Board 8 > Percussion Mafia Topic 9

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And really, Corrik's been demeaning everything I've done since I replaced into the game, so I'm not surprised he brushed me off and claimed something that makes even more sense for him to be scum.

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But if plum doesnt give the right answer then maybe it wasnt worthless.

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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

So i was conflicted on who to track and i really should have went against my instincts and tracked corrik or death like i was thinking

...Oh come on.

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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

But if plum doesnt give the right answer then maybe it wasnt worthless.

Why would you reveal you tracked Plum before Plum said anything?

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Thought we were supposed to somehow try to organize a same time between the three of us.

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Though I think there's a very high likelihood that Plum is town anyway at this point, as previously stated.

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uwnim posted...

Thought we were supposed to somehow try to organize a same time between the three of us.

Yes, yes you were...

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I did not know that

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By the way, given Corrik's claim today: If Corrik is town, Death or MZero must be the "bomb placer". Every other person in the game is cleared.

I am far more willing to believe those two are town than I am willing to believe Corrik is town.

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Im thinking Death something about the noise maker claim doesnt sit the greatest

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I would think it's Death as well. His claim is perfect disguise for acting every night. MZero has a claim that he does not act at night.

And well, I don't think Death is scum.

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Well no, not perfect... He still could've been, you know, tracked...

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The entire bomb thing is weird. Like the effect of someone being able to put bombs on people every night would have on game balance just feels off.

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uwnim posted...

The entire bomb thing is weird. Like the effect of someone being able to put bombs on people every night would have on game balance just feels off.

It would absolutely have to be a second independent at this point, and it would most likely be Death.

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so can someone summarize what the bomb placer is, and remind me what mzero's claimed role is and how it fits in to that?

Corrik claims to be able to find out if someone has a bomb. It would appear based on his results that there is a role out there that can put bombs on folks.

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OR corrik is just lying. Mzero could have used his ability to exsplain why he is still alive. But like wouldnt they have been planting bombs all game and someone would have exsploded by now?
Unless its a last on the lynch kind of thing but still it be super over powered wouldnt it?

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If Indy, could be something like they win if every player alive has a bomb on them.

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Dels posted...

so can someone summarize what the bomb placer is, and remind me what mzero's claimed role is and how it fits in to that?

Corrik claimed almost last on day 2: He claimed he scans other players for bombs. He claimed a redirect to Uwnim night 1, as Sultan also did. Therefore, for Corrik to be town, there must be a scum double redirector, and an indy that puts bombs on people. This is why Corrik being town would confirm the majority entire game as town.

Corrik claimed to find a "bomb" on MZero on night 2. MZero's claim is that he is immune to any form of death 1 time. It's not a role I think scum MZero is bold enough to fake.

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uwnim posted...

If Indy, could be something like they win if every player alive has a bomb on them.

I have pondered this, but this seems incredibly rude to have 5 scum, a survivor, and an indy that can autowin the game early if it gets lucky. Like, it seems hideously broken.

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This is all leading back to why Occam's razor says Corrik is scum, in any case.

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(And there is no way we have only 4 scum in 20 with a hyper bomb, I refuse to believe this)

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Like, I don't care how much power town seems to have for the sake of this argument. For there to be 7 antitown in 20 (6 in 18 after the hyper bomb), with what might effectively amount to a serial killer, when town has all of one protective role in the game, sounds like a game that never should have been made.

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Well, technically MZero is claiming a form of protection, too, just not active protection.

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Frankly though I think town is just overpowered and was meant to kill itself. Panthera's role had the ability to cause tremendous chaos, too. That role being hit correctly could easily result in back to back town lynches.

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Mzero could have potentially also be a way to ocinter hyperbomb but ehh that is a 1 in like 14 chance idk man

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An SK that doesn't kill would affect game balance in a different way than one that does. Though one that does is way more obvious so people would actually try to find them.

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uwnim posted...

An SK that doesn't kill would affect game balance in a different way than one that does. Though one that does is way more obvious so people would actually try to find them.

We have two motion detectors and a tracker. Panthera's role easily had the ability to cause two town mislynches in one shot.

You think we're going to have another indy on top of that? Nope.


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Well, technically both motion detectors aren't "confirmed" at the moment, they're just "likely".

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Crescent-Moon posted...

Plum was scanned as "wind chimes" by Red. Wind chimes fits motion detector perfectly, and he was tracked by Sultan to Lea on the night he replaced in. This adds up to a very likely town Plum.

I literally said this multiple times yesterday and Crescent argued til she was blue in the face that Plum was scum. This is a total flip.

Crescent-Moon posted...

MZero is confirmed town unless the remaining layout is exactly one scum/one independent, or unless scum has two bombs on it. I see no reason to believe either. We can also still test his claim essentially for free if we want to.

Not confirmed town. Not in the slightest.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Sultan is confirmed town by Panthera and Tange.

Corrik being town would mean Uwnim (Sultan track), Plum (Red scan, Sultan track), and MZero (Only scum under very specific scenarios that are hard to believe) are town.

Uwnim and Plum are both likely town. Sultan is pretty likely town also.

Yes.

Death has very probable town equity with Panth being scum (and plum and uwnim both likely being town).

Crescent-Moon posted...

This is all we have left. If Corrik is not scum, then we have two scum in that group of three. Minor notes: Corrik disliked my reasons for town reading Damion. Death was the only other one to respond, and he was good with town reading Damion, too. Not enough people responded to this. Panthera's role means the "no motion" scans we have so far probably don't mean much if anything. (I have this weird gut feeling that Panthera's power was used on Lea night 2 and Scare ended up saving the day, but I guess we'll find that out later).

That 2 scum have to be in damion, dels, or DYL is of course laughably wrong.

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Also the fact only 1 vanilla in damien is interesting

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Mm, I suspected 0 or 1 vanillas when I replaced in, so I am not surprised by the claim.

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It's not a total flip on Plum. It's analyzing the data we know based on your claim.

Your claim essentially necessitates Plum is town.

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True was also proved that he didnt move

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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

True was also proved that he didnt move

He has an innocent scan, a no movement scan, and pointed out scum's play day 1.

I'm good with Damion.

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Crescent-Moon posted...

With our current information: Occam's razor says these two things: Town is badly overpowered, and Corrik is scum. His claim also has a level of convenience that it allows him to be seen "acting", without posing any direct threat to scum. He was also the last person to claim an action yesterday, as well as one of the latest claims on day 2. I have the feeling town was meant to cannabilize it's own power, and it didn't. I think that's the "fun" that was supposed to happen in this game.

I was the last person to claim yesterday. I claimed with only 2 unclaimeds left on day 2... which didn't matter cuz obviously my role isn't a role that blends in.

I also pointed out arguments based on timing of claims on others. I have nothing to hide with my actions. It would be highly unlikely a scanner of some sort didn't go to me last night anyways. It doesn't matter.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Though Plum, I have a serious question I want to ask you. Do you think my argument on you was as weak as Corrik says, or do you think his Uwnim argument was garbage like I do (or both, I guess)? I think his case on Uwnim sucked.

They are literally the same exact arguments in reverse. I mentioned this repeatedly. Which is funny cuz you come into today calling Plum town after calling him scum over and over yesterday. lol

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If he hits the tracker's target, sure. The motion detector, well, I wouldn't even consider my own motion tracker motion result as a good reason to lynch someone, let alone one coming from someone else. At most, it should just be something that solidifies an already likely lynch.

Dunno if we would, that's why I'm wanting to talk about it. Like if we talk about it and it ends up being too ridiculous, then that can be rejected.

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Im just throwing out thoughts but yeah damion is town for sure. Still


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uwnim posted...

If he hits the tracker's target, sure. The motion detector, well, I wouldn't even consider my own motion tracker motion result as a good reason to lynch someone, let alone one coming from someone else. At most, it should just be something that solidifies an already likely lynch.

Dunno if we would, that's why I'm wanting to talk about it. Like if we talk about it and it ends up being too ridiculous, then that can be rejected.

It's still a lot of misinformation to spread. It was actually really strong night 3 with a bunch of scum already dead.

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Crescent-Moon posted...

I will claim to make this lynch happen if it is necessary. This is far and above the best lynch. I think he is scum, and his flip will break the game regardless.

You should be claiming regardless. Probably 2 days ago to be honest.

uwnim posted...

When the game didn't go up at 9, I thought it got delayed until tomorrow. <_<

Same lol. I just happened to catch it up when I was on the shitter. lol

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

So i was conflicted on who to track and i really should have went against my instincts and tracked corrik or death like i was thinking

If you didn't track Crescent or me... tsk tsk.

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I still don't feel the need to claim. I'm lynching almost certain scum today.

I'm only doing it if people want me to.

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And I wouldn't be surprised if you were the last scum in the game, either, which would be amusing to finish the game without ever claiming~

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Ive probably been going about playing tracker wrong trying to confirm people.

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I would prefer it if you claimed.

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Creasent i feel has more information then she is letting on tbh

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You also don't seem to realize the reason my tune has changed on Plum is because the likelihood that he is either of the roles that must exist for you to be town is very low.

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Crescent-Moon posted...

And really, Corrik's been demeaning everything I've done since I replaced into the game, so I'm not surprised he brushed me off and claimed something that makes even more sense for him to be scum.

How have I been demeaning to you?

You playing the victim complex game out of nowhere is really 0.o

Because you had a flimsy argument on Plum that I called flimsy?

Because you are either scum trying to mislynch me or town who is being bad and trying to mislynch me? Lol seriously?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

But if plum doesnt give the right answer then maybe it wasnt worthless.

dot dot dot

Crescent-Moon posted...

By the way, given Corrik's claim today: If Corrik is town, Death or MZero must be the "bomb placer". Every other person in the game is cleared.

I am far more willing to believe those two are town than I am willing to believe Corrik is town.

Wrong.

YOU aren't.

Crescent-Moon posted...

(And there is no way we have only 4 scum in 20 with a hyper bomb, I refuse to believe this)

Duh.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Also the fact only 1 vanilla in damien is interesting

I think it points to him being town.

Crescent-Moon posted...

It's not a total flip on Plum. It's analyzing the data we know based on your claim.

Your claim essentially necessitates Plum is town.

You said Plum was town before I revealed he had a bomb on him.

You are straight up lying now.

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You claiming a bomb on Plum today was not expected. I thought you'd continue to claim no bombs on people.

Oh well, a bit of a miscalculation.

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Basically though? I'm not letting BFZ happen again and I'm going to have you lynched even if I have to get myself killed to do it.

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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Ive probably been going about playing tracker wrong trying to confirm people.

Best thing to do with it with two claimed motion detectors is to try to get information on folks who can't be properly checked out with a motion detector. And if you are going to make an attempt to pressure people using it, don't make it really obvious that you tracked them.

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