot to also take into account that all the bills will also be higher, and even the price of certain foods and drink, as well. Especially if its a place where a good number of things arent local, and they have to source it from somewhere else.

And in the end, thats if they move to somewhere where the CoL is lower. And even then, who says that the jobs there are available? Or that the opportunities are actually better? They could be much worse...

Zeus posted...

Because you think that markets should bend to the will of job candidates rather than the other way around.

No. I just think people should be able to get jobs. Its reasonable to think that people should be able to live with one job rather than being forced to work multiple jobs just to make ends meet, and still have nothing left over because all the jobs pay them like shit... And that still doesnt explain Antarctica. Because you still seem to act like thats a reasonable place to live for most people... Or why you thought I was saying people should go there to get jobs, when I literally said that they couldnt just go anywhere and get one...
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Revelation34 posted...

It's a meme because that doesn't actually happen.

It happens. Not everywhere, and not all the time, but it happens. Happened to a lot of my friends, actually. I got lucky because I was offered a seasonal job, which got me some experience. But many of my friends struggled because of no experience. And even with my experience, I could only do like retail stuff. Nothing with food or anything like being a waiter or host at the time...
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

? I definitely struggled with that when getting my first job

It's an excuse they make up since they already pulled a nepotism.

Zeus posted...

Outside of tech anyway.For tech, you have Visa scams where companies list that they're looking for candidates with more experience using a software than the software has been on the market so they're allowed to hire at a lower wage and lock them into a guaranteed contract in which the employee could be deported if he leaves the job.

How can they deport an Indian from India?
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This is honestly a Trudeau meme. Except hes lost hundreds of thousands of jobs.

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From March 2014 through February 2015, the American job market improved in ways few thought possible. Over that 12 month stretch, the overall U.S. economy added over 3.2 million jobs and the nations unemployment rate dropped from 6.6% to 5.5%. It was a hot streak unlike anything Americans have seen since the jobs boom of the Clinton era.

If you check with the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and take a look at the monthly job totals from 1983, youll see something interesting: the U.S. economy, the data shows, lost over 300,000 jobs in August 1983, only to then add over 1 million jobs literally the next month, in September 1983. If something about this sounds fishy to you, trust your instincts.

So, sadly for the Reagan zealots, President Reagan, his economy, his tax cuts, his supply-side economics, etc., etc., never produced one million jobs in one month, or anything close to it. It was a simple matter of striking communications workers dinging the payroll numbers one month and, upon their return, goosing them the next. Nothing more, nothing less. Could not be more straightforward.

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All these successful economists on POTD.

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You get more jobs when you loosen regulations, they're just not jobs we strictly consider ethical.
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BUMPED2002 posted...

From March 2014 through February 2015, the American job market improved in ways few thought possible. Over that 12 month stretch, the overall U.S. economy added over 3.2 million jobs and the nations unemployment rate dropped from 6.6% to 5.5%. It was a hot streak unlike anything Americans have seen since the jobs boom of the Clinton era.

If you check with the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and take a look at the monthly job totals from 1983, youll see something interesting: the U.S. economy, the data shows, lost over 300,000 jobs in August 1983, only to then add over 1 million jobs literally the next month, in September 1983. If something about this sounds fishy to you, trust your instincts.

I smell a conspiracy.
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