Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1348

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HaRRicH posted...

I mean really. Injustice 2 is the only game on there that didn't make a contest, and it could have stolen a victory somewhere. What Remains of Edith Finch is the only game that didn't impress, but then nobody expected it to.

This poll also isn't counting anything else that came from 2017 -- thinking of SMO here. That year's been beasting.

Even Edith Finch has almost certainly escaped dead last in the x-stats, or even bottom 3 when it was considered a contender for weakest game in the bracket.

Maybe we need BYIG 2 to see how 2017 measures up!

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It was very kind of Allen to not include the actual 2017 GotY, which surely would have nuked the field

A Hat in Time :p

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2017 was also home to Bioware's finest in Mass Effect Andromeda

God, put Andromeda against Witcher instead of ME3 and it probably gets Tanner'd

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Sharinnegan posted...

2017 was also home to Bioware's finest in Mass Effect Andromeda

Mass Effect sacrificed itself to propel the rest of 2017 to greatness. You can't have a 10 without a 0!

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Imagine if Andromeda Had been a good game

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Divinity Original Sin II was also a 2017 game. We'll see where it ends up.

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HaRRicH posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6730-five-months-in-to-2017-whats-your-pick-for-game-of-the-year
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6945-best-of-2017-playstation-4

Being between N:A and P5 ain't too bad a place to be in and HZD did just defeat a former GotY-winner in the previous round too. It has legitimacy here.

EDIT: it's also a 2017-game. We've been seeing nearly all of them consistently impress so far.

horizon isnt in between nier and persona now though. Its a bit weaker. Probably slightly below nier

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Horizon would def take nier

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i dont think Horizon beats Nier 1 on 1 even back in 2017.Other games (especially Persona) being there screwed things up.

okay 300 vote barrier breached I will sleep now

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So any explanation for why it started so late?

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The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild vs. Final Fantasy XV
Registered Vote Result:
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 7620 (80.97%)
Final Fantasy XV - 1791 (19.03%)

Anonymous Vote Result:
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 7157 (78.77%)
Final Fantasy XV - 1929 (21.23%)

Monster Hunter: World vs. Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age
Registered Vote Result:
Monster Hunter: World - 4316 (45.86%)
Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age - 5096 (54.14%)

Anonymous Vote Result:
Monster Hunter: World - 4411 (48.55%)
Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age - 4674 (51.45%)

Breath of the Wild does about 2% better with registered users and Dragon Quest was over 2.5% better.

Based on the difference between registered and anonymous users in the Dragon Quest match, I can conclude that the Monster Hunter rally had no detectable impact on this match.

Extra info and past results - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kFS3SfH6sAhPdS85H7BpuFIkr9SayeF7AhMw-wrEBng/pub
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LusterSoldier posted...

I can conclude that the Monster Hunter rally had no detectable impact on this match.

No, you really can't conclude that the multiple rallies had no detectable impact, not in a contest with such a strong bracket vote. Considering that only 25% of brackets had DQXI advancing to the divisional finals, it seems safe to say Monster Hunter had at least somewhat of a bracket advantage.

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FFDragon posted...

Horizon would def take nier

chill bruh

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I'd be surprised if Horizon was stronger than Nier. Seems like one of those 'possible but unlikely' scenarios.

The Bloodborne match is going pretty much how I figured - BB looks really good but doesn't win. Not bad for the game that cleanly lost to Final Fantasy XII.

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MetalmindStats posted...

No, you really can't conclude that the multiple rallies had no detectable impact, not in a contest with such a strong bracket vote. Considering that only 25% of brackets had DQXI advancing to the divisional finals, it seems safe to say Monster Hunter had at least somewhat of a bracket advantage.

It appears to be in line with what Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest had done in previous rounds with registered users. In both round 1 and round 2, both games did better with registered users, with Monster Hunter having a larger overall split between registered and anonymous users. So when they finally meet up, one of them had to come out on top with registered users. It just happened to be Dragon Quest doing better with registered users. Even though the rally would have brought in some votes for Monster Hunter, the number of votes would have been fairly low (less than 300).
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Would it be too hard to keep today's matches till 10:11 PM EST tomorrow or whenever time of day it started while also starting tomorrow's matches at the normal time? There just would be 2 banners instead of one from 8 PM to 10:11 EST

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LusterSoldier posted...

In both round 1 and round 2, both games did better with registered users, with Monster Hunter having a larger overall split between registered and anonymous users.

Nice job disproving your own point. If MH already had a larger registered user skew beforehand, then it had the bracket advantage on top of that, how could DQ possibly have a 2.5% registered user advantage if the rallies had no noticeable effect on this match?

LusterSoldier posted...

Even though the rally would have brought in some votes for Monster Hunter, the number of votes would have been fairly low (less than 300).

Based on what? Upvotes aren't exactly a reliable gauge of follow-through here.

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that monster hunter match was like...1600 votes ahead of the one the day before which had a rally for divinity OS that stayed in the front page almost the whole day. compared the the one from 2 days before which had no rallies it was 3500 ahead

it definitely had at least a bit of an impact in the results.

FFDragon posted...

Horizon would def take nier

when nier bests pokemon come back and say this again

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Also this goes to show how strong RE7 was for a 16 seed. Neither horizon or fallout would have gotten 60 on it and depending on how much ne2 beats re2 or bloodborne by you could argue neither of them reach 60 either

thsrs damn impressive for a 16 seed

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Yuri_LowelI posted...

when nier bests pokemon come back and say this again

I will sig bet you pokemon > nier tbqh

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MetalmindStats posted...

Based on what? Upvotes aren't exactly a reliable gauge of follow-through here.

Based on percentage of votes from registered users. As this these were the first matches of round 3, I don't have a baseline comparison for percentage of votes from registered users should be for a normal round 3 match without any rallies. But based on the round 2 average for non-rally days, a normal round 2 match was around 53% registered users. This could be even lower for round 3, but it's not possible to determine this until I get more data.

The Monster Hunter rally could be anywhere from 200 to 700 votes. But as all rallies are going to have some backfire votes, a small rally is going to be less detectable due to the backfire votes masking whatever impact it might have had on the match.
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Horizon was one of the few open world games this gen that had a fun hook. The gameplay loop of fighting the dinosaurs was really entertaining, unlike a certain Zelda themed open world ripoff.


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I found Horizons open world exploration lacking and while the combat was fun at first it got pretty repetitive by the end

The snow DLC was very good though much better than the main game

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In hindsight the open world of horizon serves little purpose

you're limited by the environment at every turn. nothing is interactive. the weather / time of day system doesn't change anything mechanically. its all there just to look pretty. Horizon is just another pretty good open world game in a generation full of them. its not really deviating from the cookie cutter formula in any way.

breath of the wild made the world itself an integral part of the game. thats a game that could never exist outside of an open world structure, because the way you interact with the world IS the main hook. that's the reason it stood out from all the generic "ubisoft game" open worlds. (which Horizon very much is....it's just a very well made "ubisoft game")

Sharinnegan posted...

that monster hunter match was like...1600 votes ahead of the one the day before which had a rally for divinity OS that stayed in the front page almost the whole day. compared the the one from 2 days before which had no rallies it was 3500 ahead

it definitely had at least a bit of an impact in the results.

That could probably be attributed to the switch to 2 matches a day, though.

And Breath of the Wild being a vote draw on top of that.

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I will put you permaignore forever ulti, no joke, if that trash site swings this

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huh...there is indeed a bit of a rally in the BB subreddit but it didnt get nearly as much traction as the one from round 2

kinda funny that BB got the bigger rally on the round where it didnt matter.

Sharinnegan posted...

huh...there is indeed a bit of a rally in the BB subreddit but it didnt get nearly as much traction as the one from round 2

kinda funny that BB got the bigger rally on the round where it didnt matter.

I know there was a rally thread made in anticipation of the match, and it makes me wonder if the late start impacted the rally simply by not having the match open when the thread said it would.

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lol, Ulti gilded both the Monster Hunter rallies and both the Bloodborne rallies, even though he picked DQXI in both Guru and Oracle, and RE2 in his Guru bracket.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

By the way if someone finds any RE2 rally threads, Ill happily award those too

https://reddit.com/r/residentevil/comments/g56msv/gamefaqs_is_doing_a_game_of_the_decade_contest/

Have at it.

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Nice, well-played.

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Sharinnegan posted...

In hindsight the open world of horizon serves little purpose

you're limited by the environment at every turn. nothing is interactive. the weather / time of day system doesn't change anything mechanically. its all there just to look pretty. Horizon is just another pretty good open world game in a generation full of them. its not really deviating from the cookie cutter formula in any way.

breath of the wild made the world itself an integral part of the game. thats a game that could never exist outside of an open world structure, because the way you interact with the world IS the main hook. that's the reason it stood out from all the generic "ubisoft game" open worlds. (which Horizon very much is....it's just a very well made "ubisoft game")

There is so much more gameplay possibilities with Link in BOTW than with Aloy in Horizon that it makes Horizon look like a lazy game. Game designers should be more free to implement gameplay elements in Sony's blockbusters. They're pretty but they feel empty to play. You can't even parry attacks.

so i took a glance at the RE2 rally

1 of the comments is saying he chose RE2 despite both being good. another one is saying they can't choose because the genres are too different

and then the last 3 are along the lines of "RE2 is great but bloodborne is better"

lol

If the Bloodborne rally is currently in force, then I think I like RE2's chances given that it's basically stalling.

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Horizon Zero Dawn is one of the games in this bracket that interests me the most. A little depressing to hear people criticizing it like this, not saying you shouldn't.

From Round 2 on I've basically been voting for the game I'm more interested in. Today those were Mass Effect 2 and Bloodborne. All four of the games in today's match interest me a lot. At least I have beaten the original RE2 so I'd be able to compare and contrast the remake from it pretty well.

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i did say Horizon is a very well made game

it just doesn't really get out of the mold established by almost every other open world game. if you enjoy stuff like the later assassin's creed games or ghost recon or farcry, you'll probably love Horizon as it is basically a more polished, more well thought out version of those.

i think i was too burnt out on that stuff when i played it, cause i ended up quitting after about 20 hours or so.

All I really want out of this contest is more people playing dragon quest 11 and Xenoblade

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I'll play Xenoblade for the third time on Switch, but probably not right away.

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Would P5, Skyrim, Dark Souls really not be able to get 58% on Horizon? :think:

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56% now...Horizon recovered a lot.

ctesjbuvf posted...

If the Bloodborne rally is currently in force, then I think I like RE2's chances given that it's basically stalling.

Most people are asleep now, so that's a pretty good sign for BB to be stalling already.

And any BB rally should help Horizon, since they're both PS4 exclusives.

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Bloodborne starting to make a move. It looks like the rally has started to gain a bit of traction. It's very close to the top with over 100 upvotes now.