Poll of the Day > Another Republican governor says people should die to benefit economy

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When compared to keeping the economy shut down, having more people die is the "lesser of two evils"...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/indiana-congressman-says-he-s-willing-let-more-americans-die-n1184036

This comes a few weeks after a Texas Republican made similar comments:

Hollingsworth's sentiment has been expressed before. Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick suggested last month that American seniors should be willing to risk their lives to the virus to preserve the economy.

Love to see those dumb-as-dogshit "Fake news!" assholes from my other topic defend this one.

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It is just an impossible choice governments have to make. Either choice will cause direct and indirect deaths and many a political career will be destroyed over it.

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Let Indiana decide what to do with him. He's not my rep, he don't speak for me.

Nobody was defending anything in your last topic, you got called on shoddy bullshit and you noped out of there instead of confronting it. Now you make another topic to hurl insults from afar. Smh guy.

At least you're the intelligent free thinker right?

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Is he volunteering?

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There's no guarantee you'll get it and no guarantee it'll be serious. Why keep acting like these choices are life or death? None of these choices are easy and all must be taken into account.

The amount of BS flowing from the media is sad. They should be shut down like sports was. If you're not going to be intelligent then get out of the business.

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DPsx7 posted...

Why keep acting like these choices are life or death?

Because they very obviously are.

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DPsx7 posted...

There's no guarantee you'll get it and no guarantee it'll be serious. Why keep acting like these choices are life or death? None of these choices are easy and all must be taken into account.

The amount of BS flowing from the media is sad. They should be shut down like sports was. If you're not going to be intelligent then get out of the business.

This is easy to say WHILE you dont have it and arent dying from it.

Id almost be inclined to agree with you... IF I didnt already know a bunch of HEALTHY people who have succumbed to it. And Im like, Shit, Im healthy too. That could be me. So... for now... Im staying my ass indoors.

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What's he gunna do - force people to work? People aren't just gunna up and start infecting themselves

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DPsx7 posted...

There's no guarantee you'll get it and no guarantee it'll be serious. Why keep acting like these choices are life or death? None of these choices are easy and all must be taken into account.

The amount of BS flowing from the media is sad. They should be shut down like sports was. If you're not going to be intelligent then get out of the business.

Its not just about whether or not youll be fine if you catch it. Its about who you may spread it to that wont be fine if they catch it. Its also about how if hospitals get overrun with coronavirus patients theyll run out of beds and have to decided (not just among coronavirus patients but every sick person) who gets to live and who gets to die (basically a death panel).

How would you feel if someone you knows got sick and the hospitals said they didnt have room for them, they then go home with no treatment and die when they could have survived with treatment? Because thats what the concern here is, its about not overrunning the health care system so that everyone can get the treatment they need!

Lokarin posted...

What's he gunna do - force people to work? People aren't just gunna up and start infecting themselves

Can't speak for other people but while I have healthy savings and investment portfolio, I also don't want to tap into those unless absolutely necessary. If my employer opens back up and says it's time to come back to work, I ain't sayin' no, or I'll be out of a job.

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Far-Queue posted...

Can't speak for other people but while I have healthy savings and investment portfolio, I also don't want to tap into those unless absolutely necessary. If my employer opens back up and says it's time to come back to work, I ain't sayin' no, or I'll be out of a job.

Sure, but reasonable countermeasures can still be made at the workplace such as reasonable distancing and stricture cough control

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Lokarin posted...

Sure, but reasonable countermeasures can still be made at the workplace such as reasonable distancing and stricture cough control

Absolutely, I'm not saying I'm going to run around hugging people when we start up again. Going to wear gloves and mask and sanitize and wash my hands regularly.

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Truth_Decay posted...

When compared to keeping the economy shut down, having more people die is the "lesser of two evils"...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/indiana-congressman-says-he-s-willing-let-more-americans-die-n1184036

This comes a few weeks after a Texas Republican made similar comments:

Love to see those dumb-as-dogshit "Fake news!" assholes from my other topic defend this one.

Considering that your statements are misleading, even young children are smart enough to see through your lies. You claim "another Republican governor" yet instead of posting anything about a first governor, you post remarks made by a congressman. Then when you post your second set of remarks allegedly made by a governor -- for which you provide no link or other verification -- instead the source is a Lt Governor. So your contention is that two governors have made remarks to this effect when NEITHER one you cite is actually a governor. And before you try to argue, "Well, a Lt Governor is basically a governor so you can call them that!," do you also refer to vice presidents as presidents?

I can't recall your last topic, but people are 100% right to call you out on your glaringly #fakenews and it's no wonder you're hiding behind an alt when you post these glaringly misleading/false claims. And that's not even getting into the content of their remarks which differs from your assessment of those remarks.

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Zeus posted...

Considering that your statements are misleading, even young children are smart enough to see through your lies. You claim "another Republican governor" yet instead of posting anything about a first governor, you post remarks made by a congressman. Then when you post your second set of remarks allegedly made by a governor -- for which you provide no link or other verification -- instead the source is a Lt Governor. So your contention is that two governors have made remarks to this effect when NEITHER one you cite is actually a governor. And before you try to argue, "Well, a Lt Governor is basically a governor so you can call them that!," do you also refer to vice presidents as presidents?

I can't recall your last topic, but people are 100% right to call you out on your glaringly #fakenews and it's no wonder you're hiding behind an alt when you post these glaringly misleading/false claims. And that's not even getting into the content of their remarks which differs from your assessment of those remarks.

This is the kind of nitpicking that people resort to in order to defend lunacy like this. Okay, so TC mixed up their job titles. It's remains true that two separate Republican politicians said they would put the economy ahead of individual lives.

Lokarin posted...

Sure, but reasonable countermeasures can still be made at the workplace such as reasonable distancing and stricture cough control

That's really got nothing to do with opening the economy.

Frowning_Sage posted...

This is the kind of nitpicking that people resort to in order to defend lunacy like this

Zeus's wasnt defending this topic. This is the kind of illiteracy that people resort to in order to be mad at people for reasons

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People should back to work! Not people that I know though, I like them and want them to be safe. Other people.

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adjl posted...

Because they very obviously are.

Prove.

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HornedLion posted...

This is easy to say WHILE you dont have it and arent dying from it.

Id almost be inclined to agree with you... IF I didnt already know a bunch of HEALTHY people who have succumbed to it. And Im like, Shit, Im healthy too. That could be me. So... for now... Im staying my ass indoors.

Not to say they didn't have underlying conditions that weren't known. Without making light of the situation the fact remains that most people aren't going to get that bad. But if you know a lot of people or work in a city then yeah statistically you'll see more.

The thing people fail to realize is restrictions can be lifted without forcing you to do anything. If a person still has or feels a need to stay away from others there's nothing wrong with that. The title here is grossly misleading.

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Then may he be next.

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

It is just an impossible choice governments have to make. Either choice will cause direct and indirect deaths and many a political career will be destroyed over it.

This. This issue is not black and white and people need to stop acting that way and being self-righteous.

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There are ways to start easing up stay at home measures while still being smart about it, but the current White House really lacks the consistent messaging to manage that kind of thing across the country. And it simply wont work if we have a patchwork of some states doing one thing and other places throwing caution to the wind. Its going to take an actual plan to get things back to normal or close to it.

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DPsx7 posted...

Prove.

Countries with stricter lockdowns have fewer deaths than countries with more lenient ones. Oh hey that means that choice had life and death consequences! That was hard.

DPsx7 posted...

Without making light of the situation the fact remains that most people aren't going to get that bad.

Most aren't, no. That doesn't mean a whole lot of people aren't going to die if restrictions are lifted this soon. Hundreds of thousands of people may not be a majority, but dismissing it because it's a minority doesn't change that it's still hundreds of thousands of people.

DPsx7 posted...

The thing people fail to realize is restrictions can be lifted without forcing you to do anything. If a person still has or feels a need to stay away from others there's nothing wrong with that. The title here is grossly misleading.

And how do you propose making sure that everyone has the information they need to know who to stay away from? This thing can be transmitted asymptomatically for two weeks. You can't avoid that without avoiding everyone. There's also no shortage of young and/or healthy people (as much as I'm sure you'd like to presume they all had undiagnosed underlying conditions, you have no concrete reason to believe that and therefore shouldn't be making that assumption) being killed by it, so nobody can say that they're safe enough to not need to avoid it.

And then there's the point that people who refuse to return to work after their work reopens stand a good chance of being fired for it, so you really can't say that the decision is completely voluntary.

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Veedrock- posted...

Zeus's wasnt defending this topic. This is the kind of illiteracy that people resort to in order to be mad at people for reasons

Saying this entire topic is misleading and false is not defending?? lmao

This topic is about a politician saying the economy comes before people's lives - it's a 100% stone cold fact that he said this.

Saying some details are incorrect is fair.

Saying the whole thing is "glaringly #fakenews" and has "glaringly misleading/false claims" is defending this horseshit and serves as yet another example of Zeus and your ignorance.

What am I ignorant to? Humor me.

Remember you're the grounded mature intellectual. This should be easy.

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The fact that you can't recognize Zeus defending this clown is proof of your ignorance.

Zeus posted...

it's no wonder you're hiding behind an alt

lol don't you have like 50 alts bruh?

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Frowning_Sage posted...

The fact that you can't recognize Zeus defending this clown is proof of your ignorance.

Very convincing. No way your bias would impact your ability to interpret Zeus' post.

I see Zeus calling out a bogus "reporter" that regularly misleads and can't proofread let alone fact check. That's it. You're ignorant for using the fallacy of extremes to draw a line between responding to bullshit (remember TC fired shots in the first post) and supporting a person and statement he never even addressed.

No more compliments for you. You are not an intellectual, mature, or free thinking. You're so thirsty to feel superior to others that you lie and insult just to get that high and flee when there's any chance of being brought down. It's why you bounced (pun) out of the check thread and why you'll bounce out of here.

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adjl posted...

Countries with stricter lockdowns have fewer deaths than countries with more lenient ones. Oh hey that means that choice had life and death consequences! That was hard.

Most aren't, no. That doesn't mean a whole lot of people aren't going to die if restrictions are lifted this soon. Hundreds of thousands of people may not be a majority, but dismissing it because it's a minority doesn't change that it's still hundreds of thousands of people.

And how do you propose making sure that everyone has the information they need to know who to stay away from? This thing can be transmitted asymptomatically for two weeks. You can't avoid that without avoiding everyone. There's also no shortage of young and/or healthy people (as much as I'm sure you'd like to presume they all had undiagnosed underlying conditions, you have no concrete reason to believe that and therefore shouldn't be making that assumption) being killed by it, so nobody can say that they're safe enough to not need to avoid it.

And then there's the point that people who refuse to return to work after their work reopens stand a good chance of being fired for it, so you really can't say that the decision is completely voluntary.

We did lock down. Then people said 'you can't tell me what to do' and did what they wanted. They chose freedom over safety which makes it no fault of Trump's. Try again.

Doesn't have to be hundreds of thousands. That 'what if' can go either way.

I don't think that's true. You will have some symptoms but maybe mistake it for allergies. Really there's no concrete proof for either side, every day they claim something different.

Can't help ya there. Jobs need employees, how long must they wait for you to decide? If someone comes along willing to do the job now then why refuse? There won't be an easy rule for this.

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so you want people to starve? at risk should isolate themselves, not everyone. people need to work to make money
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Veedrock- posted...

More ignorance.

Wasn't aware that my responding to your posts and pointing out (correctly) how you're being ignorant counts as "bouncing out" of the topic, but okay. Whatever helps you sleep tonight.

It sounds like the governor has stake in the funeral business.

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DPsx7 posted...

We did lock down. Then people said 'you can't tell me what to do' and did what they wanted. They chose freedom over safety which makes it no fault of Trump's. Try again.

Where did I blame Trump? This is a broader issue with lockdown measures, of which Trump is only part.

DPsx7 posted...

Doesn't have to be hundreds of thousands. That 'what if' can go either way.

If measures are lifted and people are free to go about their business? It will be. Almost certainly. That "what if" is based on the current success of distancing measures. Get rid of those measures, and it very much won't "go either way."

DPsx7 posted...

I don't think that's true. You will have some symptoms but maybe mistake it for allergies. Really there's no concrete proof for either side, every day they claim something different.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/04/13/831883560/can-a-coronavirus-patient-who-isnt-showing-symptoms-infect-others

That's a nice roundup of some literature on the subject. You'll see conflicting information here and there, but it's pretty certain at this point that transmission can happen before symptoms actually start, which is why isolating people as soon as they become symptomatic hasn't been enough to keep it from spreading through nursing homes and the like.

Even if we do want to say that a- and presymptomatic transmission aren't actually issues and ignore that inconvenient piece of empirical reality, avoiding people with symptoms still isn't really a viable strategy because you can't tell they're symptomatic until you've already been exposed. You can't wait until somebody coughs and then avoid them, because by then they've already coughed around you. It's too late.

DPsx7 posted...

Can't help ya there. Jobs need employees, how long must they wait for you to decide? If someone comes along willing to do the job now then why refuse? There won't be an easy rule for this.

The easy rule is to keep non-essential stuff closed until this has blown over enough for everything to reopen safely. If you let businesses reopen too soon, then you're sentencing the people who are being responsible and safe to unemployment. It's that simple.

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Frowning_Sage posted...

This is the kind of nitpicking that people resort to in order to defend lunacy like this. Okay, so TC mixed up their job titles. It's remains true that two separate Republican politicians said they would put the economy ahead of individual lives.

You had to jump on two separate alts to support horseshit like this? LOL!

Frowning_Sage posted...

Saying this entire topic is misleading and false is not defending?? lmao

This topic is about a politician saying the economy comes before people's lives - it's a 100% stone cold fact that he said this.

Saying some details are incorrect is fair.

Saying the whole thing is "glaringly #fakenews" and has "glaringly misleading/false claims" is defending this horseshit and serves as yet another example of Zeus and your ignorance.

He was saying I wasn't defending ignorance because I wasn't defending this (or more specifically your) topic. Your post supports that, since the only one defending your topic is you.

Far-Queue posted...

lol don't you have like 50 alts bruh?

I don't. And even when I had a lot of alts, I never pretended that they weren't me and went out of my way to identify myself. You should know better. Shame, Far-Queue, shame.

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Zeus posted...

You had to jump on two separate alts to support horseshit like this? LOL!

He was saying I wasn't defending ignorance because I wasn't defending this (or more specifically your) topic. Your post supports that, since the only one defending your topic is you.

I don't. And even when I had a lot of alts, I never pretended that they weren't me and went out of my way to identify myself. You should know better. Shame, Far-Queue, shame.

All of this, and he still doesn't respond to the key question of why he chose to focus on the job titles of the Republicans involved instead of giving an opinion on their priorities.

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While i don't believe "news" like this for one second; if someone is going to go and say the economy would be better off if more people died then the least they should do is start the ball rolling themselves and go jump in front of a truck.

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Far-Queue posted...

lol don't you have like 50 alts bruh?

Don't you?

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adjl posted...

All of this, and he still doesn't respond to the key question of why he chose to focus on the job titles of the Republicans involved instead of giving an opinion on their priorities.

All of this, and he ignores the headline which specifically makes a big deal about two governors doing it... and then also ignores that their comments aren't anything like what he claimed that they said. Granted, you'd hardly notice because you play it very fast and loose with the truth, often bending it until it breaks to suit your agenda. It's certainly not unlike when you defended glaringly fake allegations about China's death toll and then justified it with a, "Well, China might have lied, but this story -- which is based around that lie -- is still valid because it's a problem here!"


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SunWuKung420 posted...

Don't you?

No I only have 49 alts.

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DPsx7 posted...

We did lock down. Then people said 'you can't tell me what to do' and did what they wanted. They chose freedom over safety which makes it no fault of Trump's. Try again.

Doesn't have to be hundreds of thousands. That 'what if' can go either way.

I don't think that's true. You will have some symptoms but maybe mistake it for allergies. Really there's no concrete proof for either side, every day they claim something different.

Can't help ya there. Jobs need employees, how long must they wait for you to decide? If someone comes along willing to do the job now then why refuse? There won't be an easy rule for this.

We never locked down uniformly. Trump never issued the united states to lock down, uniformly. He left it up to state and local governments who then either did stay at home orders or semi-lockdowns at different times. Which is why every single state is going to have their individual peaks with the virus. Which makes Trump's recent temper tantrum over claiming it's his "call" to "reopen" the country EXTREMELY LAUGHABLE considering he never even closed it. It would have been more beneficial if Donald J. Trump had actually squeaked the hamster wheel in his brain to a spin, and actually ordered the United States to lock down so there is ONE uniform peak instead of a wave of peaks.

If we had a federal lockdown to enforce in the first place, maybe people would've listened, or in the least-- like I said there would have been something to enforce with possible consequences if you don't listen.

Trump sure isn't taking responsibility for his mega mess up in dealing with this trainwreck, regardless of it being all him or not. Undeniably, he didn't respond fast enough. He also didn't tell people to stop going out fast enough- which is in the same vein as not taking action fast enough regarding the virus- and promoted conspiracy culture to boot. All to serve some selfish and weird purpose for his reputation. He's always trying to erase "bad things" from his track record.

Anyways, enough about him. You seem content to say "well we don't know if people will get sick, we don't know if people wont"..........That's just it, we don't enough about the virus to go play OH we'll just see what happens if we REOPEN the economy and send people back out to be around each other again (regardless of social distancing or any attempts at creating safety precautions). What's likely going to happen is America's most vulnerable, who don't get paid enough or treated well enough to do the jobs they're doing, are going to have to go back to their jobs because their livelihoods depend on that income-- and then they'll be the most adversely affected.

There also hasn't been enough testing to show the actual amount of just how MANY people in the U.S. have this new virus. Only .5% to 1% of the total population has been tested, which is FAR less than many, many other countries.

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China is looking to have a second wave from reopening their country after months of shut downs.

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