Current Events > Experts are saying it is time to ban people from going into grocery stores

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shockthemonkey posted...

Go to the store and give someone a list.

So they're going to need a gigantic staff which defeats the purpose.
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puppy posted...

This **** is getting oppressive at this point.

Whoever accepts this is already well off and is comfortable for the next 1-2 years. Some of us just lost like 50%-80% of our income, and are barely scraping by. I understand flattening the curve, but let's not destroy ALL of our freedoms while we are at it.

what good is freedom when youre fucking dead

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

what good is freedom when youre fucking dead

Not having our mental states slowly deteriorate is a plus.

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It takes me like 15 minutes to do a Fool Lion run.

I have no mask but use gloves.

The entrance has tons of sani wipes.

Enter is left and the exit is right.

I wipe the cart handle down and the door handles in the beer and frozen food sections.

The staff all have gloves and masks.

The registers all have plexi shields.

Now I kind of know how people in Detroit or Chicago feel working behind bulletproof glass.


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dave_is_slick posted...

Not having our mental states slowly deteriorate is a plus.

You need to be alive to have a mental state.

Id also argue that infecting everyone you know with a potentially deadly virus will do more damage to your mental state than not being able to shop for groceries.

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Its... disturbing to see how many people just dont get whats going on in the world right now.

Are you really THAT unable to keep yourself entertained that youre ready to risk infection and infecting others? Your rights arent being infringed, this is serious shit. And for goodness sake, you can still leave your home, you just have to be smart about it.

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shockthemonkey posted...

How does that defeat the purpose? The purpose is so that a shitload of customers arent going in the store. Have you been following along at all?

Because a shitload of employees running around the store picking orders isn't any better. I don't think you realize the amount of employees that would needed to operate completely curbside/delivery in a timely manner.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

You need to be alive to have a mental state.

No shit. That doesn't mean we should ignore what this is doing to everyone's psyche. Why the fuck are you people just ignoring that aspect?

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Id also argue that infecting everyone you know with a potentially deadly virus will do more damage to your mental state than not being able to shop for groceries.

Bullshit and I love how in an effort to make sure you have the moral high ground, you reduce it to simply grocery shopping. I get that it's a recluse's wet dream right now but for everybody else, this isn't as easy as you want to pretend.

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Yeah were not going to do that at the Walgreens here in California. Were supposed to be limiting the amount of people inside but were not doing that. Were supposed to require mandatory face masks for people entering but were not doing that.

Were here for your essential & non-essential needs. This week we are having new sales on cosmetics & photo printing, and were taking out our summer & pool toys. So come on out to our locations to take advantage of these great deals. #CoronaDeals

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There are online marketplaces for you to use.

Like what? Also, what about the people who don't have internet at home and can't (lawfully) go anywhere else to get it because of the quarantine, of which there are already a few such people in my family I can already think of?

shockthemonkey posted...

Yes, it will require grocery stores to hire and train more people.

This is how I know you people aren't thinking about anything. There's a hiring freeze. Nobody new is coming in for the city right now. This isn't going to work.

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The only reason I brought up closing off the store in general was because:

A) there are actual grocery stores available that can service customers, rather than a retail chain that I work at.
B) People can't follow simple instructions and have the nerve to get pissed off at us for not following said instructions. This gets even worse now that we have a reduced staff due to everyone staying home and not wanting to work. My department alone went from 10 people down to 4. 5 if you include the new guy that keeps getting put into other sections of the store.

By decluttering you have the option to protect staff, so they want to work. If not closing the inside of the store entirely, compromising and offering hours where people can shop with less congestion, as well as roping off areas that aren't considered essential during this time.

But then the problem becomes what is considered essential? What I think is essential is different than Person B thinks is essential. I think stuff like Food, Toiletries, Cleaning Supplies and Pharmacy items are essential, so stores could be left open for that, while items like Tvs, Barbecues, Patio furniture and the like should be considered non-essential and ordered from the companies website, and delivered through our online department. But again, that's just me.

Stuff like Netflix cards and PSN cards are usually sold at the registers anyways, so that doesn't really tie into taking them away from people.

Also, my store hired on 20 new people over the last week alone, so I don't know where this nonsense of not hiring came from. Truth be told, we are still hiring, because as I said prior, people don't want to work during a crisis, or they have someone in their family who is immuno-compromised. One guy who works in our electronics department has to take a whole year off in full isolation to make sure that he doesn't get sick.

dave_is_slick posted...

Bullshit and I love how in an effort to make sure you have the moral high ground, you reduce it to simply grocery shopping. I get that it's a recluse's wet dream right now but for everybody else, this isn't as easy as you want to pretend.

so youre ok with exposing as many people as possible because Americans are unable to change habits

because throwing caution to the wind with COVID-19 is the smart thing to do

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Also many stores don't operate like Walmart.

At regular food stores the stockers work during closing hours.

All the daytime workers are cashiers, deli, customer service and a few dept managers.

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voldothegr8 posted...

Because a shitload of employees running around the store picking orders isn't any better. I don't think you realize the amount of employees that would needed to operate completely curbside/delivery in a timely manner.

One employee can do the shopping of multiple customers. This limits the chances of infection and spread.

dave_is_slick posted...

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This is how I know you people aren't thinking about anything. There's a hiring freeze. Nobody new is coming in for the city right now. This isn't going to work.

Theres a whole host of new people that started in the grocery store I work at. Yesterday I worked with someone on their very first day

If you dont know what you're talking about, you should probably just shut the fuck up
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shockthemonkey posted...

Yes, it will require grocery stores to hire and train more people. They will also have to do that as employees get sick.

Again all businesses have to work on a budget. Hiring and training more employees costs money, and you don't add more hours to do less business. It may even be more cost effective to shut down than to spend more money on payroll that the store is earning.

Guess the food stores will eventually have to shut down and then there would be nowhere to get anything.

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tremain07 posted...

Nobody wants to acknowledge the broken adults in those places as people because it hurts too much in a "god DAMN how did they screw their life up so badly they have to work in this hellhole after 18?!" way

Why has no one called this guy out for being a privileged shit bag who needs his ass beat?

Unless he's a well known troll, in which I apologize in advance for feeding his useless ass.

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I work in a grocery store and I wouldn't had agreed with this, but too many people don't take this seriously and won't even wear a mask.

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My walmart the other day had 2500 people in it. Almost no one practicing 6ft rule tho about half were wearing masks

A bunch of our staff have gone on LoAs. I lost almost half my team to leaves. Other times they pull people from my team to do online shopping

I have a pregnant gf and am at the point where i want to take a leave of absence


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MarqueeSeries posted...

If you dont know what you're talking about, you should probably just shut the f*** up

Heard it directly from a manager's mouth buddy. There is a hiring freeze for the city of LA.

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dave_is_slick posted...

Heard it directly from a manager's mouth buddy. There is a hiring freeze for the city of LA.

Forgot that a hiring freeze in LA means the whole US is on a hiring freeze.

Where I work is on a hiring freeze, but you dont see me extrapolate that to everywhere.

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Forgot that a hiring freeze in LA means the whole US is on a hiring freeze.

Where I work is on a hiring freeze, but you dont see me extrapolate that to everywhere.

Who's the one just spouting "just hire more" again?

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KobeSystem posted...

My walmart the other day had 2500 people in it. Almost no one practicing 6ft rule tho about half were wearing masks

A bunch of our staff have gone on LoAs. I lost almost half my team to leaves. Other times they pull people from my team to do online shopping

I have a pregnant gf and am at the point where i want to take a leave of absence

I can only imagine. Hopefully you have enough saved to go on hiatus for a few months with the new baby coming. I'm half debating quitting myself. I was going to quit in the fall to go back to school full time anyways, but with this pandemic somehow I've managed to save enough for 2 months worth of rent/bills/food.

KobeSystem posted...

My walmart the other day had 2500 people in it. Almost no one practicing 6ft rule tho about half were wearing masks

A bunch of our staff have gone on LoAs. I lost almost half my team to leaves. Other times they pull people from my team to do online shopping

I have a pregnant gf and am at the point where i want to take a leave of absence

That's really rough, man. I hope you'll get through this.

Do y'all have a name picked out yet?

I dont see any scenario where this works mechanically.

Curbside services are already backed up for a week to longer. This will more or less shut off much of populations ability to get essential goods.

This has many other consequences:
-People not able to get medications
-People not able to feed their family
-Health risks associates from shortages of the needs
-Looting

At some point you have to put your foot down and realize there are other problems to deal with other than COVID. I dont think stopping grocery store traffic at this point in the game is going to make much of an impact on mitigation, but would cause a whole roll of new problems.

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Vermander posted...

I dont see any scenario where this works mechanically.

Curbside services are already backed up for a week to longer. This will more or less shut off much of populations ability to get essential goods.

This has many other consequences:
-People not able to get medications
-People not able to feed their family
-Health risks associates from shortages of the needs
-Looting

At some point you have to put your foot down and realize there are other problems to deal with other than COVID. I dont think stopping grocery store traffic at this point in the game is going to make much of an impact on mitigation, but would cause a whole roll of new problems.

Thank you
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I get what your saying. But understand what I'm saying. Not every big business needs to stay open for everything. Take Wal-Mart for example. It's a multi-purpose store. You can get basically anything from there.

Where I live, 1 Wal-Mart is surrounded by 2 actual grocery stores, a Pharmacy, 2-3 gas stations, and a Canadian Tire. It was only made an "essential store" because they turned all of them into mega-marts by adding a produce/meat/bakery departments. Curbside pickup at that store is only backed up for the most part because people are being idiots and leaving their orders at the store and not picking it up when they are told to pick it up. And since Wal-Mart the box store is different than Wal-Mart online, they can't just drop the order and move on to the next order.

While shipping might play a part with the problems of the orders, it usually comes in on time most times. Services must be changed to help people from getting sick. Christ even my local pizza place added free delivery for orders over a certain amount, to help during these times. No reason that many stores can't do the same. Charge for if its under 50 dollars, give free delivery over 50(depending on the store obviously). Keeps people employed. Even if the stores don't get shut down completely, changing the way they work will help in the long run, at least for now.

voldothegr8 posted...

So they're going to need a gigantic staff which defeats the purpose.

Does your store not have a customer service desk already?

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Outside of COVID, I think it'd be cool to see how a "warehouse" model grocery store would perform.

There's a bit of science and psychology to a standard supermarket layout; what items get placed next to each other, what aisles are next to each other, the location of "essential" goods being in the back fucking corner so you're forced to stroll past other goods before getting your purchase, etc.

Online-only shopping and the ability to rebuy previously purchased items without browsing/searching would streamline a lot of aspects and alter the physical location/distribution of products. I wonder how it'd all change to be optimized.
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philsov posted...

Outside of COVID, I think it'd be cool to see how a "warehouse" model grocery store would perform.

There's a bit of science and psychology to a standard supermarket layout; what items get placed next to each other, what aisles are next to each other, the location of "essential" goods being in the back fucking corner so you're forced to stroll past other goods before getting your purchase, etc.

Online-only shopping and the ability to rebuy previously purchased items without browsing/searching would streamline a lot of aspects and alter the physical location/distribution of products. I wonder how it'd all change to be optimized.

I think eventually its going to get to the point where everything is set up like a Burger King in the middle of Detroit. All food behind a big plexiglass window, you point to a staff member what stuff you want, and then they grab it all for you, and then send it through a drop chute or pick up box, or it gets sent down the line to the cashier who passes it to you, thus only 1 person actually getting exposed in the company.

Though eventually they may go the route of Japan and start using vending machines more often. In Japan if you wanted something like a half dozen eggs, there are vending machines for that.

I'm personally a fan of the kiosk method myself. You approach a Kiosk like what is in Mcdonalds, pick out what you want to buy through an elaborate set of menus, pay for it, and an employee either hands it to you, or puts it in your car.

Ivany2008 posted...

In Japan if you wanted something like a half dozen eggs, there are vending machines for that.

That's impressive. Eggs are delicate and expire quickly.

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DevsBro posted...

That's impressive. Eggs are delicate and expire quickly.

Interestingly enough, they don't need to be refridgerated in some countries.

Ivany2008 posted...

DevsBro posted...

That's impressive. Eggs are delicate and expire quickly.

Interestingly enough, they don't need to be refridgerated in some countries.

Aren't those covered with some weird, unnatural coating?
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Vermander posted...

This has many other consequences:
-People not able to get medications
-People not able to feed their family
-Health risks associates from shortages of the needs
-Looting

The pandemic is already hurting supply lines and freaking some people out. How would curbside be causing something that already is happening? It's "not working" because we're over exerting a lesser used system during shortages. If we made a concentrated effort to move stores in this direction and hire for those. needs, no reason it couldn't work.

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TheRealDill2000 posted...

Aren't those covered with some weird, unnatural coating?

Literally the opposite. Americans blast off the natural protective coating and that's why ours are refrigerated.

Ivany2008 posted...

I can only imagine. Hopefully you have enough saved to go on hiatus for a few months with the new baby coming. I'm half debating quitting myself. I was going to quit in the fall to go back to school full time anyways, but with this pandemic somehow I've managed to save enough for 2 months worth of rent/bills/food.

Yea i have a lil bit saved and i have a ton of vacation time so i may pull the trigger when its close to her due date and i still havent got my stimulus check so thatll help when it comes

I would definitely go back to school if itll really improve your career outlook and if you dont have to go into srs debt.

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_Rinku_ posted...

That's really rough, man. I hope you'll get through this.

Do y'all have a name picked out yet?

Doing fine now and hopefully i get lucky and dont get this thing being exposed to thousands of strangers at work -_-

Rn we have his name as Sebastian lol that or Giovanni. I dont wanna tell my gf the Team Rocket boss makes that name badass to me >_>

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KobeSystem posted...

Doing fine now and hopefully i get lucky and dont get this thing being exposed to thousands of strangers at work -_-

Rn we have his name as Sebastian lol that or Giovanni. I dont wanna tell my gf the Team Rocket boss makes that name badass to me >_>

Aw, both of those names are cute. Might want to have some backup girl names just in case; I had a friend in high school who was "definitely, absolutely a boy" based on the ultrasounds, but she definitely wasn't lol.

KobeSystem posted...

Doing fine now and hopefully i get lucky and dont get this thing being exposed to thousands of strangers at work -_-

Rn we have his name as Sebastian lol that or Giovanni. I dont wanna tell my gf the Team Rocket boss makes that name badass to me >_>

My sister just had her 2nd kid and you could tell that her boyfriend was the one who named the baby boy... Cameron James. Of course she has no clue who James Cameron is, but I knew instantly.

I hope this doesn't happen, I'm in a parking lot campsite with only food stamps, so online shopping and home delivery isn't an option for me.
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