Board 8 > Illuminati Mafia Topic 3 - The Land of The Freemasons

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5tar for sure reads like the town in this exchange.

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And if Red isnt scum or there are 4 scum, then I guess I'd start having to consider the two Tange-confirmed people (Puns and Corrik).

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What if red and 5tar and puns are all town

I guess with the numbers there should be 4 scum right? I only started assuming 3 because I want to believe everyone but Red is town for some reason or another.

Han is mod-confirmed

Corrik and Puns are Tange-confirmed

Sbell is neighbor-confirmed (Also a bit Tange-confirmed because of tange's comment to shoot him)


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turbopuns3 posted...

Well. Ya know that only follows logically if you, uh...flip scum.

Oh yeah. Whoops.
When red flips scum you can absolutely lynch me tomorrow. I mean you can lynch me today and red tomorrow if you must but Im town vanilla.
I am confused about the scum flips though. They suggest town detective role and I think either myself or red where the obvious options.
I hope they scanned me but so far nothing.

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turbopuns3 posted...

What if red and 5tar and puns are all town

I'm very confident Sbell is town. So for your statement to be true it would then mean Corrik is scum and Tange 4D chess'd us. But I do not think that is the case. Someone on that list is scum

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Puns do you think me and red are both town?

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5tarscream posted...

Puns do you think me and red are both town?

I think that is unlikely at this point, but there are situations which could make it possible

PunishedBen posted...

I'm very confident Sbell is town. So for your statement to be true it would then mean Corrik is scum and Tange 4D chess'd us. But I do not think that is the case. Someone on that list is scum

What's the deal with SBell?

He's said on the neighbor board that he's not very into the game, which I get. If he was scum I think he would have been leveraging his position more. Especially in regards to Gravy. The whole "strategy" of trying to not talk to the neighbor to not let it influence their outlook on the game...is totally a weird town thing to do.

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This game is so inactive I'd probably be an improvement somewhere that is sad.

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Does anyone who is not red or 5tar want to lynch anyone who is not red or 5tar

I don't think it is cut and dry as just red.

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I will attempt to get my head into this game and read back a bit and form an opinion.

I apologize to the rest of town for my inactivity.

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Corrik7 posted...

I don't think it is cut and dry as just red.

Why not

turbopuns3 posted...

Why not

Ben looked atrocious end of day 1. The Puns being town argument is a bit flimsy via Tange.

As is Sbell being town.

Red is definitely my number 1 tho.

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Corrik I am literally town

Leafeon13N posted...

Corrik I am literally town

That's great. You refuse to claim when the consensus is that you are scum. I feel in that scenario that you especially, due to your day 1 antics, would not want the day to stagnate on yourself and claim already.

You yourself are causing the stagnation and denial of information to make our best informed decision.

If you were town, I don't see how you haven't surmised that already and acted accordingly.

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Day 2*

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##Vote: Red

if you pop Town, we'll lynch 5tar tomorrow, etc

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I realize I haven't posted in awhile, but for as low energy of a game as this is, we've managed to nail Scum.

Current best target is the guy who forced a tiebreaker instead of just letting Scum die yesterday.

Who also refuses to claim, in a game with low activity, stalling things out.

Sooooo the guy who keeps trying to stall is probably Scum and if Red dies without ever claiming then I am at peace with that.

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Han.

Im assuming its gg but on the chance that there are 4 scum who do you think for the final slot?

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anyway fuck it. I watched Han on n1 just saw Death. Yesterday I got RB'd.

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Corrik, I think you are the last person to claim aside from me?

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There is 13 in this game right?

Pretty much has to be 4.

9/4
7/4
5/4
Gameover.

Ehhh maybe not with the gambler.

10/3
8/3
6/3
4/3
Game over

Hmmm

Gambler guesses wrong with 4
9/4
6/4
Gameover. 2 mislynchs and wrong shot lose.

Gambler guesses right with 4
9/4
7/3
5/3
Gameover. 3 mislynchs with guessing right.

Gambler guesses wrong with 3
10/3
7/3
5/3
Gameover. 3 mislynchs with guessing wrong.

Gambler guesses right with 3.

10/3
8/2
6/2
4/2
Gameover. 4 mislynchs with guessing right.

9/3/1

Gambler guesses right.

9/3/1
7/2/1
5/2/1
3/2/1 gameover. 3 mislynchs. Game over.

Gambler guesses wrong.
9/3/1
6/3/1
4/3/1 game over. 2 mislynchs. Game over

Aight. Probably 3.

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Corrik, I think you are the last person to claim aside from me?

Go ahead, sweet pea.

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Nah, I'm gamble-confirmed. That's one step above Tange confirmed.

You first.

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Nah, I'm gamble-confirmed. That's one step above Tange confirmed.

You first.

I think we can both go to the grave with our claims. Or more likely just win with them being unsaid.

There is one of two scenarios here, as neither of us have jumped to counterclaim red.

A. This game is super low power.

Town

10
Gambler
Bodyguard
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla (neighbor?)
Neighbor (Vanilla)
Xxxxx nothing exciting
Xxxxx nothing exciting

Scum
Ninja (no counter so Vanilla)
Godfather (no counter so Vanilla)
Xxxxxx nothing exciting (neighbor?)

Or

B. Red is town.

Town

10
Watcher
Gambler
Bodyguard
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla (Neighbor?)
Neighbor (Vanilla)
Xxxxx nothing exciting
Xxxxx nothing exciting

Scum
3

Ninja (watcher checked)
Godfather (vanilla no counter)
Xxxxx nothing exciting (neighbor?)

So, do you think red is confirmed town or not, Han?


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I don't think he's confirmed Town, but I'm willing to consider other avenues. I don't really want to jump down the rabbit hole of considering whether or not IGCD would put a meta trap like pointless ninja into the game.

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I do want to point out that Han is still alive.

Now, the question is why.

We assume they shot Han night 1, yes? Red says he saw nothing of course. Ninja so whatever. We assume HB saved Han and BGed the kill.

The question is... Why hasn't Han died since then?

But, why did they shoot Han night 1? The fact he hasn't died night 2 kind of speaks to that they believe town has a Doctor unclaimed right? So, they feel they can't shoot Han outright. It's surely not watcher fear night 2 because they had a ninja.

So, night 1 had to of been a strongman shot right? In which, the BG ate? Depending on hosts this goes through BG or not.

But, if this wasn't the scenario then why wasn't Han killed night 2 when they tried to night 1 in the same conditions minus the BG?

Shit. I just realized it is day 3 and the Ninja died day 2 prior to night 2. So, okay, my grand theory for why red is full of shit is gone.

Hmmm.

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Red claims roleblocker exists for scum also. Hmmmm. *Wink*

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The real question is why wouldnt the role blocker have just blocked hb and they could have killed Han N1. He outed himself as bodyguard almost immediately after Han was cleared.


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I think its an excellent fake claim because Ben and I both mentioned the lack of a detective role and nobody came forward with a claim. He was basically dead already and it either buys him an extra day or outs a detective.
You said you were role locked but you didnt say what your fake action was.


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Corrik7 posted...

We assume they shot Han night 1, yes? Red says he saw nothing of course. Ninja so whatever. We assume HB saved Han and BGed the kill.

I thought so too but I'm honestly not 100% certain they didn't mess up and decide to shoot hb directly.

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Puns claimed vanilla, right?

Scum either shot me or Hb night 1. If they REALLY wanted me dead, they'd have used their supposed Roleblocker to block BG. However, that didn't happen.

Thing is, with a ninja and a godfather, they'd be afraid of a scan, so they would just go with the shot, no matter what happens, and RB around for a power role. N2, the ninja is dead, so they aim elsewhere, afraid of a watch that might catch them, so they shoot and rb elsewhere? That's kind of dumb though, because they should've shot you, Corrik, and not Scare.

Corrik, what are your thoughts on the Neighbors atm?

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5tarscream posted...

You said you were role locked but you didnt say what your fake action was.

i dont give more information than I feel I have to. fish elsewhere.

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Red, the only reason you wouldn't give up that information is if you were reluctant to claim you watched Scare.

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red13n posted...

i dont give more information than I feel I have to. fish elsewhere.

Youre right. Withholding information has stood you in such good stead so far you should totally keep it up.

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Red, the only reason you wouldn't give up that information is if you were reluctant to claim you watched Scare.

Can confirm I did not attempt to watch scare at least.

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Puns claimed vanilla, right?

Scum either shot me or Hb night 1. If they REALLY wanted me dead, they'd have used their supposed Roleblocker to block BG. However, that didn't happen.

Thing is, with a ninja and a godfather, they'd be afraid of a scan, so they would just go with the shot, no matter what happens, and RB around for a power role. N2, the ninja is dead, so they aim elsewhere, afraid of a watch that might catch them, so they shoot and rb elsewhere? That's kind of dumb though, because they should've shot you, Corrik, and not Scare.

Corrik, what are your thoughts on the Neighbors atm?

Initially I was convinced it was town-town. Not exactly ready to toot my horn that is real.

That said, in my posts yesterday I said if Mzero was scum, it was a strong possibility Aeiccoo was with him. I said it was less likely of 5tar was scum, and 5tar isn't likely to be scum with Mzero.

I think puns, Ben, red, and Sbell are all possibly scum at this point.

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Like Ben's end of Day 1 was as comically bad as Reds end of Day 2.

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Hmm.

Well

I dunno. I dont feel confident about anything this game. I think it's too convenient Red is claiming roleblocked but would also be surprised if there's no investigative role this game.

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Tange should have been town. The fact he wasnt throws off everything.

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How mad would Gravy be if his Scumteam was Tange, MZero, and Neighbor with SBell, and NOBODY talked to him?

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Tange was very active. On the scumboard? Maybe not. But in topic at least.


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Ben, why do you vouch for SBell so much?

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I believe his whole "disengaged from the game" shtick because I fee similar and he was the same way last game. I think the explanation for why he did not talk to Gravy was weird in a town kind of way. Not at all scum motivated to intentionally look bad by not playing the good neighbor. Being that way "so as not to influence your reads" is not a play I agree with, but it is a town motivated one

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Tell him he should update us on his current thoughts.

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Han, should we claim?

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I'm honestly not sure if either of you should claim.

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