Current Events > Why is the US so thirsty to reopen soon?

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Gotta make those companies 100x more then what employees make.

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Trump nation stand up!

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Maybe people have things they'd like to buy at some of the stores that got forced to close?

Its a shame people want to get back to working.

they can pay their bills with fairy dust.

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DarkMark942 posted...

Maybe people have things they'd like to buy at some of the stores that got forced to close?

If that's the case it must be something not very important.

DarthAragorn posted...

If that's the case it must be something not very important.

Maybe it's important to them? Just because it isnt "essential" doesnt mean no one cares about it.

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Duncanwii posted...

Maybe it's important to them? Just because it isnt "essential" doesnt mean no one cares about it.

Do you know the difference between "wants" and "needs"?

Also, you could still order stuff online.

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Duncanwii posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

If that's the case it must be something not very important.

Maybe it's important to them? Just because it isnt "essential" doesnt mean no one cares about it.

I really wanted to go buy a movie today but I'm not throwing a bitchfit about it because it ultimately doesn't matter that much.

Strider102 posted...

Gotta make those companies 100x more then what employees make.

Uh huh, and you know what the employees of those companies are making while the company makes nothing? Fucking nothing. Turns out you need money to buy food to live. WHO KNEW?!
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An inability to confront personal problems, most Americans tend to flee from themselves, getting lost in work projects and running errands.

Many are incapable of stopping, let alone slowing down.

A high number of people are becoming uncomfortable with themselves in quarantine and it is exposing long-held insecurities that were never properly addressed.

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the best medicine is jack daniels imo

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It's mostly Trump and his GOP goons that want it reopened soon. They only care about money and themselves.

Duncanwii posted...

Because what is happening is unsustainable and unsupportable for the long term?

WalkingLobsters posted...

this. Not everyone is a neet.

You know you need people to get out of the house and work to keep society running.

See, like, I cant tell if people spouting bullshit like this are actually serious or just trolling.

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america has a culture not only based around working until you're dead, but the idea that if you don't you're lazy and useless. this is mainly because corporate interests run extremely deep in our politics and politicians like to line up pro-corporate ideals with their message and dress them in a veneer of culture war

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Duncanwii posted...

What exactly is wrong with that? You cant expect people to stay cooped up until fall. That's asinine.

Did you even have a job before this all started?

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Duncanwii posted...

All I know is I'll be happy to see the day we open back up. Hopefully soon.

Sad to see youll be happy people can infect more people at a more rapid pace.

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There are many facets to this answer:

1 - A lot of people here are really narrow minded, didn't see much of the covid stuff firsthand and don't pay attention to things outside of their bubble, and arrogantly believe it won't or can't get bad here.

2 - a lot of people in the USA mismanage their finances, and far too many people run into medical debt that derails their finances. We're only supposedly the richest country due to how top heavy we are.

3 - pretty much all of the MAGA cultists want to try and bounce the DOW back to try and increase Mango Mussolini's reelection chances since that's realistically his only hope.

4 - kinda related to point 1 but there are way too many people here who are easily duped into believing crazy conspiracy theories that serve to undermine how seriously people take these kinds of situations and fuel the dissent against the "government overreach" that is these (honestly, pretty half assed) shutdowns

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SrRd_RacinG posted...

An inability to confront personal problems, most Americans tend to flee from themselves, getting lost in work projects and running errands.

Many are incapable of stopping, let alone slowing down.

A high number of people are becoming uncomfortable with themselves in quarantine and it is exposing long-held insecurities that were never properly addressed.

The best medicine? Distraction.

This is also incredibly pertinent.

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rexcrk posted...

See, like, I cant tell if people spouting bullshit like this are actually serious or just trolling.

Duncan is unfortunately serious.

lobster in one of his enablers. So hell support whatever stupidity Duncan spews.

Because people are THIRSTY

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Too many Americans are arrogant and stupid. God will save them, the millions of people who are starving all around the world are only starving because they don't believe in God. White American's believe, so that mean's God will save them.

They also believe making sacrifices save lives means their rights are being stripped away forever. Sure yeah some do it because they need money, but most don't. You can tell by their protest signs, they way they act, the props they bought, the gas money they spent to fill up their f150. Nobody cares about their fellow man anymore, it's all about their own selfish wants. The government is taking my rights. Yep, idiots have been saying that for 150 years and guess what, we still have our rights.

Everyone the world over is doing something and it's proven to work, but America knows better. Lets save the economy by causing more death and another eventual shutdown because we are too stupid to stay inside for 5-8 weeks like everyone else on the planet. Everyone will be opening up, and we will have our thumb up our asses playing the blame game of why we are seeing so much preventable devastation.

It's still too soon but I think late May or June would be reasonable times to reopen everything

Antifar posted...

The US government hasn't provided the sorts of financial relief to citizens and small businesses that other countries have, exacerbating the pain of the shutdown.

Yep. I got furloughed, I'm "eligible" for UIC, but I've been in the system for a month, have not received anything, none of my messages have been responded to, and I can't reach anyone by phone. So in order to make ends meet I'm applying for temp jobs that pay significantly less then the job I got furloughed from. I don't want the shutdown to end per se, but on the other hand the Govt isn't going to do shit.

Is it that difficult the understand some people find more enjoyment and purpose in life in their jobs than in sitting in front of the TV or shitposting online all day every day?

Or that even without that, don't find fulfillment in those things more than we do a long list of things we can't do anymore because we must shut down any activity if there's a chance of 2 people coming in 20 feet of each other, and as such would like some of them to open in exchange for doing our own jobs.

I get it, it's easy for some of us, but for others, we're arrogantly telling them to live an unfulfilling life confused not everyon has the goal of binging everything on netflix and calling that a good day's effort. I swear some people saw the fat guys in the chairs in Wall-E and felt that was a goal to strive for.

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https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/04/1062272

Time to face the facts, brick and mortar businesses need to open, immediately.
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Hop103 posted...

https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/04/1062272

Time to face the facts, brick and mortar businesses need to open, immediately.

We are facing the facts. The virus is not under control and its not safe to open up.

The economy can wait. Our lives are more important because we KNOW the government wont help us with our $80,000 medical bill if we do get Coronavirus

The US is going to get everyone killed.

It's a mindset that everyone in the world is honestly afraid to face and might actually do some good for it to be rebuffed by another country- that the US as is, is in a death spiral. And that death spiral WILL kill the world. Not the country or the region, the world.

This Coronovirus and the US are extremely visible ways the US is doing this. Every time someone has laughed at climate change or poo-pooed people who said we NEED to transition to alternative fuel sources or that multi-billion dollar companies shouldn't exist- all of those are problems that had been growing over the 2010's that no one felt was important to change because we were at the end of history.

Well, here we are.

And things are about to get a LOT worse.

they have a lot of work for china to do

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Hop103 posted...

https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/04/1062272

Time to face the facts, brick and mortar businesses need to open, immediately.

You just linked a random article about nothing to do with "brick and mortar" businesses.

Starbucks can wait. Bookshops should receive relief. You can't bring people back from the dead.

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ChocoboMog123 posted...

You just linked a random article about nothing to do with "brick and mortar" businesses.

Starbucks can wait. Bookshops should receive relief. You can't bring people back from the dead.

You can't save everyone. It's either you wise up and support at least a phased reopening or millions will surely die as a result of famines, riots, or even war. It's time to make the hard decision.
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Hop103 posted...

You can't save everyone. It's either you wise up and support at least a phased reopening or millions will surely die as a result of famines, riots, or even war. It's time to make the hard decision.

Other countries aren't spiraling into this. Wonder what they have that we dont

Hop103 posted...

You can't save everyone. It's either you wise up and support at least a phased reopening or millions will surely die as a result of famines, riots, or even war. It's time to make the hard decision.

We are doing that. Not going to work is a very hard decision, especially with bills to pay, but we are trying to not be selfish and immature about it.

The whole if this goes on any longer, the alleged riots are going to kill more people than the virus!!!1!1!! angle might actually be the stupidest thing Ive ever heard anyone say.

Most time that people argue, its over a matter of opinion. Youre flat out, 100% wrong here, though.

Hop103 posted...

You can't save everyone. It's either you wise up and support at least a phased reopening or millions will surely die as a result of famines, riots, or even war. It's time to make the hard decision.

Opening up a gym is going to kill more people than it "saves."
Opening up Applebees for dine in is going to kill more people than it "saves."

You're spouting complete BS with no backing.
Phased reopenings are fine. That is not the same as:
Hop103 posted...

Time to face the facts, brick and mortar businesses need to open, immediately.

You don't need a damn haircut. You don't need to go to the beach (and beaches are working on phased reopenings). You need to stay healthy to live.

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ChocoboMog123 posted...

Starbucks can wait. Bookshops should receive relief.

The big lesson here is that you don't really have to go inside anywhere to buy stuff.
What bookshop doesn't have any sort of online presence anyway? I've bought books from tiny shops in Ohio, California, Alberta, and even Australia, that I never would have ever actually walked into.

ChocoboMog123 posted...

Opening up a gym is going to kill more people than it "saves."
Opening up Applebees for dine in is going to kill more people than it "saves."

You're spouting complete BS with no backing.
Phased reopenings are fine. That is not the same as:

You don't need a damn haircut. You don't need to go to the beach (and beaches are working on phased reopenings). You need to stay healthy to live.

That mentality will kill more people than the virus and plunge the US into a Great Depression. Stop listening to corrupt news companies such as CNN and MSNBC, they're baiting you.
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Capitalism.

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Hop103 posted...

That mentality will kill more people than the virus and plunge the US into a Great Depression. Stop listening to corrupt news companies such as CNN and MSNBC, they're baiting you.

Oh, and Fox News and OANN are the authorities on this?

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Solar_Crimson posted...

Oh, and Fox News and OANN are the authorities on this?

People still watch OANN?
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Hop103 posted...

You can't save everyone. It's either you wise up and support at least a phased reopening or millions will surely die as a result of famines, riots, or even war. It's time to make the hard decision.

Looks like we have ourselves a death cultist.

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If it hasn't been said yet; $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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Cash rules everything around me

CREAM, git the money! Dollar, dollar bills, y'all

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Payzmaykr posted...

We are doing that. Not going to work is a very hard decision, especially with bills to pay, but we are trying to not be selfish and immature about it.

The whole if this goes on any longer, the alleged riots are going to kill more people than the virus!!!1!1!! angle might actually be the stupidest thing Ive ever heard anyone say.

Most time that people argue, its over a matter of opinion. Youre flat out, 100% wrong here, though.

You act like people willingly dont work. Most people would still work if allowed.

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lightwarrior78 posted...

Is it that difficult the understand some people find more enjoyment and purpose in life in their jobs than in sitting in front of the TV or shitposting online all day every day?

Or that even without that, don't find fulfillment in those things more than we do a long list of things we can't do anymore because we must shut down any activity if there's a chance of 2 people coming in 20 feet of each other, and as such would like some of them to open in exchange for doing our own jobs.

I get it, it's easy for some of us, but for others, we're arrogantly telling them to live an unfulfilling life confused not everyon has the goal of binging everything on netflix and calling that a good day's effort. I swear some people saw the fat guys in the chairs in Wall-E and felt that was a goal to strive for.

I dont think ya do.

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To republicans (and some democrats) buisnesses are more important than people.

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lightwarrior78 posted...

Is it that difficult the understand some people find more enjoyment and purpose in life in their jobs than in sitting in front of the TV or shitposting online all day every day?

Yeah, it's so much better not being able to work coz your boss died from a virus and your company was crippled by unexpected deaths and sick leaves.

I'm sure you'll enjoy life so much more when you have to go to work with loss of lung capacity, 102 F fever and painful cough.

Or when you get tested and have to be isolated at home / hospital.

Or when you get bound to a ventilator, unable to do anything at all except wait and pray.

And you might become the reason the above happens to your close friends and family.

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Sorry dude, but sometimes you gotta realize what you WANT to do does not matter in any way and you gotta find other things to do to protect your health and the health of others.
Same for companies that suffer from covid lockdowns: you need to find something else to do to protect yourself. Like producing masks, medicine, saving people's lives, maybe? Instead of abusing your workers like Amazon does.

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Wondering if the US is going to go from wanting to shut other countries out, to finding itself shut in.

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I think some of the cultural explanations in this thread (Americans are arrogant and stupid; America has a culture based on working until you're dead) are hard to square with the fact that public support for ending the shutdowns is at ~10%. To the extent that we seem "thirsty" to reopen, it's coming from two groups:

1) GOP elected officials who refuse to prolong a situation in which unemployed people can't be blamed for their circumstances
2) astroturfed protests designed to make the former group look like they're caring for anyone except the largest donors
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Noraneko_Vel posted...

Yeah, it's so much better not being able to work coz your boss died from a virus and your company was crippled by unexpected deaths and sick leaves.

I'm sure you'll enjoy life so much more when you have to go to work with loss of lung capacity, 102 F fever and painful cough.

Or when you get tested and have to be isolated at home / hospital.

Or when you get bound to a ventilator, unable to do anything at all except wait and pray.

And you might become the reason the above happens to your close friends and family.

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Sorry dude, but sometimes you gotta realize what you WANT to do does not matter in any way and you gotta find other things to do to protect your health and the health of others.
Same for companies that suffer from covid lockdowns: you need to find something else to do to protect yourself. Like producing masks, medicine, saving people's lives, maybe? Instead of abusing your workers like Amazon does.

I'm not saying stop quarantine. I'm saying quit being holier than thou dicks about it because you are coping better than others. This is a time for empathy to console people into doing what is necessary, not the left's usual "won't you idiots just accept how smart and right I am and do what I tell you blindly" attitude.

I get it. You're scared of dying, and maybe others should be too. Don't take it out on everyone else scarred people like you will never let us out of the house again. Don't take it our on people scarred the supply of food or other essentials will dry up because we assumed the stores would last forever and not need to be replenished.

I'm not asking this to stop. I'm answering the question of why other people are, and am depressingly unsurprised that I get responses that I can sum up as "how dare people not think and value the same as me, aren't they all idiots". I'd like to think we can try and make this easier on people obviously having trouble with it, but people's propensity to be assholes seems to be winning.

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We've been conditioned to be good slaves.

The conservatives don't even realize this but this is what ther Elites have done on our minds. It started with Black Americans in slavery then transitioned into this. We've all been bamboozled. Hopefully people wake up soon