Current Events > Xbox Series X looks great...

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MS always wins baby.

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PS5 has to be cheaper

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Power only matters when Sony got it.

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If that PS5 is 100 dollars less than the Series X, the difference doesn't mean shit, IMO.

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> 2020
> still picking which corporation to defend
shucky ducky quack quack

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sony still gonna make money off of xbox bluray disks.

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yea well the ps5 will probably have more games I like. so I still plan to get that

Sony Ponys reeling

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DoubleDare posted...

PS5 has to be cheaper

Not necessarily. It has a fancier SSD which is expensive.

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People seem to be sleeping on the PS5s speed.

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Darmik posted...

Not necessarily. It has a fancier SSD which is expensive.

you have it backwards, sony is using a standard ssd, microsft is using a proprietary because they learned nothing from the 360.

Eitherway, again, lol@picking sides.

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I Like Toast posted...

you have it backwards, sony is using a standard ssd, microsft is using a proprietary because they learned nothing from the 360.

Eitherway, again, lol@picking sides.

That's for the expandable storage.

Sony literally spent half an hour talking about the SSD and the fancy chip they're dedicating to it. It's twice as fast as the XSX SSD.

It's not standard SSD's for expandable storage either. Cerny specifically said it won't be until after launch until they can list the compatible SSD's and to not buy any for the PS5 until then.

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Specs mean nothing to me at all. If it has no games again this gen then Xbox is truly dead

Axiom posted...

Specs mean nothing to me at all. If it has no games again this gen then Xbox is truly dead

Xbox Series X is basically just a PC connected to your TV at whatever price point for those specs at this point.

Unless Series X is more powerful than your current PC and costs less than upgrading to similar specs, no reason to ever own an Xbox again.

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Darmik posted...

That's for the expandable storage

Both are USB for that. Internal sony is using standard and Microsoft proprietary, just like the 360 and ps3
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Unless Series X is more powerful than your current PC and costs less than upgrading to similar specs, no reason to ever own an Xbox again

Or if your pc isnt connected to your tv and an x1x is cheaper than buying a second PC to connect to your tv.

Some games play better from couch, some play better from up close, most people don't have a setup to put their PC connected to both.

Why do people need to keep having the same conversation for 15 years?

You want a ps5, cool. You want an x1x, great. You love pc awesome. Choice benefits everyone

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I Like Toast posted...

Both are USB for that. Internal sony is using standard and Microsoft proprietary, just like the 360 and ps3

USB is for BC and backups. Both use proprietary for the internal drives. Future non-proprietary SSD's can be used for expandable storage on PS5 while XSX is only proprietary,.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-playstation-5-specs-and-tech-that-deliver-sonys-next-gen-vision

Internal;

Delivering two orders of magnitude improvement in performance required a lot of custom hardware to seamlessly marry the SSD to the main processor. A custom flash marries up to the SSD modules via a 12 channel interface, delivering the required 5.5GB/s of performance with a total of 825GB of storage. This may sound like a strange choice for storage size when considering that consumer SSDs offer 512GB, 1TB or more of capacity, but Sony's solution is proprietary, 825GB is most optimal match for the 12-channel interface and there are other advantages too. In short, Sony had more freedom to adapt its design: "We can look at the available NAND flash parts and construct something with optimal price performance. Someone constructing an M.2 drive presumably does not have that freedom, it would be difficult to market and sell if it were not one of those standard sizes," Mark Cerny says.

Expandable;

Ever since Mark Cerny first revealed the proprietary nature of the SSD, questions have been asked about expandable storage. What happens when you've filled your allocated 825GB of storage? Well, PlayStation 5 is backwards compatible - and you can save space by running your older games from standard external storage. It won't be as fast as booting from the internal SSD, but it'll free up space for the next-gen titles that are going to need it. Once the limit is hit, we suspect that games can be backed up to standard hard drives, but there is an option to boost SSD storage.
We've seen Microsoft's proprietary drives but Sony is sticking with its strategy of allowing users to buy off-the-shelf parts and fit them into the console themselves - so yes, NVMe PC drives will work in PlayStation 5. The only problem is that PC technology is significantly behind PS5. It'll take some time for the newer, PCIe 4.0-based drives with the bandwidth required to match Sony's spec to hit the market.
And then, Sony needs to validate them to ensure that they will work properly. The PS5 will have an NVMe slot, but drive compatibility will be paramount. It's not just a bandwidth issue either, though clearly that is a factor. PS5's spec delivers six priority levels to developers, while the NVMe spec has just two.

"We can hook up a drive with only two priority levels, definitely, but our custom I/O unit has to arbitrate the extra priorities - rather than the M.2 drive's flash controller - and so the M.2 drive needs a little extra speed to take care of issues arising from the different approach," says Cerny. "That commercial drive also needs to physically fit inside the bay we created in PS5 for M.2 drives. Unlike internal hard drives, there's unfortunately no standard for the height of an M.2 drive, and some M.2 drives have giant heat sinks - in fact, some of them even have their own fans."

While the internal SSD solution is proprietary, with what might be considered a non-standard capacity, this will have no impact on the storage available from compatible M.2 drives, if you buy a 1TB or 2TB drive, that's the storage you'll have available. "The M.2 drive will have its own flash controller with its own (invisible) internal interface to its NAND flash dies. We don't know, or need to know, the details of that internal interface, or the size and type of NAND flash attached via that interface," Cerny explains. "What's relevant is the M.2 drive's external interface (eg four lanes of Gen4 PCIe so it can hook up to our flash controller) and the read bandwidth it can support via that interface."

In short, expandable storage is possible and you won't need proprietary drives from Sony to get the extra space you want. However, in the short term at least, the advice is simple: don't buy an NVMe drive without Sony validation if you plan to use it in PlayStation 5. Also remember that extreme bandwidth PCIe 4.0 NVMe drives are likely to be very expensive - in the short term, at least. This is cutting-edge technology, after all. Obviously though, the outlook should improve significantly as the next generation progresses - and prices do tend to drop significantly over time.

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Darmik posted...

USB is for BC and backups. Both use proprietary for the internal drives. Future non-proprietary SSD's can be used for expandable storage on PS5 while XSX is only proprietary,.

yup i'm wrong.

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Has this affected anyone future purchases?

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Hopefully Sony is cheap and doesn't have shit exclusives.

Otherwise I'm just sticking with PC aka XBOX

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watching sony ponies bend over backwards and do mental gymnastics since the PS5 reveal has been quite entertaining

Reis posted...

watching sony ponies bend over backwards and do mental gymnastics since the PS5 reveal has been quite entertaining

I think its concerning we havent even seen the system yet.

MS is confident of a Holiday 2020 release even with everything going on. Im iffy on Sony right now

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I think it's hard to disagree that Microsoft has done a much better job rolling out the hardware reveal and technical stuff. Letting Digital Foundry look deep into it was a great idea. The Phil Spencer blog was way better than the boring presentation.

But it's the full reveals with the games that will be the most important thing. So Sony can still nail it there.

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Xbox has been transparent about everything whereas the PS5 hasn't even been properly revealed yet lol

Wouldn't be surprised if it just looks like a PS4 but with 4 layers instead of 3 lol

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SwayM posted...

Sony Ponys reeling

I like how you lited the general specs on one and the more detailed specs for another.

Definitely doesn't seem to be biased (sarcasm)

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itachi15243 posted...

I like how you lited the general specs on one and the more detailed specs for another.

Definitely doesn't seem to be biased (sarcasm)

I didnt make this damn image.


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Zikten posted...

yea well the ps5 will probably have more games I like. so I still plan to get that

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itachi15243 posted...

I like how you lited the general specs on one and the more detailed specs for another.

Definitely doesn't seem to be biased (sarcasm)

Pretty sure that's because of how Sony revealed the specs. Not sure what detailed specs you think are missing anyway or what difference they will make.

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We're still missing some details for PS5.

- Can PS4 games be converted to PS5 versions with a developer patch/port?

- What is the new controller and can you use a DS4 on the PS5?

- How will PS4 BC compatibility work (can Sony patch in any enhancements like higher resolutions without developer input?) and how often will they add games?

- Can you suspend/resume multiple games at once? Can you patch the console without losing progress in your current session?

- What does the console look like?

I think the only thing left for XSX are the games and if the OS will be updated. Oh and if they'll have a cheaper model.

I will say the fake audience for the PS5 talk was hilarious.

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Backwards compatibility is gon be a huge difference maker I think

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SwayM posted...

Has this affected anyone future purchases?

Not at all, I'd rather play Sony's IPs than Microsoft's.

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I want to know if Sony is going to make any drastic change to the PS5 controller

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-nd3U6jWAE

Sony recently released the DualShock 4 Back Button attachment

And if they integrate this tech into DualShock 5, that would be a drastic change IMO.

Having Back levers and a touchpad in the center + touch pad button and touch pad interface on top could make for interesting change to the controller for everyday gaming.

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Sony: "Oh, one more thing... we just bought Konami."
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JosephRogan posted...

Sony: "Oh, one more thing... we just bought Konami."

Konami aint even worth buying.

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SwayM posted...

Konami aint even worth buying.

Which means they got a great deal.
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SwayM posted...

Backwards compatibility is gon be a huge difference maker I think

It's astounding how Sony's answer to backwards compatibility was "a little here, a little there, but all PS4"

And some people actually believed it would have full backwards compatibility from PS1-4 LOL

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I only buy consoles for games. Sony can release a potato and if it has games on it that I want to play I can't get on PC then I will buy their potato. MS already said they won't have exclusives, so I wonder why would I buy a game machine for reasons that are games, when my PC already does all the other non-game functions and more?

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AvantgardeAClue posted...

And some people actually believed it would have full backwards compatibility from PS1-4 LOL

Anybody who believed that has no understanding of actual computer hardware and how it works.

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ssjevot posted...

I only buy consoles for games. Sony can release a potato and if it has games on it that I want to play I can't get on PC then I will buy their potato. MS already said they won't have exclusives, so I wonder why would I buy a game machine for reasons that are games, when my PC already does all the other non-game functions and more?

gamers: every company is so ANTI CONSUMER these days!
Microsoft: Play our games wherever you like. Only ever buy them once. Play the entire last 3 generation of games on the most current system.
also gamers: wHy WoUlD i EvEr SuPpOrT mIcRoSoFT??


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Yeah, I wish they would just release everything on PC so I never needed to buy a console, but I'm not going to miss out on games like Bloodborne, because I like playing games. I'm not sure what about your argument would convince me to buy an X-Box since it has no games I can't get elsewhere. I own a 360 and original XBox because they both have games I can't get elsewhere.

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The specs mean very little at this point. It boils down to price and games.

I don't really care if the Xbox loads 4 seconds faster or plays slightly better graphics that I can't notice anyway without an 8k tv.

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Anybody who believed that has no understanding of actual computer hardware and how it works.

Emulating PS1 and 2 is incredibly easy actually (your phone can do it). The PS3 would be the only major issue for emulation.

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Anybody who believed that has no understanding of actual computer hardware and how it works.

Of course they don't, but it's Sony so people are willing to believe they can use black magic or something to make it happen

ssjevot posted...

I only buy consoles for games. Sony can release a potato and if it has games on it that I want to play I can't get on PC then I will buy their potato. MS already said they won't have exclusives, so I wonder why would I buy a game machine for reasons that are games, when my PC already does all the other non-game functions and more?

Not everyone wants a gaming PC for one reason or another. I have a Mac, for instance.

If anything you should be happy Microsoft is bridging the gap between console and PC instead of grabbing you by the balls to play their exclusives

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Darmik posted...

Not necessarily. It has a fancier SSD which is expensive.

Didn't they also say Sony was pulling a move from the smartphone playbook and releasing multiple versions of the console on launch?

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AvantgardeAClue posted...

If anything you should be happy Microsoft is bridging the gap between console and PC instead of grabbing you by the balls to play their exclusives

I don't get why people keep trying to make me happy about it. All I am saying is I buy consoles for games I can't play on PC. This doesn't have that, so it isn't for me. Yes it sucks I have to buy another PlayStation to play their games, but I want to play them so I will. But I don't know what gap is being bridged for me by MS here.

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pres_madagascar posted...

Didn't they also say Sony was pulling a move from the smartphone playbook and releasing multiple versions of the console on launch?

I think that was a typical hogwash rumor tbh. I think it was the same source that said it had BC with every Playstation console?

ssjevot posted...

I don't get why people keep trying to make me happy about it. All I am saying is I buy consoles for games I can't play on PC. This doesn't have that, so it isn't for me. Yes it sucks I have to buy another PlayStation to play their games, but I want to play them so I will. But I don't know what gap is being bridged for me by MS here.

Some people get touchy over it but yeah Microsoft don't care if you play their games on PC. Hell they love it if you're subbed to Game Pass. A lot of the tech they're developing for XSX is gonna be used for PC too.

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ssjevot posted...

I don't get why people keep trying to make me happy about it. All I am saying is I buy consoles for games I can't play on PC. This doesn't have that, so it isn't for me. Yes it sucks I have to buy another PlayStation to play their games, but I want to play them so I will. But I don't know what gap is being bridged for me by MS here.

Well for starters, you're not being whipped into buying a whole new console only to play a few games on it. That's pretty pro-consumer right there, especially if you're deep in the Microsoft ecosystem. It's plug and play, for people like me who want to play Fallout 3 without having to try and fail to run it in compatibility mode for Windows 10. It's compatible with older Xbox One accessories, which is a plus for return Xbox buyers.

If you don't see the need for it, that's cool, it's not for everyone. But asking "what's the point" isn't quite the angle I would take this with, especially when most people buying this don't have a gaming PC, like I said before.

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ssjevot posted...

Emulating PS1 and 2 is incredibly easy actually (your phone can do it). The PS3 would be the only major issue for emulation.

The emulators already exist, but perfect emulation using FPGA's are honestly the best option, software emulation always seems to be the most glitchy.

Sony has the blueprints, they can hire the same guy who did the Super NT analogue and just have him make perfect emulators via FPGA or have them try to port existing emulators onto the PS5. But I doubt the 3rd party software emulators will be as perfect as a FPGA directly emulating the old ASIC's onboard the machines.


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