Poll of the Day > Hypothetical What If: Romney enters the race as an independent

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Judgmenl 03/17/20 12:47:39 PM #1:	His platform: Healthcare Reform (Make it more like what he did in Massachusetts as Governor) UBI Only Republican to vote to Impeach Trump He'd steal the election from Biden and Trump. --- You're a regular Jack Kerouac I'm a Senior Software Engineer. No I don't write TPS reports, this isn't Office Space. <cite>Judgmenl posted [p:935799051] in Hypothetic... [t:78479884]...</cite> <quote>His platform: Healthcare Reform (Make it more like what he did in Massachusetts as Governor)UBIOnly Republican to vote to Impeach TrumpHe'd steal the election from Biden and Trump. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Archgoat 03/17/20 12:54:11 PM #2:	He would lose as an independent. <cite>Archgoat posted [p:935799318] in Hypothetic... [t:78479884]...</cite> <quote>He would lose as an independent. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Llamachama 03/17/20 1:24:54 PM #4:	This is what happens when you gate keep higher education. Stay in school, kids. --- Strong people stand up for themselves. Stronger people stand up for others. https://imgur.com/AoImPRn <cite>Llamachama posted [p:935800597] in Hypothetic... [t:78479884]...</cite> <quote>This is what happens when you gate keep higher education. Stay in school, kids. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 03/17/20 1:49:27 PM #5:	Archgoat posted... He would lose as an independent. This. America's not going to vote a third party in any time soon. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:935801664] in Hypothetic... [t:78479884]...</cite> <quote>Archgoat posted... </cite> <quote>He would lose as an independent.</quote> This. America's not going to vote a third party in any time soon. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 03/17/20 2:31:40 PM #6:	cringe --- Lemonheads <cite>Mead posted [p:935803160] in Hypothetic... [t:78479884]...</cite> <quote>cringe </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChimeraBlue 03/17/20 3:34:38 PM #7:	People don't want uncertainty, especially not right now with the zombie apocalypse in full swing. <cite>ChimeraBlue posted [p:935805899] in Hypothetic... [t:78479884]...</cite> <quote>People don't want uncertainty, especially not right now with the zombie apocalypse in full swing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 03/17/20 4:09:35 PM #8:	Judgmenl posted... Only Republican to vote to Impeach Trump This actually came across like such a political move, it made him feel sleazier to me than if he'd just stuck to party lines. He only did it because he knew it didn't matter, but it would potentially give him credit in the future if he tried to run for President again post-Trump. That perception would absolutely be flung in his face if he ever tried making it a strong point of support. Judgmenl posted... Healthcare Reform (Make it more like what he did in Massachusetts as Governor) I'm honestly not a fan. Mainly because I feel that mandated coverage is the opposite way to solve that particular problem, and only makes things worse in the long run. What we actually need is to reform billing so that people aren't being charged $400 for a Tylenol in the first place. People can't afford health care because corrupt and manipulative billing practices (that are only encouraged by insurance acting as a safety net) dramatically overinflate costs for even incidental procedures. If billing was dramatically reduced, plenty of people could easily afford medical expenses even without insurance, and you'd still have insurance available for those who couldn't. You'd have the best of both worlds, without the need for what is essentially a massive pyramid scheme at this point. Most current health care reform accomplishes very little positive, and causes people to stop trying to fix things because they have the illusion that everything has now been fixed. It's similar to the same problem I have with most gun control legislation - simply passing more laws doesn't really fix anything if you aren't targeting the right problems in the first place, and barely enforce the laws you already have. Passing more laws just lets you pat yourself on the back and feel like you're a better person because you're "helping". Like Internet slacktivism. Judgmenl posted... UBI A lot of people would probably vote against him on this alone (and we won't even get into the people terrified of him because he's strongly pro-life, or because he wears magical underpants). The idea of a UBI is great to people at the bottom, but it's very easy to turn people in the middle or on top against it, because the question of where the money is coming from very rarely has a satisfactory answer. Add all that to the fact that the US hates voting Independent (and the fact that even if an Independent got elected, they'd be extremely weakened in the face of united bi-partisan opposition in Congress), and the fact that he's not really charismatic enough to win people over in spite of past failure/conflicting views, and he'd probably be screwed if he tried to go third-party to pull an upset. If Teddy Roosevelt couldn't pull it off, no mere mortal is getting away with it. Not that my personal opinions on any of this matter anyway, because the state of New Jersey is giving my vote to whoever is running as the Democratic candidate, no matter who they are or what they stand for, regardless of how I feel about anything or any of my opinions on the matter. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:935807515] in Hypothetic... [t:78479884]...</cite> <quote><cite>Judgmenl posted...</cite> <quote>Only Republican to vote to Impeach Trump</quote> This actually came across like such a political move, it made him feel sleazier to me than if he'd just stuck to party lines. He only did it because he knew it didn't matter, but it would potentially give him credit in the future if he tried to run for President again post-Trump. That perception would absolutely be flung in his face if he ever tried making it a strong point of support. <cite>Judgmenl posted...</cite> <quote>Healthcare Reform (Make it more like what he did in Massachusetts as Governor)</quote> I'm honestly not a fan. Mainly because I feel that mandated coverage is the opposite way to solve that particular problem, and only makes things worse in the long run. What we actually need is to reform billing so that people aren't being charged $400 for a Tylenol in the first place. People can't afford health care because corrupt and manipulative billing practices (that are only encouraged by insurance acting as a safety net) dramatically overinflate costs for even incidental procedures. If billing was dramatically reduced, plenty of people could easily afford medical expenses even without insurance, and you'd still have insurance available for those who couldn't. You'd have the best of both worlds, without the need for what is essentially a massive pyramid scheme at this point. Most current health care reform accomplishes very little positive, and causes people to stop trying to fix things because they have the illusion that everything has now been fixed. It's similar to the same problem I have with most gun control legislation - simply passing more laws doesn't really fix anything if you aren't targeting the right problems in the first place, and barely enforce the laws you already have. Passing more laws just lets you pat yourself on the back and feel like you're a better person because you're "helping". Like Internet slacktivism. <cite>Judgmenl posted...</cite> <quote>UBI</quote> A lot of people would probably vote against him on this alone (and we won't even get into the people terrified of him because he's strongly pro-life, or because he wears magical underpants). The idea of a UBI is great to people at the bottom, but it's very easy to turn people in the middle or on top against it, because the question of where the money is coming from very rarely has a satisfactory answer. Add all that to the fact that the US hates voting Independent (and the fact that even if an Independent got elected, they'd be extremely weakened in the face of united bi-partisan opposition in Congress), and the fact that he's not really charismatic enough to win people over in spite of past failure/conflicting views, and he'd probably be screwed if he tried to go third-party to pull an upset. If Teddy Roosevelt couldn't pull it off, no mere mortal is getting away with it. Not that my personal opinions on any of this matter anyway, because the state of New Jersey is giving my vote to whoever is running as the Democratic candidate, no matter who they are or what they stand for, regardless of how I feel about anything or any of my opinions on the matter.</quote> ... 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Mead 03/17/20 4:10:53 PM #9:	ParanoidObsessive posted... This actually came across like such a political move Im no Romney fan but it seemed genuine to me --- Lemonheads <cite>Mead posted [p:935807575] in Hypothetic... [t:78479884]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>This actually came across like such a political move</quote> Im no Romney fan but it seemed genuine to me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 03/17/20 4:12:28 PM #10:	Mead posted... Im no Romney fan but it seemed genuine to me Well, that's the point. If he couldn't make it seem genuine, it wouldn't be very useful as a political move. But again, it's easy to vote for something you know will never pass, where your vote of dissent has no meaningful value other than the PR you can reap from it later. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:935807656] in Hypothetic... [t:78479884]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Im no Romney fan but it seemed genuine to me </quote> Well, that's the point. If he couldn't make it seem genuine, it wouldn't be very useful as a political move. But again, it's easy to vote for something you know will never pass, where your vote of dissent has no meaningful value other than the PR you can reap from it later.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 03/17/20 4:40:57 PM #11:	Judgmenl posted... UBI He'd lose based on that alone. If UBI had any support in this nation, Yang wouldn't have had such difficulty breaking into the top 5 Democrats. Judgmenl posted... Only Republican to vote to Impeach Trump Which is a net detriment because it played like a petty political play or an extension of his butthurtedness over Trump's success where he failed (remember Romney's long diss track where he tried to tank Trump's candidacy?) Judgmenl posted... He'd steal the election from Biden and Trump. At best, he'd split the vote and make the race a little weirder. However, he has no chance of winning and, even if he did win, he'd probably be a worse president than either one of them. Romney was a 1-term governor and is a 1-term senator. He was a terrible candidate in 2008 who was only considered because Obama's experience was also lacking. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:935808933] in Hypothetic... [t:78479884]...</cite> <quote>Judgmenl posted... </cite> <quote>UBI</quote> He'd lose based on that alone. If UBI had any support in this nation, Yang wouldn't have had such difficulty breaking into the top 5 Democrats. Judgmenl posted... </cite> <quote>Only Republican to vote to Impeach Trump</quote> Which is a net detriment because it played like a petty political play or an extension of his butthurtedness over Trump's success where he failed (remember Romney's long diss track where he tried to tank Trump's candidacy?) Judgmenl posted... </cite> <quote>He'd steal the election from Biden and Trump.</quote> At best, he'd split the vote and make the race a little weirder. However, he has no chance of winning and, even if he did win, he'd probably be a worse president than either one of them. Romney was a 1-term governor and is a 1-term senator. He was a terrible candidate in 2008 who was only considered because Obama's experience was also lacking. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gaawa_chan 03/17/20 9:14:57 PM #13:	In that case, the Democrats would probably win. --- Hi <cite>Gaawa_chan posted [p:935820604] in Hypothetic... [t:78479884]...</cite> <quote>In that case, the Democrats would probably win. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 03/17/20 10:03:35 PM #14:	Judgmenl posted... What If He possibly takes Utah's electoral votes from Trump, less likely but maaaaybe swings a battleground state or two to Biden, and...that's about it. His impact would be so small, I don't even know if it'd be enough to swing the election to Biden. <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:935822631] in Hypothetic... [t:78479884]...</cite> <quote>Judgmenl posted... </cite> <quote>What If</quote> He possibly takes Utah's electoral votes from Trump, less likely but maaaaybe swings a battleground state or two to Biden, and...that's about it. His impact would be so small, I don't even know if it'd be enough to swing the election to Biden. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xjayguyx 03/17/20 10:18:21 PM #15:	He would lose just like the dumb ass Democrats will. <cite>xjayguyx posted [p:935823298] in Hypothetic... [t:78479884]...</cite> <quote>He would lose just like the dumb ass Democrats will. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 03/17/20 10:19:50 PM #16:	He couldn't the incumbent last time he tried what makes you think he can do it this time --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:935823361] in Hypothetic... [t:78479884]...</cite> <quote>He couldn't the incumbent last time he tried what makes you think he can do it this time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Korruptor 03/17/20 10:44:30 PM #17:	Mr Hangman posted... As in 1912, he would split the Republican vote and hand the victory to the Democrats. Don't forget 1991, well Perot quit before the elections though. <cite>Korruptor posted [p:935824481] in Hypothetic... [t:78479884]...</cite> <quote>Mr Hangman posted... </cite> <quote>As in 1912, he would split the Republican vote and hand the victory to the Democrats.</quote> Don't forget 1991, well Perot quit before the elections though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 03/17/20 10:58:20 PM #18:	Judgmenl posted... He'd steal the election from Biden and Trump. lol he might hurt Biden, but no one is going to switch a vote for Trump to him that wouldn't have already been going to Biden. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:935825024] in Hypothetic... [t:78479884]...</cite> <quote>Judgmenl posted... </cite> <quote>He'd steal the election from Biden and Trump.</quote> lol he might hurt Biden, but no one is going to switch a vote for Trump to him that wouldn't have already been going to Biden. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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shipwreckers 03/17/20 11:58:44 PM #20:	Well, Romney is an arrogant dick, so..., not much will happen. --- Money is overrated... <cite>shipwreckers posted [p:935827344] in Hypothetic... [t:78479884]...</cite> <quote>Well, Romney is an arrogant dick, so..., not much will happen. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 03/18/20 12:35:57 AM #21:	Mead posted... Im no Romney fan but it seemed genuine to me He's switched his opinions a lot over the years seemingly when it suits his purposes. I gotta 'gree with PO here. Seems like a political move. If he were the deciding vote, I bet he would've voted against. --- I promise that if the game stinks I will make a topic about how I hate it and you can all laugh at me - Mead on Fallout 76 <cite>Smarkil posted [p:935828508] in Hypothetic... [t:78479884]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>Im no Romney fan but it seemed genuine to me </quote> He's switched his opinions a lot over the years seemingly when it suits his purposes. I gotta 'gree with PO here. Seems like a political move. If he were the deciding vote, I bet he would've voted against. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 03/18/20 12:39:55 AM #22:	Hes religious af though I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one, especially since it seems to have just made him a pariah in his own party --- Lemonheads <cite>Mead posted [p:935828637] in Hypothetic... [t:78479884]...</cite> <quote>Hes religious af though I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one, especially since it seems to have just made him a pariah in his own party </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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