Current Events > The Last of us II board has become infested by /pol/.

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Balnazarr posted...

The poster is a hijacked account...iirc. That is what he/she told me not too long ago. Right after they threatened me via PM; I had multiple failed login attempts sent to me via email. Most these alt-Reich older accounts are hijacked.

Yeah that was my initial thought but figured I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. Pretty weird stuff.

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Obviously we've seen the website be pretty lax with lots of racism in the past but you gotta wonder whether a board literally becoming /pol/ jr is beyond the pale for the site admins.

That said, I did once see a 4000 karma account get a purg for 3-4 max character limit posts of holocaust denial points with 15 minutes so I'm not hopeful

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I like how 15 years ago you could be basically get banned instantly for posting crud like this.

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Hornezz posted...

Good lord what a shithole. Did the mods just give up over there?

Wouldn't surprise me to see a couple joining in tbh

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People like that shouldn't be called "gamers". People like that give the rest of us a bad name.

The hobby used to be about inclusion, because you were often excluded from "cooler" things. Now you have assholes trying to suggest being a white supremacist is just a "difference of opinion" deserving of the same respect of everything else.

Fuck that.

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Umbreon posted...

People like that shouldn't be called "gamers". People like that give the rest of us a bad name.

The hobby used to be about inclusion, because you were often excluded from "cooler" things. Now you have assholes trying to suggest being a white supremacist is just a "difference of opinion" deserving of the same respect of everything else.

Fuck that.

While I do think that things used to be slightly less toxic, I've heard accounts of how shitty and racist people were behaving about a game like San Andreas when it came out. "I'm meant to relate to a PC, how am I meant to relate to a black man?" sort of shit. I also think "gamer culture" was where terms like "feminazi" kinda took off, at least around the PS3/360 era.

But honestly I think the turning point for this sort of toxicity is Gamergate. Nothing's ever really been the same since.

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MrMallard posted...

Gamergate

Yep. Dealt a blow that the gaming community will prob never recover from

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Like shit man, people were taking pictures of other people's houses and leaving vague, menacing comments on them. When the anti-Gamergate crowd brought these up as instances of stalking and harrassment, Gamergaters piped up with "they're just pictures people took outside, it's not like they could help these houses being in the way!"

That sort of shit really was like Pandora's box. A bunch of impressionable shitheads got radicalised, and they're still kicking around to get ass-blasted whenever something they don't like happens.

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MrMallard posted...

While I do think that things used to be slightly less toxic, I've heard accounts of how shitty and racist people were behaving about a game like San Andreas when it came out. "I'm meant to relate to a PC, how am I meant to relate to a black man?" sort of shit. I also think "gamer culture" was where terms like "feminazi" kinda took off, at least around the PS3/360 era.

Oh yeah, that's true.

And yeah, Gamergate ruined everything basically. Was it not literally started because some dude claimed their ex allegedly cheated on them or some shit? Something that would normally not be any of our concern? It's been a while.

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Umbreon posted...

People like that shouldn't be called "gamers". People like that give the rest of us a bad name.

The hobby used to be about inclusion, because you were often excluded from "cooler" things. Now you have assholes trying to suggest being a white supremacist is just a "difference of opinion" deserving of the same respect of everything else.

Fuck that.

I think it's because of that exclusion that people lose their shit over minor stuff like this. Gaming, for some, is a refuge from being berated and excluded, and it definitely becomes ingrained in some peoples' identities more than others. When gaming as a whole gets criticized, people take it personally and backfire syndrome kicks in. The alt-right (read: neo-nazis) swoops in on this anger and tell them that they're right for being outraged about "feminists" and "pandering" and start upselling them on the rest of their ideology. I sorta went through a phase of this when I was 12-14 independently of most influences, but then I grew up and realized that the truth was more complicated than my first gut reaction.

I do find it funny that the left somehow lost gamers on the whole to the right when gamers are more directly impacted by the scummy and unethical practices that result from unfettered capitalism (i direct you towards the entire mobile gaming market) than almost any other "hobby" group. Even gamers who have fallen for alt-right claptrap are still almost always (economically) left-wing when it comes to video game, if nothing else.

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I thought TC was exaggerating, but nope it really is just that bad.


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Umbreon posted...

Oh yeah, that's true.

And yeah, Gamergate ruined everything basically. Was it not literally started because some dude claimed their ex allegedly cheated on them or some shit? Something that would normally not be any of our concern? It's been a while.

"My girlfriend cheated on me with a game reviewer so her game would get a better score"

Posted on multiple sites, removed from most, picked up I think on 4chan.

Said game was a free Twine game called Depression Quest, which tried to be an interactive depiction of what living with depression would be like. She didn't stand to profit in any way from fucking a game reviewer, as it was free and pretty niche.

This exploded into "ethics in games journalism" over the course of months, because a bunch of rat-faced incels decided that she was worth taking down for this egregious, unproven crime. And when the crowd got big, the energy got redirected towards mainstream game sites for shady review scores and the like.

The thing is that the ethics of mainstream game sites was worth discussing, what with the different sponsorship deals going around - full webpage ads for a single game, usually followed up by a decent review score. But then a guy writes a critical review of Max Payne 3, for which Rockstar ordered a full webpage ad for, and that reviewer was fired. If the issue was about "ethics in games journalism", there were cooler heads who were ready to come to the table and discuss the issue.

But no, it was steeped in stupid, hot-headed talking points like "Anita Sarkeesian is anti-video game! Zoe Quinn fucked a man for a good score! Feminists are ruining games, and it's only a matter of time before there's nothing left for real, hardcore gamers!" It was window dressing to bitch about women.

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Clearly they just hate the story choices and believe in ethics in gaming journalism

/s

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Umbreon posted...

People like that shouldn't be called "gamers". People like that give the rest of us a bad name.

Given the massive amount of people playing games these days with varying tastes and levels of commitment, it almost seems like a useless label.

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Love how that evil zombie guy who posts here is now in that topic with actual white supremacists and Jewish conspiracy theorists opining on how...the word nazi is overused!

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BigHentaiBoobie posted...

Looks more like /v/ than /pol/

accurate assessment tbqh

edit: wait, maybe not, i spotted some actual antisemitism on the board

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MrMallard posted...

But no, it was steeped in stupid, hot-headed talking points like "Anita Sarkeesian is anti-video game! Zoe Quinn f***ed a man for a good score! Feminists are ruining games, and it's only a matter of time before there's nothing left for real, hardcore gamers!" It was window dressing to b**** about women.

You can twist GamerGate however you want. But remember that Gamer Gate doesn't have blood on their hands, SJW drove a developer to suicide thanks to getting manipulated and whipped into shaming action by the indie darling sociopath and liar, Zoe Quinn.

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I saw the leak, and yeah, it doesn't look good.

But like...just don't buy the fucking game then?

I don't get why people get this upset over a game. People really need more going on in their lives.

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I do not understand why a group that feels marginalized would not want to natural allies to other marginlized groups. Not that I personally think gamers are oppressed, but if you thought you were, why wouldnt you want your hobby to be a refuge for others in a similair boat?

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Pretty much every game board is like that. Look at how the MK11 board reacted to that Jax ending.

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Man idc about the lesbian stuff but those leaks look brutal from a basic storytelling standpoint.

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Sad_Face posted...

You can twist GamerGate however you want. But remember that Gamer Gate doesn't have blood on their hands, SJW drove a developer to suicide thanks to getting manipulated and whipped into shaming action by the indie darling sociopath and liar, Zoe Quinn.

Be very careful about this mudslinging for the sake of your own agenda.

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Sad_Face posted...

But remember that Gamer Gate doesn't have blood on their hands

I'm... not 100% sure that's true.

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The worst boards I've seen and frequent was the ps3 and ps3 boards. Sony fans in general are just toxic and most of the traffic on this site roams the ps4 boards so its concentrated there.


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Sad_Face posted...

You can twist GamerGate however you want. But remember that Gamer Gate doesn't have blood on their hands, SJW drove a developer to suicide thanks to getting manipulated and whipped into shaming action by the indie darling sociopath and liar, Zoe Quinn.

Youre a qanoner and pizzagate believer so no wonder you believe the gamergate lies. Shut the actual goddamn fuck up

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Honestly Gamergate was a bellwether for so much of the past 6 years with the alt-right, Trump, the rise of open white supremacy and anti-Semitism, etc

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furb posted...

I do not understand why a group that feels marginalized would not want to natural allies to other marginlized groups. Not that I personally think gamers are oppressed, but if you thought you were, why wouldnt you want your hobby to be a refuge for others in a similair boat?

If you invite someone into a club and they complain about everything in regards to the club and want it to change, that's probably why.

Garioshi posted...

I do find it funny that the left somehow lost gamers on the whole to the right when gamers are more directly impacted by the scummy and unethical practices that result from unfettered capitalism (i direct you towards the entire mobile gaming market) than almost any other "hobby" group. Even gamers who have fallen for alt-right claptrap are still almost always (economically) left-wing when it comes to video game, if nothing else.

whenever alt right types are confronted with the reality that their medium is incredibly anti-consumer as a whole largely because of capitalism, they tend to just jump to blaming the jews

these people are not very intelligent

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RustyFerret posted...

If you invite someone into a club and they complain about everything in regards to the club and want it to change, that's probably why.

Is vidya games a club?

I never paid dues or anything or got an invite to the secret clubhouse. Guess I am not in the clique!

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Sad_Face posted...

You can twist GamerGate however you want. But remember that Gamer Gate doesn't have blood on their hands, SJW drove a developer to suicide thanks to getting manipulated and whipped into shaming action by Zoe Quinn.

That developer was Alec Holowka, programmer and musician for Night in the Woods. The tweet, to my recollection, didn't name names - but it did discuss a relationship in which Zoe felt that she was being pretty heavily abused/gaslit by her partner, and was at one of the lowest points of her life. People connected the dots, using the time period to work out that she was talking about Alec. And then he killed himself when a backlash emerged.

Alec Holowka was a difficult person, with a fellow developer describing him as "the driving force behind the worst years of my life" in his obituary to him. When discussing his death, his sister said that he had a lot of demons, and while he had been working on them and going to therapy, there were periods of his life where Alec's influence didn't have a positive effect on those around him. Of course his death was a loss, and she loved him, but in his passing she acknowledged that he had his struggles in life.

Alec's sister also specifically said "don't use my brother's death to go and harass people", which literally no-one fucking heeded, and they decided to call Zoe Quinn a murderer. No nuance, no wider discussion of Alec as a person or the effect his behavior had on the people around him - her tweet drove a man to suicide, so she's a murderer.

But all this information was available in the wake of Alec's death. His sister denied none of it, and she didn't hold Zoe Quinn accountable for her brother's death. I think there's truth to Zoe's account, even today. The timing and aftermath of it is unfortunate, but I don't think it was posted out of malice either, with intent to harm.

Because there's a wider context to consider here. Zoe Quinn was likely in a toxic relationship with Alec Holowka - no-one denies this. When she made her tweets, I doubt she was in contact with Alec, but by virtue of her not including his name she wasn't intending to target and harass him - just discuss an unhealthy relationship. And I doubt anyone could have seen that series of events leading to Alec committing suicide. There was no intent to harass or harm, and Alec's family bore her no ill will in their official statement, even going as far as to say "don't use my brother's death to harass anyone".

And it's this nuance that those Gamergate shits have always sorely lacked, which is how an unsubstantiated claim of "my indie developer girlfriend fucked a reviewer to get a good score for her game" led to people taking pictures outside of her house and threatening to rape her if she liked sex so much. It's how people jumped straight to "Zoe Quinn wanted Alec Holowka to suffer, and now he's dead, so the heinous, disingenuous bitch murdered him".

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MrMallard posted...
Thank you for taking the time on something I tend to get too angry to be nuanced about. Let's just say my last post originally had some far more choice words before I chopped it to that one line.

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furb posted...

Is vidya games a club?

I never paid dues or anything or got an invite to the secret clubhouse. Guess I am not in the clique!

Call them whatever you want.

Whenever an outside person tells a hobbyist there hobby needs to change to accommodate them, people react in different ways depending on the demands.

ASithLord7 posted...

Youre a qanoner and pizzagate believer so no wonder you believe the gamergate lies. Shut the actual goddamn f*** up

Lies? Dude, this site discussed the 5 Guys fiasco the moment it came up and we were all wondering the hell we had to listen to some dude vent about some chick cheating on him, only to find out the heat was not on Quinn but the people she slept with to get attention and visibility for her "game". And the next day we even got a bunch of articles from so many gaming news outlets all with the varying headline of "Gamers are dead" . This stuff is well documented and you all think these are all lies? Come on now.

And realize the same detective skills for Pizzagate (which you don't need that much for since the emails are all out in the open) are the same detective skills that were used to make me more money than I ever had in my life and put me on track to become a millionaire. Get into investing, or get into something where you have something of real value you absolutely don't want to lose, where information can be monetized, and you'll start scrutinizing the words of authorities. I've witnessed top authorities and representatives in the cryptoworld downplay or straight up lie about a significance of a project. As soon as money is involved, people are not your friends and they protect their own.

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Ah yes, the "I make a lot of money, therefore I'm right" defense.

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cymbaline posted...

When Nintendo celebrated Pride the Switch board turned into /pol/ too.

When? Maybe a topic but not the whole board.

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MrMallard posted...

But all this information was available in the wake of Alec's death. His sister denied none of it, and she didn't hold Zoe Quinn accountable for her brother's death. I think there's truth to Zoe's account, even today. The timing and aftermath of it is unfortunate, but I don't think it was posted out of malice either, with intent to harm.

Her accusation letter had a billion and 2 holes in her story exposed by her very own twitter line.

https://thepostmillennial.com/exclusive-zoe-quinns-allegations-are-falling-apart/

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Imagine still thinking about Zoe Quinn or Anita Sarkeesian

rent-free

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I'm particularly passionate about the whole deal with Alec Holowka because I had just finished Night in the Woods a couple months before his suicide. I liked Night in the Woods a lot, Alec's music was particularly fantastic and his programming was so integral to the Night in the Woods experience that any future NitW projects were cancelled by the IP holders. He was truly talented.

I read his sister's statement before I learned about the greater context of what had happened. I read his co-worker's statement discussing how Alec's behavior had made his life really hard. And I saw the reaction to his death mired in the same stupid Gamergate horseshit of "let's harass Zoe Quinn for doing the wrong thing", with none of those people even knowing Alec's name or bringing up his eulogy or anything.

They saw a name they recognised as an enemy, they saw that accusations were levelled and someone died, and they decided that this was a deliberate act of malice on her part and that she should be branded a liar and a murderer for it. That's it.

They didn't care that someone died, they didn't care enough to even know his name. They only cared about blaming someone for it.

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Delirious_Beard posted...

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i feel personally attacked by this

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AmericaTheBrave posted...

I can't believe our very own NeonOctopus is contributing to its cancer. What the hell dude

What's hard to believe about that? He's totally the type.

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AmericaTheBrave posted...

I can't believe our very own @NeonOctopus is contributing to its cancer. What the hell dude

Why. The majority of what he posts is cancer anyway

MrMallard posted...

"What is Neil Druckmann's goal in appealing to Anita Sarkeesian?"

I tell you what, Gamergate really did send some people spiralling off the deep end.

You do know that Neil Druckman did say that Anita Sarkessian changed things in his games right?

Connecting them isn't exactly bizarre.

Phantom_Nook posted...

this is all over a lesbian couple in their precious video game? or are they whining about something else now?

Why is this the thing now?

Plenty of left leaning people are mad about the leaks too, because the game certainly doesn't treat lesbians well.

Hairistotle posted...

Yo. My man.

Anyone who ever takes side with what the shit you or Axiom say is a giant red flag.

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NinjaBreakfast posted...

Wowzers

Anyone attempting to suggest that the white supremacy movement exists solely as a reaction to cultural Marxism or the SJW movement has either a very tenuous grip on history and reality, or is a compulsive liar.

It would be offensive if it werent so absurd.


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NinjaBreakfast posted...

Wowzers

I hate that I recognize that user.

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