Current Events > Episode 9 is one of the most stupid and anger-inducing films ever made. spoilers

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Go away, please, Episode 9.

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but they fly now

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And it's still not as bad as TLJ!
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I don't get the Star Wars stuff

The prequels were so bad i stopped watching or caring.

Now fans flock by the millions to see the new bad movies just to whine about how bad they are.

And it's like "Why don't you just... Not watch them?"

Same thing with Discovery and Picard.

Sometimes it's just time to say goodbye to a franchise
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That "But there are more of us" scene was pretty great though

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UnfairRepresent posted...

I don't get the Star Wars stuff

The prequels were so bad i stopped watching or caring...

same!

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UnfairRepresent posted...

I don't get the Star Wars stuff

The prequels were so bad i stopped watching or caring.

Now fans flock by the millions to see the new bad movies just to whine about how bad they are.

And it's like "Why don't you just... Not watch them?"

Same thing with Discovery and Picard.

Sometimes it's just time to say goodbye to a franchise

If you love something and want it to improve, abandoning it is not always the best option. That said, Ill be damned if I pay to see a SW movie again after episode 7.

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7 was surprisingly decent.

Retread a lot of ground, sure, but it at least worked as a movie.

9... I literally have more complaimts about 9 than about 2. Now 2's problems were definitely bigger but still.

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Cheese_Crackers posted...

If you love something and want it to improve, abandoning it is not always the best option. That said, Ill be damned if I pay to see a SW movie again after episode 7.

I'll admit I'm not the biggest SW fan. My favorite part of the franchise was KOTOR

But I am a huge Star Trek fan and abandoning the ship is absolutely the best option

Let it go. Let new IPs grow. Watching shit that sucks out of loyalty to when it was good decades ago is a form of madness.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I'll admit I'm not the biggest SW fan. My favorite part of the franchise was KOTOR

But I am a huge Star Trek fan and abandoning the ship is absolutely the best option

Let it go. Let new IPs grow. Watching shit that sucks out of loyalty to when it was good decades ago is a form of madness.

Its not necessarily about loyalty. For me its about trying to understand and break down what makes these movies so much worse than the originals (and the prequels in some cases). Besides the nostalgia factor, I just enjoy analyzing them.

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Episode 9 wasn't the movie we deserved, but it was the movie we needed. It finally united the fanbase so split over TLJ, now we all agree that the sequel trilogy was complete trash

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Episode 9 was the best of the entire saga imo, think about when they said (Ep. 9 SPOILERS)They fly now! Wow, Ill be watching this series 1-9 with my grandkids someday and I cant wait to see (and maybe film?) their reactions to such an iconic moment in cinematic history.

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The really eye-opening thing about 9 was that nobody likes having fun at the theater anymore-- even at a dang Star Wars movie.

They throw in one fun scene about storm troopers flying and it becomes a meme of ridicule.

I mean, the movie had problems--lots of them, in fact--but literally the one time I cracked a smile everyone else had a small amount of fun and hated it.

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DevsBro posted...

The really eye-opening thing about 9 was that nobody likes having fun at the theater anymore-- even at a dang Star Wars movie.

They throw in one fun scene about storm troopers flying and it becomes a meme of ridicule.

I mean, the movie had problems--lots of them, in fact--but literally the one time I cracked a smile everyone else had a small amount of fun and hated it.

People like having fun at good movies

Don't blame the audience
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DevsBro posted...

The really eye-opening thing about 9 was that nobody likes having fun at the theater anymore-- even at a dang Star Wars movie.

They throw in one fun scene about storm troopers flying and it becomes a meme of ridicule.

I mean, the movie had problems--lots of them, in fact--but literally the one time I cracked a smile everyone else had a small amount of fun and hated it.

Sorry that you've been discouraged. But there have always been audiences that go to movies purely for fun, and audiences that are more critical.

Neither is better than the other, but the latter, especially those that are big fans of Star Wars, see a scene like that and think about the other instances of flying Storm Troopers in Star Wars canon. The disregard for internal logic kind of dampens the fun.

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DevsBro posted...

The really eye-opening thing about 9 was that nobody likes having fun at the theater anymore-- even at a dang Star Wars movie.

They throw in one fun scene about storm troopers flying and it becomes a meme of ridicule.

I mean, the movie had problems--lots of them, in fact--but literally the one time I cracked a smile everyone else had a small amount of fun and hated it.

Exactly! One of the best parts (the best part?) of Star Wars ever, imo.

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I am ALL THE SITH!!!
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This timeline had the chance to take George Lucas' story treatment, with all the OG actors sign on, and Disney's resources to create the concluding chapters of a multi-generational event.

I'm perfectly fine with just pretending that the Disney trilogy was never made
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The new trilogy is still way better than the prequel and original trilogy.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

I'm perfectly fine with just pretending that the Disney trilogy was never made

I'm on this train of thought.

The original trilogy cast deserved better. Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson gave the Star Wars franchise FOX DIE.

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I thought it was fine. There's less cringe than the prequels and re-releases. Lucas would have done so much worse if he kept it going and was coming up with some baffling things (how are we supposed to take the name "Darth Icky" seriously?)

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Taharqa_ posted...

I'm on this train of thought.

The original trilogy cast deserved better. Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson gave the Star Wars franchise FOX DIE.

I think the worst thing they did was to shoehorn Carrie Fisher's Leia into Episode 9 by cutting and pasting unused lines. It was SO obvious with the way they shot scenes and the way that she never said anything specific to the plot.

The respectful move would have been to re-cast Leia and let her story finish as they originally planned (if they had even planned it?). Based on Rogue One we know CGI wouldn't have been good enough, and the way they ended up doing it was distasteful. Sure, it was nice to see Carrie on screen one last time, but I'm willing to bet that she wouldn't be happy with the new Leia scenes if she saw them.

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

This timeline had the chance to take George Lucas' story treatment, with all the OG actors sign on, and Disney's resources to create the concluding chapters of a multi-generational event.

Just imagine how much worse it would have been.

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DevsBro posted...

Just imagine how much worse it would have been.

I would honestly accept whatever happens as long as it came from the source (George Lucas). Especially since the whole prophecy, Sith, midichlorians, Whills etc were part of productiin since the OT.

With the main three trilogies out of the way, I wouldn't care if Disney resurrected Jabba the Hutt and strapped a jet pack on him. We would have gotten the true conclusion.

Everything worked out so conveniently for the plot it was like watching a video game story unfold.


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DevsBro posted...

Just imagine how much worse it would have been.

Nah it would have been ok. George learned his lesson, just look at The Clone Wars series.

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ViewtifulGrave posted...

Nah it would have been ok. George learned his lesson, just look at The Clone Wars series.

I'd rather not

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DevsBro posted...

The really eye-opening thing about 9 was that nobody likes having fun at the theater anymore-- even at a dang Star Wars movie.

They throw in one fun scene about storm troopers flying and it becomes a meme of ridicule.

I mean, the movie had problems--lots of them, in fact--but literally the one time I cracked a smile everyone else had a small amount of fun and hated it.

There's a lot of dumb little fun moments in the sequels that made me smile, but everyone seems to hate them because...I dunno. I think the worst thing about the sequel trilogy is that 'making fun of the silly ass shit in Star Wars movies' is territory that is now primarily occupied by people with violent rage boners and very thin trousers. I saw the "they fly now?!" thing in the teaser, and my first thought was 'Yes, this is Star Wars, this is the real shit' and, well, at that point I really shouldn't have been so surprised that so many other people were in a Biblical frenzy over a most supreme heresy, but I was.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I saw the "they fly now?!" thing in the teaser, and my first thought was 'Yes, this is Star Wars, this is the real s***'

This is the real disagreement. What people believe star wars to represent.

Some want blockbuster movies. Others want a well thought out story.

I don't think "they fly now?!" and "a well thought out story" are mutually exclusive.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I don't think "they fly now?!" and "a well thought out story" are mutually exclusive.

The reason people keep making fun of the line is because jetpack troopers have been around since at least the clone wars. I'm 75% sure the main thought that went into this writing was "this might be good for a trailer clip"

I'm pretty sure most people don't really care about the Clone Wars show. I certainly don't. And it certainly doesn't have anything to do with being a well-thought-out story.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

it certainly doesn't have anything to do with being a well-thought-out story.

It does in this case. When you make a movie or show or any other narrative work that's set in a pre-established universe, you are obligated to follow the rules and know the history of that universe. Failure to do so indicates a lack of research and care in your work.

Don't get me wrong, Stormtroopers flying is a pretty insignificant detail, but there are more egregious examples.

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Cheese_Crackers posted...

It does in this case. When you make a movie or show or any other narrative work that's set in a pre-established universe, you are obligated to follow the rules and know the history of that universe. Failure to do so indicates a lack of research and care in your work.

Don't get me wrong, Stormtroopers flying is a pretty insignificant detail, but there are more egregious examples. For example, in the opening of Episode 8, the bombers that they use are apparently so flimsy that a shot from a TIE fighter can destroy them, and they move at a small fraction of the speed of a regular star fighter. They're terrible, so they must be the only bombers that the resistance has, right? Well, the rebels had the B-wings in the original trilogy, which are bombers that are as fast as X-wings and equally as resilient. If the resistance is going to be using these terrible bombers, the writers need to explain why they can't use B-wings. But they didn't, because the director wanted to evoke a certain feeling with the scene, and that came at the expense of ignoring the established universe.

Who says they were ignoring it?

Maybe you're the one ignoring the in-universe rule that not everyone knows everything.

It was established in The Empire Strikes Back, when Vader didn't know Luke's identity and later Luke didn't know Vader's identity.

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DevsBro posted...

Who says they were ignoring it?

Maybe you're the one ignoring the in-universe rule that not everyone knows everything.

3Po knows everything. Finn was a former storm trooper lol.

This wild be like if Alan Grant was amazed to hear they resurrected dinosaurs in Jurassic Park 3.
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DevsBro posted...

Who says they were ignoring it?

Maybe you're the one ignoring the in-universe rule that not everyone knows everything.

It was established in The Empire Strikes Back, when Vader didn't know Luke's identity and later Luke didn't know Vader's identity.

Finn worked for the First Order. Why wouldn't he know?

The Stormtrooper flying isn't a hill I want to die on. It's just a small example of a larger problem.

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lilORANG posted...

3Po knows everything. Finn was a former storm trooper lol.

This wild be like if Alan Grant was amazed to hear they resurrected dinosaurs in Jurassic Park 3.

Was Finn even that old? Do they even tell Storm Troopers anything?

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Episode 9 wasn't a bad movie, but it was a bad Star Wars Film. If it wasn't the Star Wars canon and characters I am invested in being ragdolled all over this movie, I might enjoy how campy and Goonies-esque it is on face value.

The whole movie puts no actual emotional investment into any of the characters. Everything that went against the grain of the Sequel Trilogy in TLJ to provide fans with surprises are now reversed.

Rose saves Finn's life out of love and compassion for her friends and then in episode 9 they aren't even on speaking terms?

The whole training sequence with Leah and Rey played like it was a backstory in a superhero movie.

Star Wars movies are divided into episodes because of the weight of the Star Wars universe.

Rise of the Skywalker throws it out the window and and crams every unused crumb of story concept into the movie, in hopes of distracting you from how disappointed you are just to be there. It doesn't work.

Also, force-healing or "midi-chlorian transfer" is a plot device so pretentious it upsets me. Darth Vader becomes the strongest and most evil Sith Lord ever to save the ones he loves and Rey learns it over vacation to save a relationship she's luke-warm about?! Also, Baby Yoda can't even wipe his own ass but can use this power?!

Hollow and horrid film and blatant cash-grab. Fans are disappointed JJ.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Sometimes it's just time to say goodbye to a franchise

That's for me to decide, not you.

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tHeY fLy nOw?

tHeY fLy nOw!

DevsBro posted...

I'd rather not

Why not?

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ViewtifulGrave posted...

Why not?

George Lucas creation
Prequel era
Cartoon

It's like asking why I don't want to play Masters of Teras Scazi or whatever

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