Current Events > But like...why would you vote for Biden?

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Doom_Art posted...

That'd be Bernie actually

yep, I love when Bernie bros try to say this when it makes Bernie look worse

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People just assume Biden is the "safe" pick without any proof whatsoever, democrat primary voters =/= the rest of the electorate. Biden is having serious cognitive decline, he doesn't know where he is or what his is saying half the time, most older voters just watch tv news and don't see this.

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runuts27 posted...

People just assume Biden is the "safe" pick without any proof whatsoever, democrat primary voters =/= the rest of the electorate. Biden is having serious cognitive decline, he doesn't know where he is or what his is saying half the time, most older voters just watch tv news and don't see this.

okay, why is he destroying Bernie then. So far, hes far more electable than Bernie that barely won 50% of the vote in his home state of Vermont?

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

okay, why is he destroying Bernie then. So far, hes far more electable than Bernie that barely won 50% of the vote in his home state of Vermont?

The post you quoted literally answers this question bro

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Doom_Art posted...

Both sidesing in this political climate is completely moronic I'm sorry lol

I mean if you look at ST a ton of people seemed to want to vote for Joe lol

The rest of your post is kinda nonsensical

Do they actually want Joe? Or are they just voting for whoever is running that is the "safe" pick?

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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

Do they actually want Joe? Or are they just voting for whoever is running that is the "safe" pick?

There were other candidates on the ballot

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butthole666 posted...

The post you quoted literally answers this question bro

so you cant convince on how a already proven weaker candidate can somehow beat trump. If bernie runs, we can kiss Florida and Virginia goodbye!

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I learned from all of this that the Democratic party is more GOP than the actual GOP is. The GOP at least endorsed their outsider/bizarre candidate when it was obvious he was their best shot at getting a Rep in the Oval Office.

The Democratic party has not once, but twice enforced the status quo over the overwhelmingly desired candidate.

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the only reason the gop consolidated behind trump is because they knew he could be made to dance on strings, and they knew that relatively early on. dumb idiots that make funny faces and dribble their lips in front of the camera to distract from lobbyists and special interests in the background stuffing their pockets has been the formula of every successful republican politician for the past 40 years, the only stumbling point was them realizing they didnt need to pretend to be presentable while they did it because people will vote for anything if they're deluded/scared/mean enough.

biden isn't a subsuming of voter will anywhere near where the superdelegates were in 2016. the establishment is obviously against him, but democratic politicians are a lot worse at lying about how everything is going to be fine as long as you vote D so there are clear divisions in the party. combine that with super low young voter turnout because the youth vote thing never works and you get super tuesday whether you like it or not

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EverDownward posted...

The Democratic party has not once, but twice enforced the status quo over the overwhelmingly desired candidate.

overwhelmingly desired lol

The other options are Emperor Trump or a dirty commie.

"Why would you vote for Biden, other than the reason you're voting for him?"

Weird topic to make.
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I see a lot of risk and potential downside in Biden, but I suspect that for many voters, Biden represents a return to normalcy (never mind that "normal" wasn't working too great for most Americans 4 years ago). Also, as much as I roll my eyes at the so-called "electability" argument, I have to admit that Biden's Super Tuesday performance finally lent some credibility to it. While Democratic turnout was up across all demographics, Biden's older voters came out in numbers that put my generation to shame.

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Godnorgosh posted...

Oh yeah, and Trump might bring up the fact that Biden wants to cut Social Security and Medicare and has advocated doing so for 40 years...

Edit: Nvm Trump's already doing that, even though he's had similar plans himself

https://imgur.com/Zd2Sdp2

Trump's team were salivating for this, he's already attacking from the left just like with Hillary. Hillary at least had the mental fortitude for it, not that it helped her. What will Biden do, I mean apart from bring up his dead son or Corn Pop.

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Biden has no appeal. People just expect him to channel Obama for some dumb reason.

But in the end, Trump is everything the conservatives want while Biden is nothing liberals want. There are multiple issues that can singlehandedly end Biden. (It's pretty unsettling that him rubbing little girls and sniffing their hair hasn't already ended him..... when did we get so soft on pedophilia?) And Trump will definitely capitalize on them.

"Bernie or bust" isn't a threat. It's literally our only two options.

A vote for Biden in the primary is a vote for Trump.
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Godnorgosh posted...

Oh yeah, and Trump might bring up the fact that Biden wants to cut Social Security and Medicare and has advocated doing so for 40 years...

Edit: Nvm Trump's already doing that, even though he's had similar plans himself

https://imgur.com/Zd2Sdp2

It'll work, too. Last time around he convinced everyone he was an lgbt crusader because he held a flag once. He'll flaunt this and Biden will just call him jack and challenge him to a muscle car race or something instead of just pointing out republicans have been trying to strangle medicare and ss to death forever

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Bestoffuture posted...

ahem.... LIBERAL SUPREME COURT JUDGES

This.

Like last election I considered myself a Bernie supporter but a Hillary voter. This time I'd just be a Biden voter rather than supporter.

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I'm a European so take my opinion with a pinch of salt , but just about every single person I know who follows world politics predicts that Trump would clown Biden when they go head to head, and its simply serving Trump the presidency whilst Bernie at least brings some passion and righteous anger to the table. But I'm pretty sure thats a non-controversial opinion shared by most under-40's


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randomdude360 posted...

I'm a European so take my opinion with a pinch of salt , but just about every single person I know who follows world politics predicts that Trump would clown Biden when they go head to head, and its simply serving Trump the presidency whilst Bernie at least brings some passion and righteous anger to the table. But I'm pretty sure thats a non-controversial opinion shared by most under-40's

That's because you're listening to social media and people yelling

Bernie's supporters are a loud minority but they don't vote.

Why do you think Sanders is losing to Biden in the primaries but yet think he would win against Trump? You're arguing that conservatives would vote Sanders over Trump?

Biden is an established moderate. Tens of millions of people will vote for him.
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Accolon posted...

Literally just because he's not Trump.

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Accolon posted...

Literally just because he's not Trump.

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Accolon posted...

Literally just because he's not Trump.

weak.

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Doom_Art posted...

It's on Bernie to win voters in the party. If he can't do that then why would the party bend to him

This is why I don't give a fuck about their damn party. Nothing will ever change with these parties, so why should I continue to support them? Becuase one isn't Trump? I know Bernie doesn't belong in the party. He isn't and never will be a Democrat. Contrary thought has no place. You have decidedly slow, almost imperceptible change vs slow, backwards motion. And if you're not on board with one of those two ideologies? "Fuck you and your silly ideas. Support who you think is the lesser evil anyway!"

It's less that the party that won't bend to outsiders and more that bending to a party is an absolute requirement to get anywhere in the first place. This is a two party world and the rest of us just live in it.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

That's because you're listening to social media and people yelling

Bernie's supporters are a loud minority but they don't vote.

Why do you think Sanders is losing to Biden in the primaries but yet think he would win against Trump? You're arguing that conservatives would vote Sanders over Trump?

Biden is an established moderate. Tens of millions of people will vote for him.

I guess just because American politics seems a lot more personality-driven from my perspective, where the current meta is brute force tactics. Bernie Sanders is by far the most forceful candidate who stands the most chance of shutting trump down and getting his goals across successfully. Biden seems liable to come across as blustery, fluff his lines and generally feed Trump ammunition.

To use a sporting analogy, sometimes a team will win in the semi's when everyone knows the team they beat were more likely to actually dethrone the champs, for stylistic reasons.

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hockeybub89 posted...

You have decidedly slow, almost imperceptible change vs slow, backwards motion. And if you're not on board with one of those two ideologies? "Fuck you and your silly ideas. Support who you think is the lesser evil anyway!"

Do you think the Republican party of 1976 would've produced Trump?

No. The party has been gradually transformed over the last 40 years into the thing it is today.

You want politicians like Bernie in the Democratic Party then support em when they come up. Keep electing progressives in the party and you'll keep seeing things shift.

Selecting a nominee for president isn't the only way to influence a party. You just saw a new crop of progressives elected in 2018

hockeybub89 posted...

that bending to a party is an absolute requirement to get anywhere in the first place.

not to sound like a boomer but this is really an attitude I see all too common in my age group and it's a bit pathetic

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I agree that Bernie could have done a better job of reaching out to older more moderate democrats, he doesn't even need to change his policies just the way he talks, but I think he's too old or not skilled enough to make that change.

This doesn't change the fact that Biden is a terrible candidate who is just coasting on being Obama's VP and being the default moderate choice. Him winning black voters by a ridiculous margin in southern states is what is carrying him so far, that doesn't mean anything in the general election.

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randomdude360 posted...

I guess just because American politics seems a lot more personality-driven from my perspective, where the current meta is brute force tactics. Bernie Sanders is by far the most forceful candidate who stands the most chance of shutting trump down and getting his goals across successfully. Biden seems liable to come across as blustery, fluff his lines and generally feed Trump ammunition.

To use a sporting analogy, sometimes a team will win in the semi's when everyone knows the team they beat were more likely to actually dethrone the champs, for stylistic reasons.

in sport you dont win or lose based on audience votes
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