Current Events > 9 > 7 > 4 = 10 > 6 > 5 > 12 > 8 >1 = 2 = 3 > 15 > 13

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9 is wayyyyy too high

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Literally the only downside to 9 is that it cane out too close to the end of the ps1 lifespan.

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Garioshi posted...

12 is way too high

it should be higher

swap 12 and 4

4 while great at the time is super meh today

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Evening_Dragon posted...

All that really matters is 9 being on top.

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FabIemaster posted...

Literally the only downside to 9 is that it cane out too close to the end of the ps1 lifespan.

I love 9, its probably my favorite of the series, but even I know there are problems with the game. Zidanes trance mode is lackluster, and Necron shouldn't have been in the game.

Ivany2008 posted...

I love 9, its probably my favorite of the series, but even I know there are problems with the game. Zidanes trance mode is lackluster, and Necron shouldn't have been in the game.

I get where you're coming from but I do have an explanation/justification for that I'll go into when I go on my lunch break.

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Personally I think FF peaked in the 6-9 era. Those games sort of refined the classic formula with variations, some good, some bad. After that I think it goes steady downhill, before I think there are nuggets of good stuff that either aged too poorly or was in the middle of other crap.

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scar the 1 posted...

Personally I think FF peaked in the 6-9 era. Those games sort of refined the classic formula with variations, some good, some bad. After that I think it goes steady downhill, before I think there are nuggets of good stuff that either aged too poorly or was in the middle of other crap.

4 through 10 were the best of the bunch. Everything since the merger has just gone downhill. I wish they would separate the two. Keep Final Fantasy Turn-based and start a new franchise for the action games.

I'd move 5 into 6's spot and 13 after 5.

6 is extremely overrated while 13 is extremely overhated. I don't mind linear games so 13 was fine to me, especially it's take on the battle system.

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That's not the order I would have settled on, how dare.

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FabIemaster posted...

Literally the only downside to 9 is that it cane out too close to the end of the ps1 lifespan.

After I got the game, I didn't play it much for like half a year because I was so invested in the Dreamcast, and even then, I never beat it. Skies of Arcadia and Grandia 2 held my attention first. A lot of people didn't give a shit about PS1 at that point.

But now, yeah, it's one of my favorite FFs.

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Ivany2008 posted...

4 through 10 were the best of the bunch. Everything since the merger has just gone downhill. I wish they would separate the two. Keep Final Fantasy Turn-based and start a new franchise for the action games.

I really think 4, 5 and 10 are a tier below

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6 > 9 > 12 > 4 > 5 > 10 > 3 > 1 > 8 > 15 > 13 = 2 > 7

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Morpheus102686 posted...

6 > 9 > 12 > 4 > 5 > 10 > 3 > 1 > 8 > 15 > 13 = 2 > 7

wat
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Unknown5uspect posted...

You know your list is full of shit when 13 and 15 are below 1, 2, 3, and 8.

I don't give a damn how much you hate them they're literally better than those games.

1 and 2 are actually good games though.

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the hate for 8 is surreal
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4 > 9 > 10 > 7 > 5 > 1 = 3 > 8 > 12 > 15 > 2 > 13 > 6

I know many people won't agree with that.

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No idea why people had an issue with Necron at the end of FFIX. It's literally just death. There's nothing else to it.

VI should be way higher, but I agree on everything else except for a few nit-picks.

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Tactics = 7 > 8 > 9 > 6 > Crisis Core > 5 > 10 > 12 > 4 =1 > 3 > 2 >15 > 13

Y'all leaving out some legit titles. Tactics and Crisis core were up there in the rankings.

The MMOs and the whack titles like Dirge of Cerberus, X2, mystic quest, crystal chronicles, etc etc... They are really only final fantasy in title only. They deserve no place in the rankings.

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scaler24 posted...

No idea why people had an issue with Necron at the end of FFIX. It's literally just death. There's nothing else to it.

VI should be way higher, but I agree on everything else except for a few nit-picks.

Because it appears out of nowhere. There is no storyline outside 1 book referencing him in the entire game. End off at Kuja. Death or not, he was a pointless villain.

Ivany2008 posted...

Because it appears out of nowhere.

Again, it's literal death. It's not a villain. It wasn't something orchestrating in the background. It's a representation of Death as a concept that the party has to beat because they just got killed by Kuja.

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HagenEx posted...

Are we taking the entire 13 trilogy into consideration?

I would, but many wouldn't because that also would tether-rank 10-2 to 10.
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DevsBro posted...

I have no idea how I'm supposed to read this? Is 2 the favorite, or 6, and what are the tildes supposed to mean?

All main-line FF games, ranked, from lowest [Left] to highest [Right]:

2 << 1 < 13 < 3 ~ 11 < 14 ~ 15 < 8 < 5 < 4 ~ 10 < 12 < 7 ~ 9 << 6

< == "[L] has a lower averaged rank-score than [R]"
<< == "[L] has a much lower averaged rank-score than [R]"
~ == "[L] has approximately the same averaged rank-score as [R]"

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bladegash posted...

Tactics = 7 > 8 > 9 > 6 > Crisis Core > 5 > 10 > 12 > 4 =1 > 3 > 2 >15 > 13

Y'all leaving out some legit titles. Tactics and Crisis core were up there in the rankings.

The MMOs and the whack titles like Dirge of Cerberus, X2, mystic quest, crystal chronicles, etc etc... They are really only final fantasy in title only. They deserve no place in the rankings.

Tactics is great and the best in the series easily with spinoffs counted. I just didnt include it as TC didnt count spinoffs. Other Matsuno games that are also fantastic include Tactics Ogre, Vagrant Story, etc.

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Ivany2008 posted...

I love 9, its probably my favorite of the series, but even I know there are problems with the game. Zidanes trance mode is lackluster, and Necron shouldn't have been in the game.

**Spoilers for FFIX**

That's the problem with the negative stigma with the final boss of 9. You have to look at the bigger picture. The theme of Final Fantasy IX is death and mortality. The characters all deal with their own view of mortality differently. When Vivi learns he was created with a short lifespan he gets extremely depressed and it takes Zidane to convince him to make the most of the life he was given and support his friends. Kuja responds to his own mortality by figuring since death is inevitable, might as well blow up the universe since we all die anyway.

Zidane for the entire game has himself pretty much figured out and becomes the shoulder to lean on. Which was a great breath of fresh air compared to the previous 2 entries to the series. Once he finds out that he was created to essentially destroy Terra and all of its inhabitants, he doesn't snap like Kuja but he throws away his friends. He feels like his whole life was a lie and starts one of the best sequences in a FF game. He felt so isolated and alone because he didn't want to be the one thing to take away everything from everyone else. One by one, all of his friends that he help hold up throughout the whole game start to hold him up and prove to him that he is not and was never really alone.

Back to Necron, when Kuja finally does realize his goal and self-destructs, he actually does kill the party. So there you have Necron who is an embodiment of death itself. This big huge enemy has existed since the beginning of the game. He was there whenever there was death. Looming in the background. You never saw him because you don't "see" death. It just happens. So now each and every party member knows what they're fighting for and resist death to keep it from resetting the universe.

Also yeah Kuja could kick Sephiroth's ass.

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FabIemaster posted...

**Spoilers for FFIX**

SNIP

Perfect explanation.

<i>Also yeah Kuja could kick Sephiroth's ass.</i>

Kuja destroys a planet, Rips a hole in the universe to get to the crystal, kills the party, the rescues them from the zero world.

Thats some amazing feats, topping Exdeath(ripping holes but can control it)and Spehiroth(ultima>meteor) and Kefka.(actually destroys Terra as opposed to disfiguring the planet).

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That's a pretty good take on Necron. For me IX is middle of the pack because I dislike how slowly combat runs and I'm not a fan of having all ability learning tied to wearing specific equipment.

DavidZ2844 posted...

Can you just confirm if it's Final Fantasy or not TC, geez

@FabIemaster you really just gonna straight up ignore me like that bro? Cmon :(

andri_g posted...

Survey: FF main-line game ranking articles from seven unrelated, reputable, review sites (results averaged):

2 << 1 < 13 < 3 ~ 11 < 14 ~ 15 < 8 < 5 < 4 ~ 10 < 12 < 7 ~ 9 << 6

Wtf even is that meant to represent

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DavidZ2844 posted...

@FabIemaster you really just gonna straight up ignore me like that bro? Cmon :(

oops yeah it ff

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kurdt032 posted...

Wtf even is that meant to represent

See post #72.

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FabIemaster posted...

**Spoilers for FFIX**

That's the problem with the negative stigma with the final boss of 9. You have to look at the bigger picture. The theme of Final Fantasy IX is death and mortality. The characters all deal with their own view of mortality differently. When Vivi learns he was created with a short lifespan he gets extremely depressed and it takes Zidane to convince him to make the most of the life he was given and support his friends. Kuja responds to his own mortality by figuring since death is inevitable, might as well blow up the universe since we all die anyway.

Zidane for the entire game has himself pretty much figured out and becomes the shoulder to lean on. Which was a great breath of fresh air compared to the previous 2 entries to the series. Once he finds out that he was created to essentially destroy Terra and all of its inhabitants, he doesn't snap like Kuja but he throws away his friends. He feels like his whole life was a lie and starts one of the best sequences in a FF game. He felt so isolated and alone because he didn't want to be the one thing to take away everything from everyone else. One by one, all of his friends that he help hold up throughout the whole game start to hold him up and prove to him that he is not and was never really alone.

Back to Necron, when Kuja finally does realize his goal and self-destructs, he actually does kill the party. So there you have Necron who is an embodiment of death itself. This big huge enemy has existed since the beginning of the game. He was there whenever there was death. Looming in the background. You never saw him because you don't "see" death. It just happens. So now each and every party member knows what they're fighting for and resist death to keep it from resetting the universe.

Also yeah Kuja could kick Sephiroth's ass.

Kinda reminds me of solid snake and naomi hunter's conversation at the end of mgs1

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Necron is a stupid last boss and no theorising is changing that.

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I mean it's not really a theory but ok.

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I don't really get what people like so much about 4. Maybe the PSP version is just a bad representation. Move that to the bottom half and I'm in general agreement.

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Jabodie posted...

I don't really get what people like so much about 4. Maybe the PSP version is just a bad representation. Move that to the bottom half and I'm in general agreement.

PSP is actually my favorite version. Some people prefer the DS version, but that one had a couple of issues and I'm not a big fan of the 3D models. Much prefer the super clean sprites with gorgeous spell effects.

The After Years is bad fanfiction though.

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Jabodie posted...

I don't really get what people like so much about 4. Maybe the PSP version is just a bad representation. Move that to the bottom half and I'm in general agreement.

Largely that it was the first one to use lots of features that would become series staples for the next several installments. ATB, dialog-heavy, characters with their own personalities, etc.

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Basically 4 is the classic example of what your standard JRPG should look like. It didn't have the limit breaks of 7 and beyond, but it had a a great story, likable characters, and a plot that was easy to follow. That isn't to say there weren't bad things about it, they could have used a better design for Cecil in the later game, but that's neither here nor there.

Personally I think 4 aged a lot worse than its successors. There's no customization, literally the only way you can change your party is to level up. Interface is still clunky (significantly improved in 5), and frankly I don't really care for the plot.

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Solid Fire Emblem ranking. I know that 14 (Fates) is controversial but I think that Conquest at least is worth a try.
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2 belongs on the bottom, it's legit a bad game.

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FabIemaster posted...

**Spoilers for FFIX**

That's the problem with the negative stigma with the final boss of 9. You have to look at the bigger picture. The theme of Final Fantasy IX is death and mortality. The characters all deal with their own view of mortality differently. When Vivi learns he was created with a short lifespan he gets extremely depressed and it takes Zidane to convince him to make the most of the life he was given and support his friends. Kuja responds to his own mortality by figuring since death is inevitable, might as well blow up the universe since we all die anyway.

Zidane for the entire game has himself pretty much figured out and becomes the shoulder to lean on. Which was a great breath of fresh air compared to the previous 2 entries to the series. Once he finds out that he was created to essentially destroy Terra and all of its inhabitants, he doesn't snap like Kuja but he throws away his friends. He feels like his whole life was a lie and starts one of the best sequences in a FF game. He felt so isolated and alone because he didn't want to be the one thing to take away everything from everyone else. One by one, all of his friends that he help hold up throughout the whole game start to hold him up and prove to him that he is not and was never really alone.

Back to Necron, when Kuja finally does realize his goal and self-destructs, he actually does kill the party. So there you have Necron who is an embodiment of death itself. This big huge enemy has existed since the beginning of the game. He was there whenever there was death. Looming in the background. You never saw him because you don't "see" death. It just happens. So now each and every party member knows what they're fighting for and resist death to keep it from resetting the universe.

Also yeah Kuja could kick Sephiroth's ass.

Even if he does make sense thematically, he still kinda pops up out of nowhere. Hes kinda the same as Yu Yevon in that way. Its not surprising that people are disappointed that the last big bad is something they have no attachment to.

Anyway, my sole complaint about FF9 that brings it under FF7 in my opinion is that all the cool places keep getting destroyed. FF9 was my first FF and I have a lot of fond memories of it though.

Also, almost any FF endgame boss could kick Sephiroths ass.

scar the 1 posted...

There's no customization, literally the only way you can change your party is to level up.

On the other hand, it has a sufficiently large cast for each character to be specialized. And considering they regularly cycle outside of your control, it's setting up different challenges for the player in kinda the same way a platformer has levels.

Plus, there's still armor and weapons.

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DevsBro posted...

On the other hand, it has a sufficiently large cast for each character to be specialized. And considering they regularly cycle outside of your control, it's setting up different challenges for the player in kinda the same way a platformer has levels.

Plus, there's still armor and weapons.

I get that, it just removes the agency that I kind of enjoy in FF games. I like fiddling around in menus and messing around with different customizations. FF IV does have equipment yes, but rarely is it anything more than "use this one because it's the latest and strongest one you got".
One of the big things I enjoy about FF-style games is exactly the wonky systems when they offer tons of different viable strategies. FF IV doesn't have that, it has "increase a level and then you will beat the boss", which simply doesn't appeal to me as much. That could have been cool if the game spent more time and focus on actually forcing the player to strategize in battle, encouraging efficient resource usage etc. I'm aware that this happens a little bit more in later iterations, which I think is a good thing. It's just not for me.

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Kami_no_Kami posted...

Even if he does make sense thematically, he still kinda pops up out of nowhere. Hes kinda the same as Yu Yevon in that way. Its not surprising that people are disappointed that the last big bad is something they have no attachment to.

Anyway, my sole complaint about FF9 that brings it under FF7 in my opinion is that all the cool places keep getting destroyed. FF9 was my first FF and I have a lot of fond memories of it though.

Also, almost any FF endgame boss could kick Sephiroths ass.

Isn't Yu Yevon at least mentioned a few times in FFX? I mean surely I figured the final boss would be some souped up Ject but I fo remember them talking about him a few times in passing.

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FabIemaster posted...

Isn't Yu Yevon at least mentioned a few times in FFX? I mean surely I figured the final boss would be some souped up Ject but I fo remember them talking about him a few times in passing.

Yes. Not only is he mentioned, but you know before attacking Sin that Yu Yevon is the one who uses Sin as his armor.