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GavsEvans123
05/04/20 10:34:40 AM
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I was disappointed that Holdo was incompetent despite having a reputation in-universe as a military genius. I honestly thought that the film was building up to a reveal that she was an Imperial spy who had infiltrated the Rebellion to sabotage it from the inside. That way, her sacrifice at the end could have served as a redemption for her betraying the Rebellion.
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COVxy
05/04/20 10:42:22 AM
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DarkRoast posted...
My biggest problem with Holdo is that we're apparently supposed to believe that staying silent while everyone around you is getting killed is apparently good leadership skills.

Frankly, in the same situation, I would've done the same thing as Poe, Rose and Finn.

I mean, it was deliberately suggested that there might be a spy on board, and it turns out that a secret escape location is the exact type of information that you don't want a spy to have. Idk how so many people missed this very simple plot point.

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DarkRoast
05/04/20 10:46:10 AM
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COVxy posted...
I mean, it was deliberately suggested that there might be a spy on board, and it turns out that a secret escape location is the exact type of information that you don't want a spy to have. Idk how so many people missed this very simple plot point.

Considering everyone on board wanted to, and some even did, mutiny by the end, I'd say it was still a bad idea.


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DarkRoast
05/04/20 10:46:54 AM
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GavsEvans123 posted...
I was disappointed that Holdo was incompetent despite having a reputation in-universe as a military genius. I honestly thought that the film was building up to a reveal that she was an Imperial spy who had infiltrated the Rebellion to sabotage it from the inside. That way, her sacrifice at the end could have served as a redemption for her betraying the Rebellion.

For most of the movie I was legitimately wondering if she was a saboteur.

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NinjaBreakfast
05/04/20 10:48:20 AM
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at least we can all agree that laura dern is a treasure and one of the best actors ever

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ChuckSDeuces
05/04/20 10:48:35 AM
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I feel bad for Laura Dern

They did her and Rose actress dirty

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COVxy
05/04/20 10:49:31 AM
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DarkRoast posted...
Considering everyone on board wanted to, and some even did, mutiny by the end, I'd say it was still a bad idea.

This reasoning doesn't make much sense...

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DevsBro
05/04/20 10:55:56 AM
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DarkRoast posted...
For most of the movie I was legitimately wondering if she was a saboteur.
Me too

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AvantgardeAClue
05/04/20 10:57:12 AM
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Poe did nothing wrong and everyone in the TLJ keeps on acting like he did save Leia

This fucking movie man

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DevsBro
05/04/20 11:07:33 AM
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AvantgardeAClue posted...
the TLJ
The The Last Jedi

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Trelve
05/04/20 11:44:41 AM
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Most of the high ranking members of the Resistance were just killed or incapacitated in the attack by Kylo Ren. Poe is the second highest ranking member on the ship now. There is no reason not to tell him the plan.
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lilORANG
05/04/20 11:54:19 AM
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Trelve posted...
Most of the high ranking members of the Resistance were just killed or incapacitated in the attack by Kylo Ren. Poe is the second highest ranking member on the ship now. There is no reason not to tell him the plan.

But then we wouldn't have fake tension, and Rian would have to come up with something that was actually compelling.
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DevsBro
05/04/20 12:04:24 PM
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She knew they would try to stop her.

Still doesn't explain why she didn't at least throw out some vague "I have a plan" line like in everything else where they want the plan to be a surprise to the viewer.

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DarkRoast
05/04/20 12:08:00 PM
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Trelve posted...
Most of the high ranking members of the Resistance were just killed or incapacitated in the attack by Kylo Ren. Poe is the second highest ranking member on the ship now. There is no reason not to tell him the plan.

And it's not like Poe showed any signs at all of being anything other than somewhat brash and impulsive. Certainly not a spy.

Holding him out to dry like that sent exactly the wrong message at exactly the wrong time.

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MC_BatCommander
05/04/20 12:08:23 PM
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Her character is really poorly written.

You spend an entire film with her and don't relate to her in any way, she does nothing to make you like her, so when the end comes around and she sacrifices herself, it's really hard to give a shit. I felt relief she wouldn't be in the next film more than anything.

It's a shame to see Laura Dern done so dirty, then again the ST did a lot of actors dirty.

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DarkRoast
05/04/20 12:08:40 PM
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lilORANG posted...
But then we wouldn't have fake tension, and Rian would have to come up with something that was actually compelling.

Still better than "here's everything you want, exactly like you wanted it" Rise of Skywalker

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Proto_Spark
05/04/20 12:14:26 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
Reminder: Her bad decisions would have single handily killed the entire Resistance if Rey hadnt showed up. You can make the argument that Holdos bullshit got Luke killed too.

Her plan was good, and the First Order would have just thought they beat the Resistance and ****ed off allowing everyone to regroup if Poe didnt try to go around it and send Finn/Rose off on a silly Star Wars mission that ended up ruining the entire plan.

If you want to use that logic, Poe killed Luke because hes the one who wouldnt just listen to his superior and trust she had a plan, so he could go guns blazing and get to be a hero.

Also, Holdo didnt tell Poe her plan of sacrificing all of their guns so the people could fight another day, because at the beginning of the movie, Poe literally admits that he thinks sacrificing the people is a worthwhile move to get a win, theres no way he wouldve agreed with that plan if it was pitched at the beginning of the movie.

Its like you guys didnt even watch the movie.
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lilORANG
05/04/20 12:15:12 PM
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DarkRoast posted...


Still better than "here's everything you want, exactly like you wanted it" Rise of Skywalker


I don't think anybody wanted ROS. What are you talking about?
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The Trent
05/04/20 12:16:49 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
"here's everything you want, exactly like you wanted it" Rise of Skywalker

yes it gave us everything we wanted.
exactly like we wanted it.

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LovingPacifist
05/04/20 12:18:13 PM
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CyricZ posted...
And yet the Mandalorian was made.
Gee, I wonder if the Mandalorian being successful might be since he's just Boba Fett that doesn't get chumped.

Such a stupid ****ing post.

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Proto_Spark
05/04/20 12:18:22 PM
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lilORANG posted...
I don't think anybody wanted ROS. What are you talking about?

Yeah ROS was more you didnt like TFA because of the nostalgia, you didnt like TLJ because of a new direction, so were just throwing **** at the wall and seeing what sticks, you better ****ing like it
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DevsBro
05/04/20 12:19:43 PM
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LovingPacifist posted...
Gee, I wonder if the Mandalorian being successful might be since he's just Boba Fett that doesn't get chumped.

Such a stupid ****ing post.
I was actually sold on the show the second I realized he wasn't Boba Fett lol.

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CruelBuffalo
05/04/20 12:21:44 PM
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Rose Tico being replaced to nothing in 3 and then Finn getting some stupid Power Rangers knock off love interest was dumber
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Unknown5uspect
05/04/20 12:26:25 PM
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AvantgardeAClue posted...
Poe did nothing wrong and everyone in the TLJ keeps on acting like he did save Leia
He literally disobeyed orders and got people killed at the beginning of the movie wtf you mean

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DarkRoast
05/04/20 12:29:28 PM
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Unknown5uspect posted...
He literally disobeyed orders and got people killed at the beginning of the movie wtf you mean

You mean like every pilot ever in Star Wars lore

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Trelve
05/04/20 12:30:22 PM
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Unknown5uspect posted...
He literally disobeyed orders and got people killed at the beginning of the movie wtf you mean
He also destroyed the First Order Dreadnought. A fleet killer.
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KiwiTerraRizing
05/04/20 12:30:27 PM
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Yall got strong opinions about dumb shit

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lilORANG
05/04/20 12:30:27 PM
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Unknown5uspect posted...

He literally disobeyed orders and got people killed at the beginning of the movie wtf you mean


Nah, that was the resistance's fault for ever using those dumb ass bombers lol. Those things were never going to get within a parsec of an enemy ship before getting torn apart.
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CruelBuffalo
05/04/20 12:39:14 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
Or the best decision the movie made.

Nah. It was a bad one and poor development.

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DarkRoast
05/04/20 12:41:40 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Nah. It was a bad one and poor development.

abrams: I didnt make this toy so I dont want to play with it

Watching Johnson and Abrams fight through cinema has been fascinating

Johnson: "Force Awakens was derivative BS, what if we call a spade a spade"
Abrams: "I know you hated TLJ. So did I. So I'm gonna rub it in hard from the very beginning."


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Zack_Attackv1
05/04/20 5:55:59 PM
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Fuck Rian Johnson and everything he stands for.
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Ving_Rhames
05/04/20 6:32:17 PM
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COVxy posted...
I mean, it was deliberately suggested that there might be a spy on board, and it turns out that a secret escape location is the exact type of information that you don't want a spy to have. Idk how so many people missed this very simple plot point.

Holdo didn't execute her plan on her own lol, or at least not with any semblance of subtletyl. The hypothetical spy could have been one of the many other people on the bridge, or anyone else who was doing the fueling of the Transport ships (if they weren't automatically fueled and somehow fueled in a manner that could actually be descreet). Anyone who went into the Hangar could have seen what was going on, and any one of those people could have been a spy. The only reason Poe didn't realize until it was too late was because of plot contrivance, so that they could have their conflict. She had zero reason to not tell Poe.

Anyway, shes still not as bad as C3P0 or Jar Jar. Least she actually did something.

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Proto_Spark
05/04/20 6:55:29 PM
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Ving_Rhames posted...
Holdo didn't execute her plan on her own lol, or at least not with any semblance of subtletyl. The hypothetical spy could have been one of the many other people on the bridge, or anyone else who was doing the fueling of the Transport ships (if they weren't automatically fueled and somehow fueled in a manner that could actually be descreet). Anyone who went into the Hangar could have seen what was going on, and any one of those people could have been a spy. The only reason Poe didn't realize until it was too late was because of plot contrivance, so that they could have their conflict. She had zero reason to not tell Poe.

Anyway, shes still not as bad as C3P0 or Jar Jar. Least she actually did something.

She didnt tell Poe because at the beginning of the movie Poe decided it was worth it to sacrifice half their fleet to take out one of the First Orders big ships, damn the human cost, which is directly at odds with Holdos plan, to sacrifice their biggest guns to preserve the people and fight another day. Theres no way Poe would have gone along with that plan, until his go on an adventure side quest blew up in his face.
In fact, the only reason Holdos plan doesnt work is because Poe tried to go around her, and sent Finn and Rose to go pick up the Coder who sold them out.
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marc55
05/04/20 7:12:44 PM
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why are people overreacting about the hair

dont remember people hating the other character with weird hair color in star wars rebels

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ASithLord7
05/04/20 7:15:50 PM
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marc55 posted...
why are people overreacting about the hair

dont remember people hating the other character with weird hair color in star wars rebels
Because far-right types have decided that hair that isn't a natural color is a sign of SJW degeneracy, and want their women to all look like antebellum Southern ladies.

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AvantgardeAClue
05/05/20 12:27:37 PM
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Trelve posted...
Most of the high ranking members of the Resistance were just killed or incapacitated in the attack by Kylo Ren. Poe is the second highest ranking member on the ship now. There is no reason not to tell him the plan.

Bingo

I bet the majority of the people filming knew this too but couldn't go against Rian's vision lol

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