Current Events > Democratic Primary #7

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Who you rooting for now?

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bernie or bust :^)

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If Bloomberg had not entered the race, Biden likely has the math in his favor already.

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it pretty much is over

biden has gotten more endorsements today than bernie has gotten in november, december, january, february and march combined

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listen here, jack
how do i open pdf

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Balrog0 posted...

it pretty much is over

biden has gotten more endorsements today than bernie has gotten in november, december, january, february and march combined

You got to love that the "electable" candidate is somehow always the one that won't cause trouble for entrenched interests.

On a related topic: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/its-time-for-democrats-to-start-thinking-about-the-future.html
Who would have guessed that a bunch of sexa- and septuagenarians may not be prioritizing the future of the party. So weird, it's almost like they won't be around for it and that they are blindly invested in maintaining their institutional power!
Yes, I'm salty, thank you for noticing.

I wonder if Bernie stays healthy and doesn't get it if he'll try again at 82 <_<

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ElatedVenusaur posted...

You got to love that the "electable" candidate is somehow always the one that won't cause trouble for entrenched interests.

On a related topic: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/its-time-for-democrats-to-start-thinking-about-the-future.html
Who would have guessed that a bunch of sexa- and septuagenarians may not be prioritizing the future of the party. So weird, it's almost like they won't be around for it and that they are blindly invested in maintaining their institutional power!
Yes, I'm salty, thank you for noticing.

yeah I mean I agree with you although I think the article is pretty optimistic


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wackyteen posted...

I wonder if Bernie stays healthy and doesn't get it if he'll try again at 82 <_<

I doubt it. I don't think he can carry this banner past this.

Balrog0 posted...
yeah I mean I agree with you although I think the article is pretty optimistic

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I'm just angry, in general.

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1236027606811754496

Glad he's doing this tbh
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I mean it's fair

If the DNC wants to hold Bernie responsible for what his surrogates/supporters do, then Biden needs to be held responsible too.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1236027606811754496

Glad he's doing this tbh

eh, I don't think this angle is useful but he needs to go negative on Joe so I dont hate it

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Democrats clearly don't care if they win or not, so he should just go out as a beloved bomb thrower. AOC will likely inherit his apparatus next time (she is 35 by 2025 right?).

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I don't care. I just want dickless donald to fuck off.

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I hope the next debate is ugly enough that everyone sees how Biden would fare against Trump.

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Machete posted...

I don't care. I just want dickless donald to fuck off.

what is it you look for in a candidate?

wackyteen posted...

I wonder if Bernie stays healthy and doesn't get it if he'll try again at 82 <_<

I cant see him trying again. If he lost twice, what makes him he can win this time around? I know Biden lost twice too before this go around but Biden has the support of the establishment and he didnt run in consecutive elections. He was also a Vice President which must hold a bit more weight

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nah this is it for bernie. if he loses this, and he probably will, all you can really hope for is that he inspires futures candidates

I can definitively say, at least for me, that I'm done with people like warren. pretty much most of the candidates in this race tainted themselves in my eyes with the kind of shit they pulled. they'll never have my support in future elections. there's a few like yang that stayed clean tho

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Smashingpmkns posted...

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1236027606811754496

This is so sad lol. The fact that he thinks this will help him with black voters is a good example of why he does so bad with black voters.

Bernie needs to bow out gracefully this time. Democrats are going to have to deal with the problems he's created for a really long time.

what problems has bernie created?

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https://twitter.com/jackallisonLOL/status/1235969690016444416

Anti Semite Joe Biden

Also, he didn't have a 'stutter' 6 years ago. Weird!
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

This is so sad lol. The fact that he thinks this will help him with black voters is a good example of why he does so bad with black voters.

Bernie needs to bow out gracefully this time. Democrats are going to have to deal with the problems he's created for a really long time.

im glad the Democrats will have to deal with the fallout of Bernie calling them out and people listening

its time for change

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Balrog0 posted...

what problems has bernie created?

Bernie brought Trumpism into the democratic party, thinking it would get him the nomination. Luckily the Democrats still have moderates unlike the GOP so that didn't happen.

But still, he's galvanized a pretty significant group of low-information voters who trust individuals over institutions, reject compromise or any kind of incremental change and happily devote a large amount of their time to spreading disinformation online.

Godnorgosh posted...

We on the left are just getting started.

ok try not to follow me around in topics bragging about your candidates inevitable win this time though

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Bernie brought Trumpism into the democratic party, thinking it would get him the nomination. Luckily the Democrats still have moderates unlike the GOP so that didn't happen.

what the hell is 'Trumpism'? and how did Bernie bring it into the party?

Broseph_Stalin posted...

But still, he's galvanized a pretty significant group of low-information voters who trust individuals over institutions, reject compromise or any kind of incremental change and happily devote a large amount of their time to spreading disinformation online.

sounds like the general public to me?

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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/06/warren-team-wonders-how-they-blew-it-122628
A bunch of ex-Warren staffers have let loose in Politico: take it with a grain of salt, of course.

Some major factors staffers cited:

-Not coming out with a healthcare plan sooner and trying to have it both ways
-No internal pollster
-Trying to soften Warren instead of emphasizing her as a fighter
-Not going negative sooner(lol)
-Trying to position herself between progressives and moderates to appeal to both but ending up their 2nd-choice at best

Balrog0 posted...

what the hell is 'Trumpism'?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

Balrog0 posted...

and how did Bernie bring it into the party?

Broseph_Stalin posted...

he's galvanized a pretty significant group of low-information voters who trust individuals over institutions, reject compromise or any kind of incremental change and happily devote a large amount of their time to spreading disinformation online.

Godnorgosh posted...

How's Bloomberg doing these days buddy

What happened to "glass joe"

Nah how about you just explain it to me in your own words?

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Broseph_Stalin posted...
he's galvanized a pretty significant group of low-information voters who trust individuals over institutions, reject compromise or any kind of incremental change and happily devote a large amount of their time to spreading disinformation online.

Balrog0 posted...

sounds like the general public to me?

are you just mad that people care about things or what?

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A definition of "Trumpism" that conveniently excludes all policy goals so that it can be applied to a candidate whose platform includes abolishing ICE doesn't seem like a particularly useful framework for understanding Trump or the current moment.
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Bernie literally bumped me like we're in a gamefaqs topic

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Balrog0 posted...

are you just mad that people care about things or what?

I don't think you understand the average voter if you think what I said applies to them.

Antifar posted...

A definition of "Trumpism" that conveniently excludes all policy goals

We can talk about Trump and Bernies similarities on trade and immigration, if you want.

ElatedVenusaur posted...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/06/warren-team-wonders-how-they-blew-it-122628
A bunch of ex-Warren staffers have let loose in Politico: take it with a grain of salt, of course.

Some major factors staffers cited:

-Not coming out with a healthcare plan sooner and trying to have it both ways
-No internal pollster
-Trying to soften Warren instead of emphasizing her as a fighter
-Not going negative sooner(lol)
-Trying to position herself between progressives and moderates to appeal to both but ending up their 2nd-choice at best

I tend to agree with those points, especially the third and fifth. Her decline in the polls coincided almost directly with her waffling on Medicare For All, though, so I feel like thats gotta be the biggest reason.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

I don't think you understand the average voter if you think what I said applies to them.

if you think the average voter is anything but low information you're crazy

and voters who say they want compromise don't

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-01-17/do-voters-really-want-compromise

not sure how to quantify incrementalism (many bernie supporters would argue he is an incremental step towards what they want! and Biden's platform is incremental only if you assume there's a greater end goal, which I'm not sure there is!)

but yeah, c'mon dude, you know this is true about average people

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I would have a lot of respect for you if you just admitted you thought average people shouldn't be making policy (like that article I just linked to does). there's plenty of evidence to support the idea that party elites can run things better than the mob. but you can't act like Bernie is bad because he's making average people engage unless you're gonna bite that bullet

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MrToothHasYou posted...

Her decline in the polls coincided almost directly with her waffling on Medicare For All, though, so I feel like thats gotta be the biggest reason.

Yeah, people don't like it when things are talked about pragmatically, rather than just stating that it'll magically happen.

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ok dude you're right Biden supporters totally reject moderation, cry RIGGED when he loses a primary and spend most of their time consuming grifter content on youtube and twitter

like how can one person be this delusional?

I don't consume grifter content on youtube

I'm too busy listening to Bernie's album from 1987

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see this is what I mean, this is an example of a low information voter right here

anyone who knows anything about congressional politics would tell you that neither of the plans would ever pass -- some of them are unconstitutional -- and neither will Joe Biden's. What's pragmatic about saying you're going to raise capital gains to pay for an ACA expansion? They like to hammer Bernie about the number of Democrats in the Senate who don't back M4A, why don't they go ask them how many will vote for another top income tax rate and to tax capital gains at the same rate as earned income?

the idea that Bernie is less pragmatic is weird to me because it's trivially easy to imagine any number of ways to raise money, the issue is a political one not a policy one

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

ok dude you're right Biden supporters totally reject moderation, cry RIGGED when he loses a primary and spend most of their time consuming grifter content on youtube and twitter

like how can one person be this delusional?

that's neither what I said, nor what you said lmfao

just be honest and argue in good faith instead of trying to dunk on bernie bros because you're scared of them

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Balrog0 posted...

see this is what I mean, this is an example of a low information voter right here

anyone who knows anything about congressional politics would tell you that neither of the plans would ever pass -- some of them are unconstitutional -- and neither will Joe Biden's. What's pragmatic about saying you're going to raise capital gains to pay for an ACA expansion? They like to hammer Bernie about the number of Democrats in the Senate who don't back M4A, why don't they go ask them how many will vote for another top income tax rate and to tax capital gains at the same rate as earned income?

the idea that Bernie is less pragmatic is weird to me because it's trivially easy to imagine any number of ways to raise money, the issue is a political one not a policy one

So, less detailed policy is better policy for candidates?

Like, i literally don't understand. Warren got hammered because she responded to questions about her policy. I agree that it's better politics to not answer them, but it literally cannot be better policy.

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Dunno why y'all still engage with the
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We should really know by now that it's a waste of time to argue with Broseph on the subject of Sanders.
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https://twitter.com/AlbertBurneko/status/1236019345152761856

This list seems incomplete.

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COVxy posted...

So, less detailed policy is better policy for candidates?

Yeah maybe!

COVxy posted...

Like, i literally don't understand. Warren got hammered because she responded to questions about her policy. I agree that it's better politics to not answer them, but it literally cannot be better policy.

I'm not saying you need to prefer Bernie over Warren (or over Biden, etc). I'm not saying it's better, or worse. I'm asking where the pragmatism is in it, when it's chances of passing are nearly as low -- and then maybe also implying the reason you think its pragmatic is because no one asks these kinds of questions of the other candidates

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