Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1331

(+) Yeah! (+)

I probably also have a similar /played for Dota 1 in Warcraft 3. That game was my obsession from like 2006 until Dota 2 came out

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Maybe I would have considered Dota in another match, but Ngamer is an enormous fan and insisted that it could never win on GameFAQs because its fanbase does nothing other than play Dota and would never think to come here and vote, as that is distinctly non-Dota-playing behavior.

So yeah, thanks Ng!

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Yuri_LowelI posted...

LBW isn't some low tier Zelda like the shitty DS ones. It beat out TLOU on here for GOTY. TLOU was one mother fucking overhyped game back then i remember. People underrate LBW's popularity a bit.

Id take over every Handheld Zelda. Even Links Awakening. Easily.

And that's a bridge too far imo. LBW likely does have decent strength, but Link's Awakening is one of three or so handheld games that could actually smack around the big console games on this site. It easily thwarted Sonic 2 and Mega Man X in the past, and it would trounce The Last of Us hard.

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Why do people assume TLOU is strong? Didn't it look like crap in the last contest?

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Why do people assume TLOU is strong? Didn't it look like crap in the last contest?

its not. But in reality how strong is LBW?

i mean its not going to threaten any top tier games

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Didn't it look like crap in the last contest?

It's had a so-so polling history. That GotY loss against LBW was a bad introduction to this site - not that losing to Zelda is embarrassing in and of itself, but losing to a handheld might be (it's still the only time in like 20 years that a handheld game won GotY here). It scored 40% against KHII, which is... alright, but I think its stock has fallen in the last four years. It's lucky as hell to have gotten such an easy path to Dark Souls, but I'd never expect a threatening performance from it there.

The best poll TLoU has ever had was its crushing victory against Halo 3.

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Yuri_LowelI posted...

its not. But in reality how strong is LBW?

i mean its not going to threaten any top tier games

I'd put it around where Link's Awakening was before the remake

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I'm off to a shit start, so far be it for me to talk a bit game right now, but DMC5 is one of those games I just can't see winning. Its games (1 and 3) have only made one contest, and the series's only win was against Mother 3. Donkey Kong is bringing more to the table than that. Someone open my eyes here because this match is 50/50 in the Guru and I'm not seeing why.

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DKC games were never strong, and DMC5 brought the proper Dante character model back. This match is a crapshoot and anyone who says they know what's going to happen is lying.

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CaptainOfCrush posted...

I'm off to a shit start, so far be it for me to talk a bit game right now, but DMC5 is one of those games I just can't see winning. Its games (1 and 3) have only made one contest, and the series's only win was against Mother 3. Donkey Kong is bringing more to the table than that. Someone open my eyes here because this match is 50/50 in the Guru and I'm not seeing why.

Speaking as someone who's first impression was to take DMC5, and then switched to DKC:TF later on, DKC definitely has a low floor here. It's definitely going to be weaker than the SNES games which aren't all that strong despite DKC2 getting the ideal path in 2015, and DMC5 was well received in its own right. Plus, Dante's definitely been more consistent in character battles than the ape, and I defintitely think I would have more faith in Tropical Freeze had it been a Switch only title, as opposed to being on the Wii U first.

That being said, DK was definitely a different beast last time, and if Tropical Freeze was the reason why, that's not good for DMC5.

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Tropical Freeze is going to be strictly much weaker than DKC2 and DKC2 was not strong. DMC5 isn't going to be strong either so I just rolled with the game that was a bigger deal on release.

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DMC5 did have the factor of "holy shit this game isn't DmC tier and actually good" and the Pull My Devil Trigger memes

Meanwhile Tropical Freeze was well-liked but just seen as an upgrade(?)/more of the same as Donkey Kong Country Returns

That said still went with Tropical Freeze buts till think it's a 50/50 ish myslef.

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Well, to amend what I said, I think DKC is the favorite going in at this point. I think I underestimated the effect that ApathyFAQs would have on results when filling out my bracket. I'd be more comfortable with DKC5 in a 1 v 1. In a situation where GameFAQs is forced to choose between two games they probably haven't played, Nintendo will almost always benefit.

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DK in a debatable match that he could very well choke? Classic GameFAQs contest stuff right there boys.

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I don't think Tropical Freeze is gonna be THAT much weaker than the SNES games. But also DMC5 is no way close to 3 either.

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That's a pretty good Ultimate result, unless Tekken 7 is turbo fodder (which I don't think it is).
If it can get a "lesser" rally like Melee, it can probably win the whole thing.

Also another days of stomps.

I'm happy Minecraft is winning today. That game had such a strong impact on society.

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Nothing against Dota, but I don't expect a game like that to be worth anything here. I was certain Minecraft would take this and I'm certain Spider Man can beat Minecraft unless some great rally actually happens.

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In the case of DKC5 vs DMC5, I have been burned three times in a row betting against Donkey Kong in a debated first round match so I took Tropical Freeze. I hope he doesnt stop that streak now.

Also I just hope Dead Space breaks 30% here, that game deserves to not be garbage.

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Lightning Strikes posted...

In the case of DKC5 vs DMC5, I have been burned three times in a row betting against Donkey Kong in a debated first round match do I took Tropical Freeze. I hope he doesnt stop that streak now.

Exactly the same as me.

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Oh hey wish granted, Dead Space just stalled Spider-Man and now its over 30%. Nice. None of the losers look really that terrible.

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So how much of a factor do you think anti-votes play in this contest?

Seeing as games like Fortnite, Call of Duty and Dota 2 get crushed this badly leads me to think it plays some role in this contest, thanks to forced voting. I reckon many voters would rather vote less than four matches, but when forced, why not vote against a game they hate or want to lose?

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Why do people assume TLOU is strong? Didn't it look like crap in the last contest?

Everything here except BotW is crap if you take previous contests as a comparison. TLOU is actually projected to beat Dark Souls in the 2015 stats.

Antivotes are more of a threat when you have to vote in every match, so apathy from someone who would normally abstain gets turned into an antivote

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Forced voting is still new, but I absolutely believe it plays some role.

Generally, I'd think recognition matters more than usual "Oh, I have no vote here, well, this franchise I've heard about" and that could mean negative things I suppose. I'd also expect picture to mean more than otherwise. Ocassionally some artwork stands out a lot in 8 pictures, which probably makes an indifferent voter more likely to vote for it.

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So finally checked the results. As expected?

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Yesterday's charts:

Time | RE2 | DR2 | Votes | Demographic
EBV | 76.46% | 23.54% | 412 | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 80.64% | 19.36% | 3068 | (0:00-1:00)
ENV | 83.34% | 16.66% | 7678 | (1:00-6:00)
DNV | 83.23% | 16.77% | 3249 | (6:00-10:00)
TMV | 83.82% | 16.18% | 5178 | (10:00-16:00)
TDV | 83.56% | 16.44% | 4853 | (16:00-24:00)

Time | DOOM | INSIDE | Votes | Demographic
EBV | 83.45% | 16.55% | 411 | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 87.06% | 12.94% | 3067 | (0:00-1:00)
ENV | 86.92% | 13.08% | 7678 | (1:00-6:00)
DNV | 84.76% | 15.24% | 3249 | (6:00-10:00)
TMV | 83.58% | 16.42% | 5176 | (10:00-16:00)
TDV | 87.57% | 12.43% | 4853 | (16:00-24:00)

Time | Awakening | Deus Ex | Votes | Demographic
EBV | 64.72% |,35.28% | 411 | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 66.48% | 33.52% | 3067 | (0:00-1:00)
ENV | 63.40% | 36.60% | 7678 | (1:00-6:00)
DNV | 59.56% | 40.44% | 3249 | (6:00-10:00)
TMV | 60.92% | 39.08% | 5176 | (10:00-16:00)
TDV | 63.50% | 36.50% | 4857 | (16:00-24:00)

Time | Bloodborne | CoDBlOps | Votes | Demographic
EBV | 80.39% | 19.61% | 413 | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 81.67% | 18.33% | 3071 | (0:00-1:00)
ENV | 80.95% | 19.05% | 7678 | (1:00-6:00)
DNV | 81.72% | 18.28% | 3249 | (6:00-10:00)
TMV | 79.64% | 20.36% | 5176 | (10:00-16:00)
TDV | 79.31% | 20.69% | 4858 | (16:00-24:00)
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So now that we've seen both BotW and ALBW in action, how do people rank the Zelda games?

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OoT
BotW
ALttP
MM
TP/WW
ALBW/LoZ
LA

Skyrim would put SS as the weakest there, though likely comparable to LA.

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I wouldn't take BotW over LttP, and probably not over MM either. TP/WW level seems most realistic to me.

There are too many series veterans like myself that felt like BotW was a garbage game because of the durability mechanics, lack of items and lack of dungeons.

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I think that is a vanishingly small number compared to the new and lapsed people it brought in and back. BOTW is not only the highest rated game of the decade on GameFAQs, but the only Zelda with a better rating is OoT. BotW is a true monster, top 10 for sure, potentially top 5.

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It's hard for me to truly judge where I'd rank BotW because I'm old now.

I LOVED BotW when I played through it. It's sense of place and exploration is probably the very best in the series. It was a joy just to run around that world. ...But it's also a game I can't see myself wanting to play again for a long time.

OoT and ALttP I've probably played a dozen times each over the years. My love of them is etched in nostalgia as much as anything else.

I've played through MM, TP, WW, and LA in the last few years because of their remasters.

• MM is better than I remembered but still, I feel, as divisive a game as BotW, due to the time mechanics.
• TP is also better than I remembered. It's got great dungeons but a not great overworld.
• WW is worse than I remembered. It's far and away the best looking Zelda, has those memorable "under the sea" moments, and a unique world. But the dungeons kind of suck and the sailing is still tedious.
• LA is a game I LOVED as a kid. So many family car trips passed playing it. Yet in 2020...it shows its age in its roots as a handheld game.

For the purposes of NostalgiaFAQs, yeah, it's OoT, then ALttP, BotW, and MM...maybe or maybe not in that order, but definitely I distinct cut above the rest of the series.

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

I wouldn't take BotW over LttP, and probably not over MM either. TP/WW level seems most realistic to me.

There are too many series veterans like myself that felt like BotW was a garbage game because of the durability mechanics, lack of items and lack of dungeons.

Glad your opinion is such a perfect representation of the site average!

in this case it is not just gamefaqs though, BoTW is the best rated game of the decade basicaly everywhere. metacritic recently released a compilation of "best of the decade" lists made across all gaming media where they assigned points based on each game's position in each list, and BotW won by an actual landslide, almost doubling the second place

Somehow I always liked sailing in Wind Waker even though I definitely get why people have a problem with it.

That fetch-quest at the end of the game, on the other hand, is the pits. And Wind Waker is my 2nd favorite game.

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

I wouldn't take BotW over LttP, and probably not over MM either. TP/WW level seems most realistic to me.

There are too many series veterans like myself that felt like BotW was a garbage game because of the durability mechanics, lack of items and lack of dungeons.

youre crazy if you think BOTW is on WW and TP level. Its well above

oot is 1. Lttp is 2 and BOTW is 3

but i wouldnt be surprised if BOTW beats Lttp.

we should do a best of 2000 and best of 2010 decade winner. BOTW vs MM. I expect BOTW to win

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Sailing is alright.

My main issue with WW is that the dungeons are kind of meh. The best one is the first dungeon, and then it goes downhill from there. Must dungeons are very sloggish puzzle sequences.

Not feeling too good about Undertale in its match against Octopath. I mean it's probably stronger than the ~30% it got against Fallout 3 before the rally in 2015, but that's not saying too much...

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ZeldaTPLink posted...

Glad your opinion is such a perfect representation of the site average!

ulti said a ton of people block black turtle. I can now see why. This guy talks so much dross.

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I'd take a horror game over Dota 2. No question.

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I would honestly be shocked if BotW can beat ALttP. People forget how much of a monster ALttP is because it always gets fed to OoT.

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Full series strength ranking using polls and ratings, single player only for my sanity:

OoT
BotW
ALttP
MM
TP
WW
ALBW
LoZ
LA
SS
PH
MC
AoL
Oracles
ST

That bottom five is tricky.

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We saw how insanely strong SNES games were last BGE. I would not be certain of BotW being above it.

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So...admittedly I don't follow these X-Stats or whatever they're called. But is A Link Between Worlds not as well liked as most other Zelda games on these?

Or is Bayonetta just stronger than I thought?

I'm aware A Link Between Worlds is stomping it rn. But I'm just surprised it isn't as one-sided as all the other matches today.

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AzureScrublord posted...

So...admittedly I don't follow these X-Stats or whatever they're called. But is A Link Between Worlds not as well liked as most other Zelda games on these?

Or is Bayonetta just stronger than I thought?

I'm aware A Link Between Worlds is stomping it rn. But I'm just surprised it isn't as one-sided as all the other matches today.

Portable games are generally not as strong as console ones.

Bayonetta would beat the other three losing games today, easily. So there's that too

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Bayonetta is easily the strongest loser today. It got a bad draw. So did ALBW when it gets to round 2!

I think ALBW should be in or around the top quarter of the field, its just that being a handheld game definitely holds it back sadly.

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ZeldaTPLink posted...

Sailing is alright.

My main issue with WW is that the dungeons are kind of meh. The best one is the first dungeon, and then it goes downhill from there. Must dungeons are very sloggish puzzle sequences.

I don't remember the dungeons being that bad, but I definitely get why one would have a problem with them.

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i dont think being handheld holds games back much, other than making them much less likely to ever get re-released. Not genuinely being as good or well liked as console games is what really kills them. people often tend to rate stuff relative to its era and/or platform and the ceiling is lower for pre-switch handhelds so they get inflated scores. They will seldom live up to those scores when competing head to head with console games of their era because they werent being rated by the same scale.

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